Hi Gilbert,
IIRC you wrote in an other thread you don't believe in UR.
If you do believe in UR then consider this message not written.
Neither I know if you believe in annihilism or ET. I assume the last because thats by far the largest group.
Would anyone boast of having physician who both creates disease as well as healing them?
Old English translations of around 12th century translate "Jesus is Healer" instead of "Jesus is Saviour"
Does a healer ever give up trying to help the sick? I think for human healers the answer is only if medical science has run out of possible cures. So the doctors give it their best shot 'till the very end.
But what about the divine Healer Jesus that isn't hindered by lack of progress in medical science?
His limitless bag of medical tricks sure will have a cure for every illness (read type of sin)
Do you think this Healer that's not only extremly skilled but also extremely loving will ever give up on His patient? Or even more extreme does the opposite of 'your' human healer that makes sick and then starts curing.
If Jesus casts people in Hell after a failed healing attempt He makes them even more sick as they where.
Just because, and I think you can agree with that, the classic ET hell is worse than any illness I can imagine.
And the extreme pains in hell are a illness in a certain way.
Hi! 'WhiteWings'
(I really like the name yuh got fer yerself).
Let me first clear up sumthin' 'bout whether I believe in UR 'er not.
There are alot of things that I read and hear from any variety of Christians these days which I don't quite agree with; including many of the ideas behind Universal Reconciliation.
I am not the 'pope' (so to speak) and so I don't have any illusions about possessing the absolute truth about all things; in other words: my current thinking concerning UR could very well be incorrect.
But, for that matter, those who agree with UR here can't claim to be the 'pope' either, right?
So, I try my best to be considerate of those in here who may have views which might differ from my own; and, conversely, I anticipate the same from them.
Strangely enough, so many of my Christian friends over the years have latched themselves on to the thoughts behind UR. There was a time when I was deeply irritated by this; if not offended. But over the years I have 'mellowed out' about this turn of events; quietly resigning to the fact that I can only walk with the light that I have.
What I don't need nor can I tolerate is when someone rudely decides to throw a flashlight down my throat in the interest of revealing their particular brand of teaching or enlightenment to me.
Other than the conversations concerning UR in here, I find myself heartily agreeing and being blessed with the other other discussions and I am very happy about that. I am content to participate with the joy that is common among us as opposed to trying to steal the joy of another simply because I may not agree with them about something.
Most people in here readily testify about how relieved they are to have extricated themselves from the howling teachings of Eternal Torment. On that score, I VERY much am in agreement with them. The general concepts revolving around so-called 'hell and damnation' are absolute falsehoods. In fact, the entire scheme behind the ideas of eternal torment/punishment are ludicrous ... a complete fraud.
So, you see? I evidently have a lot in common with the UR's after all.
I too was once acquainted with the 'Gospel of Fear and Torment'; and, as shameful as it is to admit, I too participated in 'Gospel of Fire Insurance' and was telling everyone I knew that they were all going to hell. In fact, I spent the first half of my Christian life preaching the 'Gospel of the Pyromaniac' and unwittingly introduced more people to the knowledge of hell than to Jesus, (so to speak). So. suffice to say: I do have an inkling what people are happily testifying to in here. After all, I myself sadly awakened many to the odor of sulphur and brimstone in times past which to this very day must still haunt them mercilessly.
Now, I don't want to be flooding this Forum with a long read, so I will end things about it here. But I would be happy to share with you about how I extricated myself from the frenzy of these ET'rs and what have you without even knowing anything about UR an' stuff. Jus' ask and I will gladly answer.
Now about your additional comments:
Old English translations of around 12th century translate "Jesus is Healer" instead of "Jesus is Saviour"[/color]
This is a wonderful knowing, ay? Jesus the HEALER. Wonderful!
One day a thought came to me saying: "By my love, I forgive. By my grace I forget!". This is how our Jesus heals us. He speaks to our wounds and injuries; He makes our desolate lands blossom again.
If Jesus casts people in Hell after a failed healing attempt He makes them even more sick as they where. Just because, and I think you can agree with that, the classic ET hell is worse than any illness I can imagine. And the extreme pains in hell are a illness in a certain way.You will be happy to know that I completely disown the idea that Jesus (or God) somehow casts people into Hell. Such an idea is absolutely false.
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Who is IIRC by the way?
