Perhaps if I establish for you scripturally Mickiel that the rein of Jesus Christ and the ushering in of his Kingdom began at the cross then you might (just maybe), change your mind. And by chance Luke 22:18 is the exact prophecy that is fulfilled on the cross that I will be addressing.
quote Mickiel
Well yes, I think truth is being spread. In paying close attention to Jesus in Luke 22:18;" For I say unto you, I willnot drink of the fruit of the vine from now on until the Kingdom Comes." Well some just feel that Jesus is drinking it now, because they claim the Kingdom is already come within them. I simply doubt that is true. Nothing personal against them, but its just what I read.
Peace.
Luke 22:18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.
I actually did write some time back, that this was a prophetic word referring to his crucifixion. Now there were a couple of issues that I had to work through, mainly that there were two instances of being offered sour wine, once before he was fully crucified, and once right before he said "it is finished". Also the other issue that I had to work through for at least one skeptic is whether vinegar or sour wine is actually "fruit of the vine". I'll make these points here as well for you to look over and decide for yourself.
So lets look at that scripture again
Luke 22:18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.
Now in Matthew and Mark he there is clearly 2 difference instances of being offered the sour wine, Mark is most specific, so lets look at it and use the other 3 gospels to add detail as needed.
I shall put my comments in red. It should be noted that the Gospel of Luke is the least informative in the quest for more detail, but in it is the prophetic word regarding the fruit of the vine and the Kingdom. It should also be noted that though Luke lacks detail it does not in any way contradict my findings.
Mark 15:22 And they bring him unto the place Golgotha, which is, being interpreted, The place of a skull.
23
And they gave him to drink wine mingled with myrrh: but he received it not.24 And when they had crucified him, they parted his garments, casting lots upon them, what every man should take.
We see in verse 24 that Jesus was offered wine mixed with myrrh and that he did not receive it, and we see in verse 25 that this happened in the third hour of the day25
And it was the third hour, and they crucified him.26 And the superscription of his accusation was written over, THE KING OF THE JEWS.
27 And with him they crucify two thieves; the one on his right hand, and the other on his left.
28 And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, And he was numbered with the transgressors.
29 And they that passed by railed on him, wagging their heads, and saying, Ah, thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days,
30 Save thyself, and come down from the cross.
31 Likewise also the chief priests mocking said among themselves with the scribes, He saved others; himself he cannot save.
32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.
33 And when the
sixth hour was come, there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour.
just making a note that in verse 33 we see we are now passing the sixth hour34 And at the
ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
35 And some of them that stood by, when they heard it, said, Behold, he calleth Elias.
36
And one ran and filled a spunge full of vinegar, and put it on a reed, and gave him to drink, saying, Let alone; let us see whether Elias will come to take him down.now we are in the ninth hour (verse 34) and again he is given vinegar to drink, the Gospel of Mark does not say whether or not he received this second offering, so lets go to The Gospel of John for clarification37
And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost.38 And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom.
John 19:28 After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.
29 Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they filled a spunge with vinegar, and put it upon hyssop, and put it to his mouth.
30 When Jesus therefore
had received the vinegar, he said,
It is finished: and
he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.Ok, so first lets establish that this is indeed the second offering, as John makes no mention of the first offering that Jesus refused - - we see that immediately after receiving the vinegar and saying "it is finished" that he gives up the ghost...this is clearly the second offering as we refer to Mark chapter 15 verses 36 and 37 that this is the vinegar offered in the ninth hour which after it is received he dies.Matthew follows very closely what Mark said, and Luke offers very little to clear up the matter, but it does not contradict either.
Ok, so then I got the argument that sour wine or vinegar had lost all of its essence and is essentially not "fruit of the vine" anymore. Here was my response to what fruit of the vine is according to the word to Nazarites:
Numbers 6:3 He shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried.
4 All the days of his separation shall he eat nothing that is made of the vine tree, from the kernels even to the husk.
Well, I think that going by this I can safely say that vinegar or sour wine is still considered "fruit of the vine".
Anyway, I think I have shown that after he said:"I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come." that he did indeed drink the fruit of the vine, on the cross, and after he drank it he said "it is finished". I do believe that this established the ushering in of the Reign of Jesus Christ, and his Kingdom.
Again, lest their be debate about whether he did drink the fruit of the vine on the cross (many stop at the instance at the third hour when he refused it and just assume this is the same as the vinegar at the ninth hour, wrongly assume may I say) before saying it is finished, lets look to other translations:
John 19:30
(ASV) When Jesus therefore
had received the vinegar, he said,
It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up his spirit.
(BBE) So when Jesus had
taken the wine he said,
All is done. And with his head bent he gave up his spirit.
(CEV) After Jesus
drank the wine, he said,
"Everything is done!" He bowed his head and died.
(GNT) ὅτε οὖν ἔλαβε τὸ ὄξος ὁ ᾿Ιησοῦς εἶπε· τετέλεσται· καὶ κλίνας τὴν κεφαλὴν παρέδωκε τὸ πνεῦμα. (sorry, I don't know greek)
(ISV) After Jesus had
taken the wine, he said,
"It is finished." Then he bowed his head and released his spirit.
(KJV+) When3753 Jesus2424 therefore3767
had received2983 the3588 vinegar,3690 he said,2036
It is finished:5055 and2532 he bowed2827 his head,2776 and gave up3860 the3588 ghost.4151
(KJVA) When Jesus therefore
had received the vinegar, he said,
It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
(LITV) Then when
Jesus took the vinegar, He said,
It has been finished. And bowing His head, He delivered up the spirit.
(WNT) As soon as
Jesus had taken the wine, He said,
"It is finished." And then, bowing His head, He yielded up His spirit.
(YLT) when, therefore,
Jesus received the vinegar, he said, `
It hath been finished;' and having bowed the head, gave up the spirit.
You decide for yourself if the prophetic word that he wouldn't drink of the fruit of the vine until the Kingdom comes was indeed when he drank the fruit of the vine on the cross right before he said it is finished and then died. I must say that all I have written here I did not receive from man, nor church doctrine, nor had I ever even heard these things from any teaching, until I received them from the Spirit of Truth by revelation, yes, it leads us in all truth. I actually didn't do any of the scripture work until after my view was rebutted when I posted it in Mychurch.org. And then, when the scriptures were looked into fully, the Word beared witness to the Spirit.
John 19:29 Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they filled a spunge with vinegar, and put it upon
hyssop, and put it to his mouth.
I think their is also some signifigance to it being offered upon the hyssop:
Psalms 51:7 Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean: wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.
Also, I had posted this on tentmaker before and I can't remember who, I think Cardinal, make the point that perhaps the reason he refused the first mixed wine at the third hour, at the beginning of the crucifixion might be because all was not yet ready for Luke 22:18 to be fulfilled and that this is often how the adversary works, trying to mimic the word and keep us from fully obeying it. Anyway thought that was an interesting point.
