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What about the 6 Million ? In the Holocaust

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rjohnson741:

--- Quote from: TheAuthenticFan on December 03, 2012, 07:58:17 PM ---   God must punish them,   Anti-Semites like  David Duke, Louis Farrakkhan,
Yasir Arafat, Female Anti-Semites,   when they pass away, God  must Punish them

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Of course God must punish them in the lake of fire. How else could God's love reach them?

eaglesway:

--- Quote from: legoman on December 03, 2012, 08:13:53 PM ---
--- Quote from: TheAuthenticFan on December 03, 2012, 07:57:13 PM ---Elsewhere in Romans, Paul says "There are Many Israelities, but only a Handful shall be Saved" how do you  Reconcile that :Peace2:

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What is the verse that says this?

Thanks...

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Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved: For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.
(Rom 9:27-28)

This is the verse he is referring to.

But you have to keep reading  :o)

And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor? Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again? For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.
(Rom 11:26-36)

legoman:

--- Quote from: eaglesway on December 03, 2012, 08:27:24 PM ---
--- Quote from: legoman on December 03, 2012, 08:13:53 PM ---
--- Quote from: TheAuthenticFan on December 03, 2012, 07:57:13 PM ---Elsewhere in Romans, Paul says "There are Many Israelities, but only a Handful shall be Saved" how do you  Reconcile that :Peace2:

--- End quote ---

What is the verse that says this?

Thanks...

--- End quote ---

Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved: For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.
(Rom 9:27-28)

This is the verse he is referring to.

But you have to keep reading  :o)

And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor? Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again? For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.
(Rom 11:26-36)

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Ok thanks.

Yes, Romans 9 is not the completion... you are right you have to read on to Romans 11 where ultimately we see God binds all over to disobedience so He can have mercy on all, and all are then for God's glory.

Lazarus Short:
First of all, you need to realise and accept this unavoidable fact:  all those Jews (and other people the Nazi's didn't like), the Germans who oppressed them, the German civilians who died in the Dresden firebombings, all the millions Lenin and Stalin and Mao and Pol Pot [and on and on] killed - all are mortal, and most of them died in their sins. They were fated to die anyway, one way or another...

Second, those who died unjustly in their sins, those who died unjustly in righteousness, those who died peacefully in their sleep - are all in the same boat.  They all face judgment, reward and/or punishment, and take their place eventually in the Kingdom.  Their manner of death is a minor matter. 

Third, here at Tentmaker [and elsewhere] we rejoice because we KNOW that the blood of Jesus can and does cover all [ALL!] the sins of these many millions/billions.  You, me, everyone.

In the end, all former enemies (in the here-and-now) will be reconciled to each other just as they will be reconciled to God.  The first-century Greeks and Jews are an excellent example of this.



 

Lazarus Short:
double post, my bad :doh:

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