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Re: Was Jesus the First to Raise From the Dead???
« Reply #25 on: August 26, 2009, 11:57:01 PM »
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Re: Was Jesus the First to Raise From the Dead???
« Reply #26 on: August 27, 2009, 12:05:13 AM »
I like this idea Cardinal. Do you think this is possibly why Jesus said "Do you not know that you are gods" and what is spoken of as the "restitution of all things" (that is, the bringing back to a former state; and more specifically, bringing all back to their former state IN God)?

 :cloud9: Absolutely, that's what I think He meant. We were one with Him from the foundation of the world. One with Christ, but not as the "New Age" movement has corrupted that to mean, as in "we are Christ", but one with Him as a wife/body is one with her husband/head.

This is a, "1+1=1 that were joined from 2" pattern, whereas their (New Age) view of it is a, "1=1" pattern, usurping the Head and taking His glory.

In the one scripture where He said have I not said ye are gods, and ye die like men, the emphasis has always been put on being "gods", and He revealed to me that the emphasis was wrong.

What He was taking offense to, was the MANNER OF DYING, ie. like men, instead of like God, or "a god". How does God or "a god" die? No greater love has any many than this, than he lay down his life for his friends. Blessings...
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Re: Was Jesus the First to Raise From the Dead???
« Reply #27 on: August 27, 2009, 12:09:03 AM »
...and the men on the mount were brought to see NOW the everlasting sabbath of Christ in Jesus.

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Re: Was Jesus the First to Raise From the Dead???
« Reply #28 on: August 27, 2009, 12:12:31 AM »
 :cloud9: Amen........and they didn't realize that to see this meant that it was PAST the feast of Tabernacles; they only knew that Elijah was supposed to come when the Messiah and His Kingdom had come, thus they wanted to build three booths, not realizing the "branches" were standing in front of them. Blessings....
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Re: Was Jesus the First to Raise From the Dead???
« Reply #29 on: August 27, 2009, 12:19:16 AM »
...and the construction of the branches of the law (Moses) and the prophets (Elijah) culminated in the tabernacle of Christ Jesus.
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Re: Was Jesus the First to Raise From the Dead???
« Reply #30 on: August 27, 2009, 12:28:52 AM »
 :cloud9: AMEN! Blessings....
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Re: Was Jesus the First to Raise From the Dead???
« Reply #31 on: August 27, 2009, 12:33:39 AM »
...and then there is the wedding feast!


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Re: Was Jesus the First to Raise From the Dead???
« Reply #32 on: August 27, 2009, 01:23:59 PM »
So how did those two others appear with Jesus in or at His Transfiguration??

How did one appear as the son of God in the furnace?
How did one appear approaching the ancient of days?
How did the angels appear ascending and desending on the Son of man?


Mar 10:27 And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men [it is] impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.
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Re: Was Jesus the First to Raise From the Dead???
« Reply #33 on: August 27, 2009, 02:14:03 PM »
NO one before Jesus!
They all died.
He laid down and took up His own Life.
and what of Enoch and Elijah?

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Re: Was Jesus the First to Raise From the Dead???
« Reply #34 on: August 27, 2009, 02:21:44 PM »
NO one before Jesus!
They all died.
He laid down and took up His own Life.
and what of Enoch and Elijah?

Hbr 11:5   By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God. 

Hbr 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of [them], and embraced [them], and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. 


bottom line would be even if they went to heaven, they did NOT gain a glorified body. they were NOT resurrected, only ""raised""


Hbr 11:40   God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect


there is a writting on the difference between vivified, rasied, and resurrection,(( will try and find it )))  Christ Jesus is the FIRST to be resurrected.

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Re: Was Jesus the First to Raise From the Dead???
« Reply #35 on: August 27, 2009, 05:58:57 PM »
 really good posts,everyone.

  I have a different 'take' on Chuck's though. Enoch speaks of

being clothed as one of his glorious ones.[immortality]


  Luke 2;34   This child is destined to cause the falling AND

 RISING of 'many' in Israel.

   and to be a SIGN that is spoken against.

