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What was the Pharisees belief? Endless torment?
« on: January 01, 2010, 06:12:37 PM »
Mark 8:15
"Be careful," Jesus warned them. "Watch out for the yeast of the Pharisees and that of Herod."

 
Did the Pharisees believe in eternal torcher?
Someone told me they did, so thought i would ask here.
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Re: What was the Pharisees belief?
« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2010, 06:14:25 PM »
Yes they did at the time, it was brought over from their captivity and the things they learned there.

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« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2010, 06:21:54 PM »
Yes they did at the time, it was brought over from their captivity and the things they learned there.


Wow...so here is a CLEAR statement from Jesus to watch out for the Pharisees with their 'eternal torcher' doctrine.

Thank Lee  :HeartThrob:

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Re: What was the Pharisees belief?
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2010, 07:45:07 PM »
Jesus commanded his disciples to beware of the doctrine of the Pharisees and Sadducees. Matt. 16:12. The Sadducees denied the resurrection of the dead, and the Pharisees believed in the doctrine of endless misery. According to Jesus, both of these dogmas are false and dangerous. Reader, beware, beware of infidelity and the doctrine of endless woe.

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Re: What was the Pharisees belief?
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2010, 10:15:31 PM »
Jesus commanded his disciples to beware of the doctrine of the Pharisees and Sadducees. Matt. 16:12. The Sadducees denied the resurrection of the dead, and the Pharisees believed in the doctrine of endless misery. According to Jesus, both of these dogmas are false and dangerous. Reader, beware, beware of infidelity and the doctrine of endless woe.
I asked some of the ET'ers and christians about this, they told me that it not true, Jesus is talking about their's pride ego nature, the hypocrise thing, they follow God's laws, but without heart.

They told me that Jesus still support the punishment of hell because it is just.

Oh brother......

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Re: What was the Pharisees belief?
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2010, 12:25:59 AM »
Jesus commanded his disciples to beware of the doctrine of the Pharisees and Sadducees. Matt. 16:12. The Sadducees denied the resurrection of the dead, and the Pharisees believed in the doctrine of endless misery. According to Jesus, both of these dogmas are false and dangerous. Reader, beware, beware of infidelity and the doctrine of endless woe.

A gradual, often unconscious process of assimilation based on culture.

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Re: What was the Pharisees belief?
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2010, 06:20:25 AM »
Yes they did at the time, it was brought over from their captivity and the things they learned there.

Can you give a source for this information?  Is there an article somewhere on the Pharisees?

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Re: What was the Pharisees belief? Endless torment?
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2010, 07:03:08 AM »
Mark 8:15
"Be careful," Jesus warned them. "Watch out for the yeast of the Pharisees and that of Herod."

Jesus isn't warning people to not follow the Pharisee doctrines....

Matthew 23:1 "Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to His disciples, 2 saying: "The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the chair of Moses; 3 therefore all that they tell you, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds; for they say things and do not do them."

The Pharisees didn't believe in ET either, they believed that they would be seperated from God's promises, and held outside His presence therefore never being included into His good things.


The yeast is a reference going to the idea that if you put a little yeast into the flour it will eventually make it's way through the whole batch of dough... that was a comparision to sin, that if you sin a little that eventually your whole being becomes corrupted, In context this idea was connnected to the Pharisees disbelief... therefore watch out for the disbelief of the Pharisees for a little will corrupt the whole person.

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Re: What was the Pharisees belief? Endless torment?
« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2010, 12:11:17 PM »
I'm not 100% sure, but I believe most Jews believed that Gehenna was temporal at least for all Jews, about the gentiles the opinions seem to have differed, though annihilation seems to have been a popular notion.

But as the Jews considered Gehenna to be temporal for themselves, they could hardly understood the threat of Gehenna as endless torment, and nowhere else than Jews are threatened with Gehenna in the bible.

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Re: What was the Pharisees belief?
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2010, 11:09:39 PM »
Jesus commanded his disciples to beware of the doctrine of the Pharisees and Sadducees. Matt. 16:12. The Sadducees denied the resurrection of the dead, and the Pharisees believed in the doctrine of endless misery. According to Jesus, both of these dogmas are false and dangerous. Reader, beware, beware of infidelity and the doctrine of endless woe.

A gradual, often unconscious process of assimilation based on culture.

That is very good pm.

