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« on: July 02, 2008, 07:04:02 PM »
I know this is a little off topic, but when you said this Craig....
 
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Heylel actually means, "Mourning", it literally means to 'Grieve the end of the Day', which by Hebrew tradition, the day begins in evening and ends in day. The Morning Star was an announcement that the day is almost over. This helps people understand why Paul called Jesus the Morning Star in the letter to Timothy, and that everything ends in the Light of Day. Jesus is also quoted by John in Revelation as being the Morning Star, the star which is signifies both the Beginning and End (the Morning Star is also the Dawn Star, they are the same Star).

What does the Hebrew tradition believe about the time from sunrise to sunset?   What do they call that?

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Maybe just believing in Jesus Christ for salvation  is the only belief that'll really count in the end.

You know, I don't know that any belief 'counts' in the end.  It counts right now.  I am set free now because I know my heavenly Father isn't a great Hitler.  It counts now because I can share and help set others free.  The same goes for the gospel.  If I set back and don't share Jesus, sure people will end up alright, but I have the opportunity to show them life right now. 

Now as far as the details of satan, it helps me to know that he isn't an omnipotent, omnipresent being with the duties of causing misary, even though it isn't forever.  I believe he is a force within us all, and I wouldn't admit that to everyone because I know it would be a stumbling block. It is humbling to think that the amount of evil we need to attribute to an external monster is resident within.  But it doesn't bother me if people need to put all evil on one central figure.  Evil is evil and it is an enemy no matter the source.

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« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2008, 08:42:22 PM »
What does the Hebrew tradition believe about the time from sunrise to sunset?   What do they call that?

The day starts with an evening, and ends in the day.

Genesis 1:6,8,13,19,23,31
God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. God called the expanse "sky." And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day. And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day. And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day. And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day. God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.

When do the days end? They end in morning.

Sorry, I misunderstood your question, let me go find out for you....

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« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2008, 09:21:22 PM »
The Jewish day begins in the evening and ends the next evening.  That's why Jesus had to be taken off the cross before the sabbath began on Friday evening.  That's why no one visited his tomb until daylight on Sunday--because of the sabbath which didn't end until the evening of the next day (saturday).  So instead of going out saturday night, they went out the next morning (sunday).
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« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2008, 10:13:11 PM »
Molly, that is not what Sarah asked.  :happy3:

I am getting answers Sarah, but I have to cross examine them properly.  :mblush:

In the meantime, perhaps it is easier to understand that just as our day is morning to morning, with evening representing the end of the day, the Hebrew day is from evening to evening, with the morning representing the end of the day.
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« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2008, 10:33:24 PM »
willieH: Hi Molly... :hithere:

In my observance of your knowledge of Old Testament things Molly, I am quite  surprised you are unawares of the Feast "Sabbaths"...  :mshock:  Especially concerning the death and resurrection of CHRIST at the PASSOVER...  :mshock:

Not intending to sidetrack... but,

This is the ORTHODOX observation of the Crucifixtion/Resurrection that you have noted below, and it states many inconsistent things which are CONTRARY to JESUS' own statements of His death and resurrection... I'll name a few below...

The Jewish day begins in the evening and ends the next evening.  That's why Jesus had to be taken off the cross before the sabbath began on Friday evening.  That's why no one visited his tomb until daylight on Sunday--because of the sabbath which didn't end until the evening of the next day (saturday).  So instead of going out saturday night, they went out the next morning (sunday).

This whole post is yet another ORTHODOX misunderstanding... JESUS did NOT die on FRIDAY... otherwise several Scriptures are compromised...

I am able to give a complete study on this observation, but for brevity's sake I'll give just a few facts from the total observation, enough to show the error I observe, in the above noted belief... (anyone who wishes the complete study, please PM me, and I'll provide it to you)

ALL feast days BEGIN and END with a SABBATH... ("high day" John 19:31 / holy convocation - Ex 12:16 / Lev 23:7)... they are treated and observed EXACTLY as is the WEEKLY SABBATH...  There was/is a SABBATH on the first day of the Feast and one on the Last day of the feast.

