willieH: Hi Scott...
Hope you are doing well bro,
There is a time and place for everything
In this age and the ages that proceeded this age man has a free will to choose life or death.
God's kingdom has not yet been established in the EARTH for Jesus taught us to pray thy kingdom come thy WILL be done on EARTH as it is in heaven.
A very strong indication that Gods WILL is not YET being done in the EARTH.
What of Eph 1:11 Scott?
Eph 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being PREDESTINED, ...according TO the PURPOSE of Him that WORKETH ALL THINGS ...after the COUNSEL of HIS OWN WILL...
Seems to me... "ALL THINGS" is THAT which is found between the END and the BEGINNING...
Hi Willie, the whole of Eph.1 is speaking of Christ and being predestined in Christ and God works ALL THINGS according to His counsel IN CHRIST.
Yes... I agree, because ALL THINGS are in the RECONCILIATION process... which includes the fact they became in a state or condition
The Statement of Eph 1:11
is: "who WORKETH ALL THINGS, according to the counsel of HIS OWN WILL..."
Trying to word this statement so as to enable WILL of MAN to be something that GOD, had to FIX because MAN caused the problem... IS
the problem, Scott...
GOD created THE KNOWLEDGE
for MAN to gain... and that KNOWLEDGE contained BOTH entities which we observe to be GOOD and EVIL... these "two" are ONE KNOWLEDGE bro...
God does not work all thing according to His counsel in ADAM, for God says to man Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Man is not and never has been a part of the counsel of God, Gods counsel has always been in CHRIST and with CHRIST before the foundation of the world.First
... GOD's addressing Job with the above, was the establishement that SIN ...ERECTS a barrier which eliminates the SINNER to have the VISION of ETERNITY... If one brings up that some Prophets of GOD have had Heavenly vision, only notes that NOTHING is IMPOSSIBLE with GOD... And ONLY when it is conduscive concerning the PURPOSE of GOD, do men gain a vision of HOLINESS... and even then... it was SO, because IT IS WRITTEN that it was SO, in the WORD
One which is IMPERFECT cannot behold the PERFECT without the DECLARATION of GOD noting it to be so... neither can he emulate it... GOD also noted to JOB that ALL
(not just "some) of the SONS of GOD were present at CREATION... and IN THIS, displayed that JOB had no RECALL of such an event, even though JOB was in fact, a SON of GOD.
This is SO, because it is WRITTEN that IT IS SO... (that Job could not produce a recollection of the creation)Second
... Part of the "COUNSEL of GOD's WILL" brother S... is that CHRIST
from the foundation of the world
, because it was a necessity to RECONCILE Adam, and his descendents... which fell into transgression, also a part of the COUNSEL of the WILL of YHVH
In other words, both the SACRIFICE of CHRIST
due to the SIN of ADAM, were BOTH advisements originating in the WILL of YHVH
, and BOTH were DECLARED before a "WORLD" even existed... NEITHER
were "generated" by MAN and his misuse of assumed and mythical "free will"...
You and I did not "fall into sin", because we invented the idea, or even because it was an option that we might enact of OUR descretion or decision... we "fell into sin" because it is WRITTEN that we DO SO... (Rom 3:23 / Ps 14:3)
It was DECLARED in ETERNITY, that CHRIST
die to redeem MAN from SIN, ...BEFORE... man "sinned" in the midst of TIME... Which notes that man was PREDESTINED to sin BY GOD... NOT that he "chose" it to be so aside from GOD within his erroneously supposed, "free will"...
GOD gave ADAM the ability to TRANSGRESS (which is the adversity of the flesh, which prompts SIN - James 1:14
)... which power was given AFTER the DECLARATION of End from Beginning was made... meaning that between the END and the BEGINNING, ...(1) ADAM would transgress, and pass that ability to each of his descendents... because
was slain from the FOUNDATION of the World (in ETERNITY)... which also would find manifestation within TIME...
Gods WORKETH ALL THINGS after the COUNSEL of HIS OWN WILL IN CHRIST, NOT IN ADAM. Predestination is in CHRIST, NOT in ADAM, and as long as people continue to look at Gods counsel through ADAM their eyes are not upon CHRIST, who is the predestination, the plan, the truth, the life, the resurrection yea the ALL THINGS of Gods COUNSEL.
I completely agree... ALL THINGS... including ALL GOOD and ALL EVIL... are noted parameters in the AGENDA, which proceeded from the WILL of GOD IN CHRIST
(His WORD) ...Which "WORD
" always COMES to PASS (in time) as noted in ETERNITY...
For there would be no SIN, nor would creation necessitate a SAVIOR slain from its foundation, if it was NOT designated to be so, emerging from the CREATOR as HIS DECLARATION...