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« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2010, 08:20:56 AM »
Jesus commanded his disciples to beware of the doctrine of the Pharisees and Sadducees. Matt. 16:12. The Sadducees denied the resurrection of the dead, and the Pharisees believed in the doctrine of endless misery. According to Jesus, both of these dogmas are false and dangerous. Reader, beware, beware of infidelity and the doctrine of endless woe.

A gradual, often unconscious process of assimilation based on culture.

That is very good pm.

cp

Good to see your voice again, cp  :thumbsup:

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Re: What was the Pharisees belief? Endless torment?
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2010, 09:40:35 AM »
The Pharisees believe in making tons of laws to keep the people in slavery--

4For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.


They believe that they are the elite and the elect, and everything they do is for show to reinforce the idea that they are better and smarter than other men because this is what they believe to be true--


5But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,

 6And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,

 7And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.




They believe in controlling people and keeping them hungry and helpless so that they will not enter into the kingdom of heaven--

13But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.



They are total hypocrites who steal from widows while making long prayers in public to prove their piety because they believe in fooling and cheating the people they consider inferior to them--

14Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.



They believe they have a right to  money and power, at the expense of others,  and they are not above using even the temple of God to achieve this end, putting people in debt to them under the guise of religion--

16Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!



Finally, as all narcissists who crave earthly power, they miss the true meaning of God's law, whether by accident or design--



23Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.



The Pharisees rose to power in Babylon and after 70 ad many returned to Babylon where they polished and developed the above skills in pursuit of control of the world.  Jesus calls them the sons of Satan, and Satan the prince of this world, thus the whole world system as we know it is the Pharisitic Babylonian system of Revelation.


But--

1 John 4:4
Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.






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Re: What was the Pharisees belief? Endless torment?
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2010, 02:41:33 PM »
The Pharisees believe in making tons of laws to keep the people in slavery--

4For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.


They believe that they are the elite and the elect, and everything they do is for show to reinforce the idea that they are better and smarter than other men because this is what they believe to be true--


5But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,

 6And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,

 7And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.




They believe in controlling people and keeping them hungry and helpless so that they will not enter into the kingdom of heaven--

13But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.



They are total hypocrites who steal from widows while making long prayers in public to prove their piety because they believe in fooling and cheating the people they consider inferior to them--

14Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.



They believe they have a right to  money and power, at the expense of others,  and they are not above using even the temple of God to achieve this end, putting people in debt to them under the guise of religion--

16Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!



Finally, as all narcissists who crave earthly power, they miss the true meaning of God's law, whether by accident or design--



23Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.



The Pharisees rose to power in Babylon and after 70 ad many returned to Babylon where they polished and developed the above skills in pursuit of control of the world.  Jesus calls them the sons of Satan, and Satan the prince of this world, thus the whole world system as we know it is the Pharisitic Babylonian system of Revelation.


But--

1 John 4:4
Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.



Sounds EXACTLY like the vast majority of meanstream, orthodox christianity to me :omg: :eeew:

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Re: What was the Pharisees belief? Endless torment?
« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2010, 03:22:45 PM »

"Therefore keep  watch,  because you do not know on what day your Lord will come.  But understand this:  If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have  kept  watch  and would not have let his house be broken into. So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him. Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time?" (Matthew 24:42-45)


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Re: What was the Pharisees belief? Endless torment?
« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2010, 04:16:41 PM »
The Pharisees rose to power in Babylon and after 70 ad many returned to Babylon where they polished and developed the above skills in pursuit of control of the world.  Jesus calls them the sons of Satan, and Satan the prince of this world, thus the whole world system as we know it is the Pharisitic Babylonian system of Revelation.

Right on Molly...the Pharisees' "holy book" is also not the Torah, or Bible...but the Babylonian Talmud (not to be confused with the Jerusalem Talmud)...the Talmuds are the "holy books" of Judaism...

To understand the modern  mindset of zionist jews with regards to non-jewish people and the massacre of the people of the earth (aided by american zionist talmudic reading jews like bush, cheney, obama) , here a few tidbits found in the Talmud:

"Just the Jews are humans, the Non-Jews are not humans, but cattle." (goyim ~ human cattle) ~ (Kerithuth 6b page 78, Jebhammoth 61a)

"The Non-Jews have been created to serve the Jews as slaves." ~ (Midrasch Talpioth 225)

"The Non-Jews have to be avoided, even more than sick pigs." ~ (Orach Chaiim 57, 6a)

"Sexual intercourse with Non-Jews is like sexual intercourse with animals" ~ (Kethuboth 3b)