JESUS actually died just before sunset "Wednesday evening" just as the PASSOVER SABBATH was coming on (which is the beginning of Thursday - "Jewish days")...  He rose just before the SUNSET on the Weekly Sabbath... instituting ETERNAL REST...and BECOMING the SABBATH (rest) for ALL MEN, forever...

The SIGN (Matt 12:39-40) that JESUS stated that would indicate and PROVE Him as Messiah, was the prophecy of JONAH... Jonah 1:17, which stated that Jonah was IN the belly of the "whale"... 3 DAYS and 3 NIGHTS

This is how His prophecy of His "grave time" was done (I'll use our current "day" designations):

Wednesday -- night = one night
Thursday -- day = one day
Thursday -- night = two nights
Friday -- day = two days
Friday -- night = three nights
Saturday -- day = three days... He rose to life just before sunset, exactly 3 days and 3 nights later, ...and the tomb was empty at that moment...

Sunday morning, they (the 2 Mary's) arrived to find an empty tomb which had been emptied the "day" before...  It did not matter if they arrived on Sunday or  Monday or Tuesday or Wednesday, ...whenever, ...they STILL would've found the tomb EMPTY.

The Scripture states absolutely NOTHING of His resurrection occuring ON SUNDAY (1st DAY of the week)... it only notes the TOMB was EMPTY upon their arrival on the 1st day of the week...  :dontknow:

CHRIST said: 

(1) AFTER 3 days, I will rise again... (Matt 27:63) and...

(2)  Three DAYS, ...and... Three NIGHTS shall the Son of man be in the Heart of the Earth... (Matt 12:40) 

It is not even possible to name even PARTS of 3 Days and 3 Nights from Friday evening to Sunday morning!  :wacko2:

Friday -- Sunday  crucifixtion/resurrection is just one more shortcoming of the Orthodox Babylon tradition.

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« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2008, 11:06:47 PM »
I was going to say something about that WillieH, good stuff.  :thumbsup:

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« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2008, 11:38:34 PM »
Matthew 28

1After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb.

 2There was a violent earthquake, for an angel of the Lord came down from heaven and, going to the tomb, rolled back the stone and sat on it. 3His appearance was like lightning, and his clothes were white as snow.





Mark 15

42It was Preparation Day (that is, the day before the Sabbath). So as evening approached, 43Joseph of Arimathea, a prominent member of the Council, who was himself waiting for the kingdom of God, went boldly to Pilate and asked for Jesus' body.



Mark 16

1When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices so that they might go to anoint Jesus' body. 2Very early on the first day of the week, just after sunrise, they were on their way to the tomb 3and they asked each other, "Who will roll the stone away from the entrance of the tomb?"

 4But when they looked up, they saw that the stone, which was very large, had been rolled away. 5As they entered the tomb, they saw a young man dressed in a white robe sitting on the right side, and they were alarmed.



Luke 23

 

50Now there was a man named Joseph, a member of the Council, a good and upright man, 51who had not consented to their decision and action. He came from the Judean town of Arimathea and he was waiting for the kingdom of God. 52Going to Pilate, he asked for Jesus' body. 53Then he took it down, wrapped it in linen cloth and placed it in a tomb cut in the rock, one in which no one had yet been laid. 54It was Preparation Day, and the Sabbath was about to begin.

55The women who had come with Jesus from Galilee followed Joseph and saw the tomb and how his body was laid in it. 56Then they went home and prepared spices and perfumes. But they rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment.



Luke 24


1On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb. 2They found the stone rolled away from the tomb, 3but when they entered, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus. 4While they were wondering about this, suddenly two men in clothes that gleamed like lightning stood beside them.






John 19:31
Now it was the day of Preparation, and the next day was to be a special Sabbath. Because the Jews did not want the bodies left on the crosses during the Sabbath, they asked Pilate to have the legs broken and the bodies taken down.
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« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2008, 11:57:09 PM »
willieH: Hi Molly...  :cloud9:

These are portions of the scriptural accounts, but they do not display the ORTHODOX observation position as Scripturally accurate, concerning its teaching of a Friday--Sunday Crucifixtion/Resurrection... time frame... :dontknow:

Matthew 28

1After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb.