   Also, Jesus said, that he only did what he saw His Father

  doing. Evidently He had wittnessed before in the heavens,His

Father, raising the dead,healing the afflicted..etc.. God's power

 was with him, to do these things. Indeed, He told the

Pharisees they erred because they 'knew not" the POWER of

GOD.

   What is the 'SIGNificance' of the word SIGN...

  the sign of the covenant

   Luke 11;30 For as Jonah was a sign to the Ninevites,so also

  will THE SON OF MAN BE A SIGN TO THIS GENERATION

   the destroy this temple and I will raise it again in three days

  was a miraculous sign given to  the jews[John 2;18,19]

   the first miraculous sign,was the turning of the water to wine

 at the wedding feast.


   the Glory of God and His son are worked through these SIGNS

   these signs are the odour of death to the ones and the odour

  of LIFE to the other.

   Their SIGNificance is THE POWER AND GLORY OF GOD

    when we see the sign of the Son of Man coming on the clouds

   it is His return in all the POWER AND GLORY OF THE FATHER


    The Lamb was SLAIN BEFORE the Founding of the world..

   The WORD  was WITH God in the beginning...all

   that was needed for the REVEALING WAS THE OPENING

  OF THE SEALS....


   You have been with me from the beginning....this is the

covenant for the KINGDOM ....


  LOOK!!!   The MYSTERY OF GODLINESS IS REVEALED...

  AND...the MYSTERY OF LAWLESSNESS.....


   Just because something has not been understood or been

revealed to us,does NOT make it INVALID OR AS NOT PRE-

EXISTING OUR UNDERSTANDING OF IT.


   BUT,rather, the OPENING OF IT TO US...REVEALS WHAT IS..

  AND HAS BEEN..AND WILL BE  .FROM THE BEGINNING.

  [each in his own order] 


   So,too, the mystery of lawlessness is revealed, Rev 17;8

   the beast which you saw,once was[in heaven and earth]

  is now not[being abyssed] and will come up out of the abyss

 and go to it's destruction.[beasts lack understanding/the

revealing to the saints, abysses the lying/accusing adversary

 false prophet having already been dispensed of]


   This WORD from the beginning...a commandment unto life..

  has been revealed by the spirit of OUR FATHER...throughout

 generations of time...BY THE WILL OF GOD....and as those

 borne along of spirit are by the WILL OF GOD, so too, the

  WORD OF GOD DOES NOT RETURN VOID,BUT ACCOMPLISHES

ALL THE WILL OF GOD.


         Sheila

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Re: Was Jesus the First to Raise From the Dead???
« Reply #36 on: August 27, 2009, 06:04:19 PM »
So since enoch and elihja didnt ""slept. there is no contradiction:
????

1Cr 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, [and] become the firstfruits of them that slept. 

did those two need no saviour?

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Re: Was Jesus the First to Raise From the Dead???
« Reply #37 on: August 27, 2009, 06:31:18 PM »
That was a more direct to the point I wanted to know.
Did they need no saviour

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Re: Was Jesus the First to Raise From the Dead???
« Reply #38 on: August 27, 2009, 09:30:27 PM »
 the Lamb was slain..Before the founding of the world..the Lamb

 was ALREADY THE SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD..before the first

  Adam was placed in his body formed of the dust...and as

  each humanbeing in his own order has been lowered into

  the corruption...I AM THE FIRST AND THE LAST...


    He came in the midst of the week ...this firstborn from the

   dead and declared the Word of God..BUT HE IS THE FIRST

   AND THE LAST...firstfruits,lastfruits,ALL THE FRUIT.

   If the Lamb was slain,before the founding of the world...

   what prevents the sacrifice being applied to them,when they

 need it, and when do they need it more than when they die?

   And how will some never die[Enoch,Elijah]...

   And how are they not perfected preceeding us? Because at

 their resurrection[thse that preceded us] they are as the angels,

that desire to peer into the sacred things that God  declares

by HIS SPIRIT COME IN FLESH. They are the 'full of eyes' of

cherubs bodies in Ezekiel's vision of the Glory of GOD.

