willieH: Hi Molly...
CHRIST's OBEDIENCE was ESTABLISHED in His life and Deeds as His DEEDS were ...ALWAYS... found COINCIDING with GOD's WILL, not His own will! How can you NOT see this?
The only way the WORD establishes FREEDOM in us, is when WE do the same as did the Savior, by doing the WILL of YHVH which Commands OBEDIENCE, ...NOT, our own, which CHOOSES DISOBEDIENCE...
The SAVIOR did NOTHING but the WILL of YHVH... He NEVER did "his own"...
You are admitting here Jesus could have done his own will. That's free choice. That's free will.
How many times do you need to hear the same things, Molly?
CHOICE is NOT FREE just because it is CHOICE
You call it this because you NEED it to be FREE, in order to keep a measure of CONTROL of what you "do"... Instead of submitting to the many places which note that GOD directs us and our steps... (Pro 20:24 / Jer 10:23 / Rom 9:19 / Pro 16:9)
...whoa, ..."Big deal":
... Ants "choose"
... fleas "choose"
... Computers "choose"
... fish "choose"
... oh yeah, ...and, ...Men "choose"
"CHOICE" does not indicate FREEDOM... it indicates that OPTIONS available, are observed and then one or another of them, is embraced...
If our "choice" was FREE WILL, then WHY do we need the WORD
of GOD to MAKE us FREE Molly? If we were already FREE in the first place?
If we and our "will" is so ..."FREE"... why can't we "FREELY choose" to come to GOD Molly? (John 6:44
- no man CAN
come to CHRIST
except GOD drag him to Him)
And if our "WILL" is so liberatingly, ..."FREE", then WHY
must we DO God's WILL?
And WHY will ALL do GOD's
WILL ...FOREVER? Well?
Otherwise, the word 'obedience' is meaningless.
Obedience is another word for compliance Molly... that is all it is... When MEN do not COMPLY with the Command of GOD, they are DISOBEDIENT to it...
And if men are so FREE... why does GOD command us to do what HE says? Could it be that we are NOT FREE Molly?
Why is our (free according to you) NATURAL STATE which "chooses with its "free will", referred to as DESPARATELY WICKED? How can "FREE" people be stated to be IN CAPTIVITY?
Your fingers DO as your HEAD decides, does this make your fingers "ROBOTS"?
Yes my fingers are the robots of my mind. And the day that they are not I will be paralyzed.or have Parkinson's or some dread disease.
Yeah, ...I figured you would say something like this... Hey everybody, Molly's fingers are ROBOTS... Btw, Molly... what were they before "ROBOTS" were invented?
You say in your OWN WORDS, ...that your fingers (parts of your body) are nothing but "Robots" of YOUR MIND, right?
In this, you believe your fingers don't have a "FREE WILL" doya Molly, and further admit that they are CONTROLLED by YOU to do YOUR WILL, ...right?
Its OKAY for YOU to CONTROL them (parts of your body), but its NOT okay for GOD to CONTROL us (parts of His body)?
Isn't this a DOUBLE STANDARD Molly? Its okay to CONTROL YOUR BODY and your body members are ROBOTS of your mind... but its NOT OKAY for GOD to do the same?
Also... Here's a NEWS FLASH!!...
EVERYONE shall become ROBOTS in ETERNITY, because only the WILL of GOD is done in the HEAVENLY PLACES... which is already at the very least, ...populated by "ANGEL ROBOTS" and a "SON Robot" (and probably innumerable other varieties of "Heavenly ROBOTS")...
Soon to be joined by the innumerable Human Race of "ROBOTS" which shall be REQUIRED to do the WILL of GOD (and not their "own - free will"
God's BODY is no different... CHRIST is the HEAD... and the HEAD decides the things which are done by His BODY... within HIS PURPOSE for them...
Christ is a hologram, every part contains the whole picture. I am not to be the finger of a mythical body, although that is one way to look at it in metaphor. I am to be the whole thing, the complete package--just men made perfect.
is a HOLOGRAM
? Are you serious? Naw... you can't be serious... or can you?
Now you profess to follow the HOLOGRAM
of GOD eh?
.We are NOT to be "credited" for doing anything WW... It is CHRIST which garners ALL "credit"...
It is not the fault of Christ when I mess up like Peter, but when I succeed, yes, he will get all the credit.
He gets the CREDIT for EVERYTHING sister M...
No, your "mess up"
is not His "fault" ...it is HIS PURPOSE
, Molly... (1)
It is ORDAINED by Him
that you "mess up"
- ALL things - including your "mess up"
, are BY
HIM, and FOR
He concluded ALL in UNBELIEF - Rom 11:32
(including you, and your many "mess ups"
Whatsoever is NOT
of FAITH is SIN - Rom 14:23
- which means He concluded
you a SINNER... because He concluded YOU in UNBELIEF... which is why you "mess up"
ALL have SINNED and come short of the GLORY of GOD... which means you were ALREADY a SINNER , (a "messer upper"
) even before you were born, for these WORDS
though ETERNAL, were penned some 2000 years ago... Rom 3:23
So YES Molly... your "mess up"
is INTENDED by Him... that you might find HUMILITY before Him, even though your "mess up"
was even chosen by you, ...He decided before you were born, that you would "mess up"
... so that you could come humbly before Him and admit that it was RIGHT that He chose
for you to choose
to "mess up"
Just teasin' you a little Molly...
We all are INTENDED to be "mess ups"
... but GOD LOVES
all His little "mess ups"
Don't you just LOVE