 2There was a violent earthquake, for an angel of the Lord came down from heaven and, going to the tomb, rolled back the stone and sat on it. 3His appearance was like lightning, and his clothes were white as snow.

Mark 15


42It was Preparation Day (that is, the day before the Sabbath). So as evening approached, 43Joseph of Arimathea, a prominent member of the Council, who was himself waiting for the kingdom of God, went boldly to Pilate and asked for Jesus' body.

Mark 16


1When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices so that they might go to anoint Jesus' body. 2Very early on the first day of the week, just after sunrise, they were on their way to the tomb 3and they asked each other, "Who will roll the stone away from the entrance of the tomb?"

 4But when they looked up, they saw that the stone, which was very large, had been rolled away. 5As they entered the tomb, they saw a young man dressed in a white robe sitting on the right side, and they were alarmed.

Luke 23


50Now there was a man named Joseph, a member of the Council, a good and upright man, 51who had not consented to their decision and action. He came from the Judean town of Arimathea and he was waiting for the kingdom of God. 52Going to Pilate, he asked for Jesus' body. 53Then he took it down, wrapped it in linen cloth and placed it in a tomb cut in the rock, one in which no one had yet been laid. 54It was Preparation Day, and the Sabbath was about to begin.

55The women who had come with Jesus from Galilee followed Joseph and saw the tomb and how his body was laid in it. 56Then they went home and prepared spices and perfumes. But they rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment.

Luke 24


1On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb. 2They found the stone rolled away from the tomb, 3but when they entered, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus. 4While they were wondering about this, suddenly two men in clothes that gleamed like lightning stood beside them.


John 19:31
Now it was the day of Preparation, and the next day was to be a special Sabbath. Because the Jews did not want the bodies left on the crosses during the Sabbath, they asked Pilate to have the legs broken and the bodies taken down.

This translation's notation (whichever one it is  :scratchhead:) of "SPECIAL", means this SABBATH was not the weekly SABBATH, but the "SPECIAL" (high day) PASSOVER Feast SABBATH, which inaugurated this annual celebration...  :bigGrin:

Whenever FEASTS began, ...there were/are 2 SABBATHS within the WEEK of the festival, as well as, the following week, at its conclusion.  :thumbsup:

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« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2008, 11:59:11 PM »
I was going to say something about that WillieH, good stuff.  :thumbsup:

 :gimmefive:   :cloud9:

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« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2008, 02:43:01 AM »
Ah, well, I see it differently, Willie (not that it matters that much).  Nothing to do with Babylon but just my reading of the script.

  We see that Joseph asks for the body on Preparation day, before sunset, which will be the beginning of the sabbath ( a high sabbath because it is Passover week).  And the Pharisees likewise order the legs broken so the bodies won't be hanging on the cross on the high sabbath (are these people nuts, or what?).

So we know that Jesus is taken off the cross that afternoon before the sabbath begins at sunset (which  John calls a high sabbath).

 Luke tells us that Jesus' body was removed before the sabbath was about to begin (sunset that evening) and that the women followed the body to the tomb.  Then they went home to prepare spices for the body but they had to wait until the sabbath was over to take them to the tomb...  they rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment.

As soon as the sabbath is over and it is light they hurry out to the tomb.  We are told this is the first day of the week--sunday.  So--the high sabbath had to have fallen on saturday.  Jesus was crucified on Friday.

Now if you need more days for the three days in the belly of the beast, look to where Jesus hands himself over to satan (Judas) and then they all go to the garden to pray.   This began in a garden and it ended in a garden.  Jesus did the same thing that Adam did, but with a different result.   But the hour of darkness begins before the cross.  It begins thursday at the last supper.



53Every day I was with you in the temple courts, and you did not lay a hand on me. But this is your hour—when darkness reigns."--Luke 22






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« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2008, 03:22:26 AM »
willieH: Hi Molly...  :icon_king:

Let's face is sis... you are just unteachable...

You try to explain away things in each discussion... I have shown the crucifixtion/resurrection with Scripture, and which makes SENSE...