  The spirits of just men made perfect


                            Sheila

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Re: Was Jesus the First to Raise From the Dead???
« Reply #39 on: August 27, 2009, 09:35:43 PM »
   This WORD from the beginning...a commandment unto life..

  has been revealed by the spirit of OUR FATHER...throughout

 generations of time...BY THE WILL OF GOD....and as those

 borne along of spirit are by the WILL OF GOD, so too, the

  WORD OF GOD DOES NOT RETURN VOID,BUT ACCOMPLISHES

ALL THE WILL OF GOD.


         Sheila

 :cloud9: WOW Sheila.........it was all good but that last paragraph just danced in my heart for joy! Thank you for posting that.  :thumbsup: We serve an awesome God. Thank You Father, I give You praise.

That last part; I want to share some revelation He gave me on that. The Word that was made flesh, lies in repose IN US/the grave, cannot return (be raised and glorified) to the Father, without/devoid of, the Spirit.

The GREAT NEWS is; He raises us up WITH HIM, ie. when He arose many arose with Him. Blessings....
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Re: Was Jesus the First to Raise From the Dead???
« Reply #40 on: August 27, 2009, 09:40:47 PM »
    He came in the midst of the week ...this firstborn from the

   dead and declared the Word of God..BUT HE IS THE FIRST

   AND THE LAST...firstfruits,lastfruits,ALL THE FRUIT.

                              Sheila



 :cloud9: AMEN........the Lord showed me that the Alpha (Christ from before the foundation) and the Omega that COMES IN US as fulfilled sons of God, is the SAME. No longer "in part", but to be filled with the fullness that He is. Blessings.....
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Re: Was Jesus the First to Raise From the Dead???
« Reply #41 on: August 27, 2009, 10:12:24 PM »
Yes, I have that whole set, but it did nothing to answer if any person was raised to any kind of life before Jesus.


Did he make it possible for all to rise or not...

Lee, there were quite a few raised from the dead before Jesus was. There were the ones Jesus raised from the dead and Elisha raised or was it Elijah? Anyway, the real question is: Who was the first one to be vivified, to receive life immortal? The answer to that question is Jesus. He only has been vivified and in fact is the firstruit of vivification:

1 Corinthians 15:22-24 CLV  (22)  For even as, in Adam, all are dying,
thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified."  (23) 
Yet each in his own class: the Firstfruit, Christ;
 thereupon those who are Christ's in His presence;" 
(24)  thereafter the consummation, whenever He may
 be giving up the kingdom to His God and Father, whenever
 He should be nullifying all sovereignty and all authority and power."

Everyone else died who was brought back to life.

The two seen with Jesus on the mount of transfiguration? It was just a vision. If Moses and Elijah truly were alive at that point in time then they would have beaten Jesus to being the first fruit of vivificaiton.
Just because God says He will save all mankind
does not necessarily mean He won't.

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Re: Was Jesus the First to Raise From the Dead???
« Reply #42 on: August 28, 2009, 03:43:48 AM »
   This WORD from the beginning...a commandment unto life..

  has been revealed by the spirit of OUR FATHER...throughout

 generations of time...BY THE WILL OF GOD....and as those

 borne along of spirit are by the WILL OF GOD, so too, the

  WORD OF GOD DOES NOT RETURN VOID,BUT ACCOMPLISHES

ALL THE WILL OF GOD.


         Sheila

 :cloud9: WOW Sheila.........it was all good but that last paragraph just danced in my heart for joy! Thank you for posting that.  :thumbsup: We serve an awesome God. Thank You Father, I give You praise.

That last part; I want to share some revelation He gave me on that. The Word that was made flesh, lies in repose IN US/the grave, cannot return (be raised and glorified) to the Father, without/devoid of, the Spirit.

The GREAT NEWS is; He raises us up WITH HIM, ie. when He arose many arose with Him. Blessings....

Amen, Cardinal.

So, could it be said that the bodies of the saints that were raised after the veil was torn, were raised because of the word within them. Once Jesus yielded his spirit to the Father, it says the graves opened, and they went into the holy city and were seen by many. It was the word that raised them and led them into the holy city, for the word was now being fulfilled. But, it still says they "appeared"; and not to all, but many. It makes me believe these "many" were chosen to see, so that they would understand later.