"The birth-rate of the Non-Jews has to be suppressed massively" ~ (Zohar II, 4b)

"Jews always have to try to deceive Non-Jews" ~ (Zohar I, 168a)

"Every Jew is allowed to use lies and perjury to bring a Non-Jew to ruin" ~ (Babha Kama 113a)

"The possessions of the goyim are like an ownerless desert, and everybody (every Jew) who seizes it, has acquired it" ~ (Talmud IV/3/54b)

"When the Messiah comes, all will be slaves of the Jews" ~- (Erubin 43b)


and the western world thinks it's enemy is islam? mmm...you been duped


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Re: What was the Pharisees belief? Endless torment?
« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2010, 09:29:33 PM »

and the western world thinks it's enemy is islam? mmm...you been duped

I haven't seen any Jews blow up any of our planes or buildings lately.

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Re: What was the Pharisees belief? Endless torment?
« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2010, 09:01:20 AM »

and the western world thinks it's enemy is islam? mmm...you been duped

I haven't seen any Jews blow up any of our planes or buildings lately.


you obviously have not seen the video of the Mossad agents jumping for joy when the twin towers came down?
but that is a whole topic on its own...

...but what about the economy?
ordinary people losing their homes whilst Golman Sachs makes the biggest profits in its history...bail outs for banks, but not the ordinary citizen

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the topic is about the "beliefs of the Pharisees" and "endless torment"...for some "endless torment" are being experienced right here on earth jabcat, perpotrated by people claiming to be God's chosen...killing and maiming in His name...and you do not think there's any relevance? :mshock:

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Re: What was the Pharisees belief? Endless torment?
« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2010, 01:16:42 PM »

"Therefore keep  watch,  because you do not know on what day your Lord will come.  But understand this:  If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have  kept  watch  and would not have let his house be broken into. So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him. Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time?" (Matthew 24:42-45)


Molly, IMO, this is a story told to people still following the Law and moving into Grace after Jesus dies.  the whole telling of not knowing when He comes is a hidden riddle of when the Holy Spirit IN dwells humankind, and is now how God comes to his people (All People) , God comes to every person in God's time, When God is ready to come to that person, i.e. God wakes up His Seed in ALL mankind in His order.

Lee



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Re: What was the Pharisees belief? Endless torment?
« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2010, 01:42:45 PM »
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Molly, IMO, this is a story told to people still following the Law and moving into Grace after Jesus dies.  the whole telling of not knowing when He comes is a hidden riddle of when the Holy Spirit IN dwells humankind, and is now how God comes to his people (All People) , God comes to every person in God's time, When God is ready to come to that person, i.e. God wakes up His Seed in ALL mankind in His order.

Lee

Hi Lee--

Yes, I understand what you're saying and believe that to be true.  But, I am also waiting for the manifestation of the sons of God [in immortal bodies] and the 1000 year reign of Christ and his saints, which I am hoping will be a literal occurrence.

But--I don't think I could win any debate on it.

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« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2010, 04:05:22 PM »
Ok Molly, Good luck with that, It has happened with ME.

I am in a body that will never end and you are too.

the 1000 year thing started a very long time ago , "about" 2000 years ago. Human time.

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Re: What was the Pharisees belief? Endless torment?
« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2010, 04:58:27 PM »
 Matthew 5;20  For I tell you, UNLESS YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS

 SURPASSES THAT OF THE PHARISEE'S AND TEACHER'S OF THE

LAW, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.


   tHEY SiT IN THE SEAT OF mOSES, JUDGING LAW, AND NOT A

  DOER OF IT.....JUDGE NOTHING UNTIL THE APPOINTED TIME

  JUDGE NOT LEST YE BE JUDGED

   oFFSPRING OF VIPERS, THROUGH VIOLENCE SET TO SEIZE

THE kINGDOM.

  hE SAID yOU WILL KNOW A TREE BY IT'S FRUIT.

 WHEN THE FRUIT APPEARS OF HYPOCRISY, JUDGEMENTALISM

ARROGANCE,VIOLENCE, RESPECTOR OF PERSONS, PUBLIC

SHOWY DISPLAYS, HINDERING OF THE KINGDOM, ATTACK

AGAINST GOD'S MERCY THROUGH CHRIST ;THE FRUIT WILL

BE EVIDENT...AND YOU WILL REALIZE IT IS NOT OF THE TREE

OF LIFE