Yet you cling to your church-taught theology... believe what you will...

Ah, well, I see it differently, Willie (not that it matters that much).  Nothing to do with Babylon but just my reading of the script.

  We see that Joseph asks for the body on Preparation day, before sunset, which will be the beginning of the sabbath ( a high sabbath because it is Passover week).  And the Pharisees likewise order the legs broken so the bodies won't be hanging on the cross on the high sabbath (are these people nuts, or what?).

So we know that Jesus is taken off the cross that afternoon before the sabbath begins at sunset (which  John calls a high sabbath).

 Luke tells us that Jesus' body was removed before the sabbath was about to begin (sunset that evening) and that the women followed the body to the tomb.  Then they went home to prepare spices for the body but they had to wait until the sabbath was over to take them to the tomb...  they rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment.

As soon as the sabbath is over and it is light they hurry out to the tomb.  We are told this is the first day of the week--sunday.  So--the high sabbath had to have fallen on saturday.  Jesus was crucified on Friday.

What you are missing is that the PASSOVER Sabbath is an entirely separate Sabbath... and that the PASSOVER Sabbath is the one which was noted as the HIGH DAY...

Nowhere in Scripture is the Weekly Sabbath noted as such... show me where...  :dontknow:

It is an HIGH DAY, because the LOVE of GOD is, in its passion, forgiving SIN by PASSING OVER it...

You are ORTHODOX in your beliefs... stick with it... and you shall reap what you sew...

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Now if you need more days for the three days in the belly of the beast, look to where Jesus hands himself over to satan (Judas) and then they all go to the garden to pray.
   

JESUS handing Himself over is NOT Him within the HEART of the EARTH...

Nor is it AFTER 3 DAYS...

Nor does it equate to 3 Days and 3 Nights...

What it does amount to is you, working very hard to explain away what IS WRITTEN in  Scripture, once again WITHOUT noting Scriptural support... to suit your mythical theologies...

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This began in a garden and it ended in a garden.  Jesus did the same thing that Adam did, but with a different result.   But the hour of darkness begins before the cross.  It begins thursday at the last supper.

53Every day I was with you in the temple courts, and you did not lay a hand on me. But this is your hour—when darkness reigns."--Luke 22

Plainly JESUS noted His time frame in DEATH... and YOU plainly explain it away...

I hereby shake the dust from off my feet... and leave you to your ORTHODOX (scriptureless) theology once again...

For the benefit of others, I shall continue to call those unfounded theologies into the light of what IS WRITTEN... not what "Molly thinks"...

...willieH   :sigh:

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« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2008, 06:26:27 AM »
When you track the idea of the High Sabbath in the Rabbinical literature, then you discover that it's not associated with Saturday on most years.  If I remember right, Jesus would have been arrested Tuesday evening and crucified Wednesday, and He'd of been raised from the dead on Saturday evening after 6pm.  In the "Authorized Version," you've got one comma that you've got to move in order to account for this in one of the passages on the resurrection.  It's not important for me to prove this 'cause few people really struggle with the 3 days and 3 nights thing.  Most people just figure that our celebrations are based upon tradition without really looking into the particulars.  Or they just think "Friday, Saturday, & Sunday" and wink on an absolute 72hrs not having been necessary, from their lack of looking into the specific claims of Jesus.  But the High Sabbath for 32A.D. would have been on Thursday.  When they came on Sunday morning to continue with burial preparations, He'd already been gone for a while and the soldiers had already been paid off to say if asked "the disciples stole the body," and the High Priest was already trying to figure out what to do about it next.  Neither the Romans nor the Jews wanted that case going to court though 'cause they knew something really weird had happened and that nobody but God had that Body!  Roman records were recovered sometime back, and I can't remember if it was Nero or his predecessor that had done a personal inquiry and had concluded that Jesus was a god.



