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lomarah:

--- Quote from: reFORMer on December 05, 2012, 08:22:22 AM ---I never knew the definition of "glom" before.  The few times I've heard it, or used it, I thought it was something that "glop" did when it was thrown onto something.  It didn't exactly adhere.  It would drip and slide down.  Like when you can't get your brother off your back.  Push him away and he keeps coming back.  He's "glomming onto you."  I wonder what word would replace my misguided idea...

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Glooping.  :declare:

Lazarus Short:

--- Quote from: ded2daworld on December 05, 2012, 04:23:33 PM ---Fair is justice.

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Not so - stay tuned, I'm going to make a major post on this subject later, maybe a new thread.

OK, here it is, from the Institute in Basic Youth Conflicts (now renamed, but don't recall the new name):

Justice and Mercy versus Fairness

Justice is based on the universal, unchangeable principles of God's Word. 
Fairness is based on the variable customs of a society and the changing will of the majority.

Justice establishes guilt when God's standards are violated.  Fairness tries to remove guilt by lowering God's standards.

Justice causes us to confess our failures and plead for mercy.  Fairness causes us to justify our failures so that we do not think that we need mercy.

Justice and mercy are based on personal responsibility to a holy God, and they will produce revival in a nation.
Fairness is based on personal rights, and it will produce rebellion within a nation.

Justice is based on protecting eternal values.
Fairness is based on protecting temporal values.

Justice emphasizes personal responsibility.
Fairness emphasizes personal rights.

Justice is the expression of God's wisdom for our nation, and its application will lead to prosperity.
Fairness is the expression of human reasoning for a nation, and its application will lead to financial ruin.

Justice is impartial.  It is objective and non-emotional.
Fairness is partial.  It is subjective and based on arbitrary emotional consideration.


Justice results in the swift prosecution of criminals.
Fairness results in the slow presecution of criminals.

Justice limits the punishment of a criminal.
Fairness results in the inconsistent punishment of a criminal.

Justice establishes God's view of what is essential for a nation to be successful.
Fairness establishes man's view of what is essential for a nation to be successful.

Justice allows an employer to be generous to those who are in special need.
Fairness legislates against an employer's being generous to those in special need.

Justice holds the individual guilty for his offense.
Humanistic laws based on fairness hold society guilty for an individual's offense.

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Note that God's Word often speaks of Justice and Mercy, but never Fairness.  Also, consider how the USA has declined since the advent of "Fairness Laws."

VineBranch:
Nice post L.S.

Unfortunately it never defines either Fair, or Justice anywhere.  Could you ask the Institute for a definition?  All the dictionaries I have consulted have used 'just' as part of the definitions, or at least as the example of Fair/Fairness.  It could just be a linguistic thing.  A lot of related words merge at some point, and split at others.  I would love to see their definitions.

Don't you find that they might also be setting up some false dichotomies?  Some of those examples are pretty black and white.

VineBranch:

--- Quote from: reFORMer on December 05, 2012, 08:22:22 AM ---I never knew the definition of "glom" before.  The few times I've heard it, or used it, I thought it was something that "glop" did when it was thrown onto something.  It didn't exactly adhere.  It would drip and slide down.  Like when you can't get your brother off your back.  Push him away and he keeps coming back.  He's "glomming onto you."  I wonder what word would replace my misguided idea...

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I think lomarah might be onto something here.  Maybe we could use glop as a verb.  Remember in Ghost Busters when Murray said "He slimed me", as in, he made slime adhere to me.  Maybe we could say he glopped me, or he gunked me, or he crudded me.  What do you think?  We could add the contemporary usage of 'up' to it.  He glopped me up, he crudded me up.  Let's phone Websters!!!!!!

Lazarus Short:

--- Quote from: VineBranch on December 06, 2012, 04:44:14 AM ---Nice post L.S.

Unfortunately it never defines either Fair, or Justice anywhere.  Could you ask the Institute for a definition?  All the dictionaries I have consulted have used 'just' as part of the definitions, or at least as the example of Fair/Fairness.  It could just be a linguistic thing.  A lot of related words merge at some point, and split at others.  I would love to see their definitions.

Don't you find that they might also be setting up some false dichotomies?  Some of those examples are pretty black and white.


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Fair questions, VB, so I went back to the IBYC literature, and found this:

"Justice is...the application of the principles of God's Word which are totally consistent with His holy character.

Mercy is...the provision which God has made, in that His Son has paid the full price for man's violation of His holy laws.

Fairness is...lowering God's standards to the level that can be achieved with our human will and ability.

Equity is...the application of justice to situations not covered by the law."

It also says, "The word 'fairness' is a good word with a right usage; but our society has distorted the true meaning of fairness and is effectively communicating false ideas through a trusted word."

There is much more, but I hope this bit helps.

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