I made my comments above without having read all that had gone on on page 2 of this thread.  I won't dispute with WillieH over 3 to 6 hours or whatever.  He's probably right on when he said the resurrection happened.  I don't keep notes.  Never have and probably never will.  Everything with me is from memory and I seldom even have a Bible handy when I'm online.  It's easy to lack precision that way, I know.  But I'm just yaking rather than teaching, where in an attempt at a more formalized article I'd usually re-check my facts, etc.  Fred Price Sr. who pastors in Los Angeles, California did a teaching on this a few years ago, which may still be available.  They showed it for several years for their "Easter" broadcast, or around that time period if it wasn't specifically their "Easter" broadcast.  I haven't caught the "Easter" broadcast in two or three years now, so I don't know if they've shown it recently.  It's such a popular teaching that it might even be available on their website.  He meticulously went through the Mosaic law passages involved and from the Gospels proving it out from a KJV.  He had to tamper with one comma in the KJV in one of the Gospels, which I'm not sure if that's going to matter to some of the people that'll read this that hold the KJV in such high esteem, since this is one of the boards that anybody can read.


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« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2008, 09:28:33 AM »
Hey, Willie, you can go on warning people against me but it's kind of a waste of time since people aren't exactly falling at my feet saying, Thank you for clearing that up!  LOL  However, I'm just going to push on and tell it like *I see it.*  But, you and I both know--no one's teaching me this stuff at any church.

This whole week from 'palm sunday' to 'easter sunday' is pretty obscure and almost purposely confusing, but one thing we know for sure, Jesus is the Lamb of God, therefore he will actually be sacrificed on preparation day, and Passover will be celebrated that night.  We know that the day he is crucified is, in fact, preparation day according to gospel, and that he is removed from the cross before sunset.

The big question is--what day is Passover?

This is the way it is supposed to happen--



1 The LORD said to Moses and Aaron in Egypt, 2 "This month is to be for you the first month, the first month of your year. 3 Tell the whole community of Israel that on the tenth day of this month each man is to take a lamb  for his family, one for each household. 4 If any household is too small for a whole lamb, they must share one with their nearest neighbor, having taken into account the number of people there are. You are to determine the amount of lamb needed in accordance with what each person will eat. 5 The animals you choose must be year-old males without defect, and you may take them from the sheep or the goats. 6 Take care of them until the fourteenth day of the month, when all the people of the community of Israel must slaughter them at twilight. 7 Then they are to take some of the blood and put it on the sides and tops of the doorframes of the houses where they eat the lambs. 8 That same night they are to eat the meat roasted over the fire, along with bitter herbs, and bread made without yeast. 9 Do not eat the meat raw or cooked in water, but roast it over the fire—head, legs and inner parts. 10 Do not leave any of it till morning; if some is left till morning, you must burn it. 11 This is how you are to eat it: with your cloak tucked into your belt, your sandals on your feet and your staff in your hand. Eat it in haste; it is the LORD's Passover.

--Exodus 12


So we can see that the family choses the lamb and then sacrifices and eats the lamb four days later.

In our case, the  Lamb is chosen on what we call 'palm sunday.'  This means that according to God's law above, the Passover should happen four days later, or, on thursday.

However, John tells us that 'palm sunday' happens 5 days before Passover.  This means that Passover is actually happening on Friday.


John 12
1Six days before the Passover, Jesus arrived at Bethany, where Lazarus lived, whom Jesus had raised from the dead. 2Here a dinner was given in Jesus' honor

12The next day the great crowd that had come for the Feast heard that Jesus was on his way to Jerusalem. 13They took palm branches and went out to meet him, shouting,
   "Hosanna![c]"
   "Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!"
   "Blessed is the King of Israel!" 14Jesus found a young donkey and sat upon it, as it is written,
 15"Do not be afraid, O Daughter of Zion;
      see, your king is coming,
      seated on a donkey's colt."


But, what does  happen on thurday, four days after the triumphal march into Jerusalem, is the last supper, which happens the day before Passover.  This is not the actual Passover feast--however, it is a private 'passover' between Jesus and his disciples.  Jesus hands himself over to satan at this meal (the lamb is killed) and the hour of darkness begins.


John 13
1It was just before the Passover Feast. Jesus knew that the time had come for him to leave this world and go to the Father. Having loved his own who were in the world, he now showed them the full extent of his love.
 2The evening meal was being served, and the devil had already prompted Judas Iscariot, son of Simon, to betray Jesus.



26Jesus answered, "It is the one to whom I will give this piece of bread when I have dipped it in the dish." Then, dipping the piece of bread, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, son of Simon. 27As soon as Judas took the bread, Satan entered into him.



So there you go, Jesus hands himself over to satan, literally, figuratively.  This is the spiritual slaying of the Lamb.  This is the power of darkness.

The next thing he does is offer his body and blood to his disciples in a private and literal eating of the passover Lamb of God.

1 Corinthians 11:24
And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

The actual Passover feast will be the next day, the day that Jesus is crucified,  but this last supper communion is the true Passover of the New Covenant, between Jesus and his followers.

So, for me, I am satisfied--for now-- to start counting (although I do not need a sign) from the moment he hands himself over to satan on Thursday.




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« Reply #13 on: July 03, 2008, 10:48:06 AM »
willieH: Hi Molly... :hithere:

Hey, Willie, you can go on warning people against me but it's kind of a waste of time since people aren't exactly falling at my feet saying, Thank you for clearing that up!  LOL  However, I'm just going to push on and tell it like *I see it.*  But, you and I both know--no one's teaching me this stuff at any church.

Not warning anyone, just showing them the descrepancies in your beliefs...

Oh, but it is more than apparent Molly... for it barks of ORTHODOXY...  I do not wish to discredit your dedication to GOD nor your study efforts... but the result still remains ORTHODOX in its conclusion....

This whole week from 'palm sunday' to 'easter sunday'

Please Molly, note the Scriptures which name "PALM SUNDAY" and "EASTER SUNDAY"... you see to have OMITTED them...  :dontknow:

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The big question is--what day is Passover?


I totally agree... but in using UNBIBLICAL "DAY" designations, such as PALM SUNDAY... your view veers off the narrow BIBLICAL pathway onto the WIDE freeway of RELIGION...

On what Biblical passage do you base John 12:1 as being a SUNDAY? (first day of the week)  :dontknow:

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In our case, the  Lamb is chosen on what we call 'palm sunday.'

Who is "WE" and "OUR", Molly?  You and your church?  :dunno:

Let me make note that:  I am not part of "OUR" above, ...nor do I call ANY DAY, ..."PALM SUNDAY"

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This means that according to God's law above, the Passover should happen four days later, or, on thursday.

No according to YOUR religious and unfounded notation of DAYS, which are absent of Scriptural reference which indicates WHICH day is which... it falls on "thursday"

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However, John tells us that 'palm sunday' happens 5 days before Passover.  This means that Passover is actually happening on Friday.

Again, what verse in John notes PALM SUNDAY?   :dontknow:  As is your continuing habit, you use RELIGIOUS terms within your THEOLOGICAL presentations, and conveniently abstain from quoting supportive Scripture because there IS NONE...

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But, what does  happen on thurday, four days after the triumphal march into Jerusalem, is the last supper, which happens the day before Passover.  This is not the actual Passover feast--however, it is a private 'passover' between Jesus and his disciples.  Jesus hands himself over to satan at this meal (the lamb is killed) and the hour of darkness begins.

Until you establish with SCRIPTURE Molly, that THURSDAY is the valid day, then we must find other ways in which to calculate and find the PROPHETIC Words of JESUS as TRUE...

As I have already done in this thread, a few posts ago... :rolleye:

Quoting these verses concerning the process, does not give verification of the SIGN JESUS gave, nor does it establish your time frame, for there is NO SUCH BIBLICAL term as PALM SUNDAY, nor is the term EASTER a BIBLICAL term for that matter... 

In the KJV, EASTER appears ONCE (Acts 12:4) and is translated from the word PASCHA (Strongs #G3957) which, in the 28 other verses it appears, it is translated PASSOVER...

And what do you know of EASTER Molly?  Its origin is found in paganism, exalting the goddess ISHTAR... and these TAINTED tidbits have crept into the church's doctrine along with bunnies and eggs ...both signs of ISHTAR, ...the PAGAN goddess of FERTILITY... and are blindly adopted by YOU...

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So there you go, Jesus hands himself over to satan, literally, figuratively.  This is the spiritual slaying of the Lamb.  This is the power of darkness.

Spiritual slaying of the Lamb?   :sigh:

More UNBIBLICAL notation... JESUS did not "hand Himself to satan" Molly... Please note the verse in which He did so... :rolleye:  You cannot see your own web...

Molly, once again this is primarily, YOUR IMAGINED version of this... JESUS submitted to the officers, chief priests and Pharisees, because GOD decided He should do so, he did not "turn Himself in"... as you wish to portray...

They entered the garden, and He asked them "whom seek ye"... They replied JESUS of NAZERETH... and JESUS replied, I am HE... He did not go to them (which is "handing Himself over") they came for HIM... (John 18:1-12)

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The next thing he does is offer his body and blood to his disciples in a private and literal eating of the passover Lamb of God.

1 Corinthians 11:24
And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

You have quoted verses, but they do not establish your doctrinal claims... Instead you enter ever more UNBIBLICAL, terms such as PALM SUNDAY, and PAGAN ones such as EASTER.

ALL the verses you have quoted are STILL in harmony with my previous post Molly...

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The actual Passover feast will be the next day, the day that Jesus is crucified,  but this last supper communion is the true Passover of the New Covenant, between Jesus and his followers.

So, for me, I am satisfied--for now-- to start counting (although I do not need a sign) from the moment he hands himself over to satan on Thursday.

Please... more imagined and unnoted poppycock... Note to us the verse in which CHRIST handed Himself over to "satan"...  :dontknow:

You have not established days Molly... I'll be waiting for your "PALM SUNDAY" verse Molly...  :dontknow:  (of course, won't be holding my breath, as usual)  NEW YEARS will come and go, and you still will not have provided it...  :laughing7:

He was NOT in the HEART of the EARTH the day before the Passover feast Molly... He was placed in the TOMB, just before the PASSOVER (not weekly) SABBATH came on, and IN the TOMB... He remained for 3 days and 3 nights JUST like HE SAID... not like YOU say...

Believe your own UNBIBLICAL beliefs, they are yours... and you are welcome to them...

As for me, I shall believe what IS WRITTEN... which does not need to be explained AWAY as you endeavor to do here, with the SIGN of JONAH which was the SIGN  of the MESSIAH...  :thumbdown:

JONAH was IN the belly of the whale 3 days and 3 nights... JESUS was in the tomb exactly as IT SAYS... not as you propose it to be...

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« Reply #14 on: July 03, 2008, 11:46:24 AM »
I know I'm hijacking the thread for a sec., but WillieH?  How fast do you type??  To have posts like yours, even as fast as I am sometimes on the keyboard, it would take me the whole day to be able to consistently insert as many color fonts and emoticons as you do.  It's a genuine curiosity and not a criticism.

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« Reply #15 on: July 03, 2008, 06:39:48 PM »
One thing I'm happy to clarify  is that the last supper is not the Passover meal.  By Jewish reckoning, the evening of the last supper to the sunset of the next day (when the crucifixion occurs) is all the same day.  Jesus is crucified on preparation day, thus the last supper is part of the preparation of the Lamb of God.  He is taken off the cross before sunset, because that is the end of preparation day and the time of the Passover meal will begin that evening,  with the high sabbath extending to sunset of the next day.

At the last supper, Jesus is not only preparing himself, he is also preparing his disciples,-- as they partake of the body and blood of Christ, they will also partake of his suffering and his glory.

23 For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you: that the Lord Jesus on the same night in which He was betrayed took bread; 24 and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, "Take, eat; this is My body which is broken for you; do this in remembrance of Me." 25 In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me."
26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death till He comes.


--1 Cor 11




4Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
 5For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

 6Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

--Romans 6



18 "If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you. 19 If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. 20 Remember the word that I said to you,'A servant is not greater than his master.' If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you. If they kept My word, they will keep yours also.

--John 15
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« Reply #16 on: July 03, 2008, 07:50:26 PM »
Sarah, did your question get answered? lol

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« Reply #17 on: July 04, 2008, 12:57:21 AM »
willieH: Hi brother M... :hithere:

I know I'm hijacking the thread for a sec., but WillieH?  How fast do you type??  To have posts like yours, even as fast as I am sometimes on the keyboard, it would take me the whole day to be able to consistently insert as many color fonts and emoticons as you do.  It's a genuine curiosity and not a criticism.

I'm really not a fast typist...  :laughing7:  It probably just "seems" like I get all my stuff done quickly, but really, I feel more like a turtle when on the keyboard...  :mblush:


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« Reply #18 on: July 04, 2008, 01:21:57 AM »
willieH: Hi everyone!  :hithere:

I just wanted to state one more thing within the belief that I have, that CHRIST resurrected on the SABBATH, just as it was ending...

In the commandment given by YHVH, He blessed it and made it HOLY...

Ever wonder what that blessing was? And why it was HOLY:dunno:

I believe it is because JESUS CHRIST rose to LIFE conquering DEATH on the SABBATH, ...ETERNALLY... instituting the REST of GOD... done on the day of REST commanded by YHVH

CHRIST's resurrection IS the blessing of the SABBATH, and IS what makes it HOLY.   :boogie: :LoveH1:

:bowing: YHVH  :bowing:  JESUS

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« Reply #19 on: July 04, 2008, 04:04:02 AM »
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Sarah, did your question get answered? lol

Not Really.  I am actually wanting to ask better, but haven't had time.  My head is spinning from the resurrection thing. 

I suppose it is hard for me to wrap my head around the idea that the Jewish people consider a day beginning in the evening and ending in the morning.  Is this what they derive from reading Genesis or is their source elsewhere?  If so could their interpertation of 'evening and morning' be wrong?  In the hebrew is the word 'and' actually in between evening and morning?  It is a little strange that is isn't 'to'.  Or is the word 'and' just a translation thing?

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« Reply #20 on: July 04, 2008, 08:47:01 AM »
willieH: Hi Sarah... :hithere:

I suppose it is hard for me to wrap my head around the idea that the Jewish people consider a day beginning in the evening and ending in the morning.  Is this what they derive from reading Genesis or is their source elsewhere?  If so could their interpertation of 'evening and morning' be wrong?  In the hebrew is the word 'and' actually in between evening and morning?  It is a little strange that is isn't 'to'.  Or is the word 'and' just a translation thing?

It seems strange, because it is not how most people generally view the cycle of the Day...

Actually even in THIS DAY, ...at MIDNIGHT the next day begins in our present day format!  Meaning that the first portion of the Day is STILL the Dark portion...  :dontknow: 

We just don't commonly observe it this way... Most unconsciously think that the sunrise is the beginning of the day...  :dontknow:

You will find that, ...Darkness always preceeds Light Sarah... that is why the NATURAL preceeds the SPIRITUAL in this life... (1 Cor 15:46) That is why the OT Law called for eye for eye which is Darkness, ...instead of the NT which teaches Forgiveness which is LIGHT...

GOD in His HOLY ORDER, always places DARKNESS before LIGHT... because when the LIGHT COMES... Darkness is destroyed BY IT...

And, in the end, ...it is why GOD created the Days as He did...  :cloud9:



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« Reply #21 on: July 04, 2008, 07:30:42 PM »
Yes Willie, that makes sense.  I can envision the day starting at 12:00 a.m (when it is dark outside) because then I can imagine the journey of the earth beginning its rotation back to the light of the sun.  And the end of the day being 12:00pm (noon) because that is the point when the earth begins its journey away from the light of the sun.  Weird.  Maybe in Genesis 'evening' meant...the dying of light, and 'morning' meant the coming of light.  I know they probably didn't have the clock as we do, but maybe they divided up the 24 hours into evening and morning because the light is always either fading or growing.  Hey, I think I may be learning something new.  Or developing an imagination that will have to be torn down. Although if the Hebrew people saw evening as starting at noon, it would start in the light.

I do like what you said that the day begins in darkness, isn't that the truth?  Think about the 'yom' of a human.  We begin in darkness/ignorance-both physically and psycologically, and progress toward the light.  Then in later in life we turn again toward the darkness as our bodies decay and more often than not our mind...one day/yom.