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Offline Tony N

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Universal Reconciliation is not in the Bible
« on: March 20, 2009, 09:02:40 PM »
 . . . but God reconciling all in the heavens and all on the earth is (Colossians 1:20).  :laughing7:
Just because God says He will save all mankind
does not necessarily mean He won't.

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Re: Universal Reconciliation is not in the Bible
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2009, 09:23:49 PM »
  Beauty/heavenlies and Bands/earthly

   reconciled as one to each otherMAN in UNION with HEAVEN

   angelic sons of God as ONE WITH THOSE ON EARTH

   angels of heaven ascending and descending on the son of man

   Daniel 12;1 Michael will stand up

   Rev 12;7 and there was war in heaven,Michael and his angels

  fought against the dragon,and the dragon and his angels

   But he was not strong enough and they lost their place in heaven.

   Rev19;14  and the armies of heaven were following him

   Rev 21  then I saw a new heaven and a new earth,for

  the first heaven and the first earth had passed away

  the Holy city is a square 4 corners of heaven encompassed as

 well as 4 corners of earth encompassed in the new city

  all that was scattered in the 4 corners of heaven and all that

is scattered on the 4 corners of earth is brought into unity/ONE

   the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY/HEAVEN and LAMB/EARTH

                  ARE ONE IN THE MIDST OF IT

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Re: Universal Reconciliation is not in the Bible
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2009, 09:24:21 PM »
. . . but God reconciling all in the heavens and all on the earth is (Colossians 1:20).  :laughing7:

i started a thread on this exact same topic at carm. here was the first response:

"""It is a reconciliation of those in heaven with those not in heaven at the time of His death. Those living and those who have died and risen to glory."""

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i responded and the thread died. alot of my threads die young?

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Re: Universal Reconciliation is not in the Bible
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2009, 09:36:38 PM »

i started a thread on this exact same topic at carm. here was the first response:

"""It is a reconciliation of those in heaven with those not in heaven at the time of His death. Those living and those who have died and risen to glory."""

 :dontknow:

i responded and the thread died. alot of my threads die young?

chuckt



Kudos if you was able to even respond to gobbeldy gook like that.    :thumbsup:


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Re: Universal Reconciliation is not in the Bible
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2009, 10:29:06 PM »
   Hey Tony;

   I don't think the 'term' universal  is an problem with God.

   One night many years ago..it was said to me

       U [a]N[d] I   VERSE

   it is a turning toward one another

   a turning of the hearts of the father unto the children...

   and a turning of the children's hearts unto the Father.

   so I kinda alway liked the term universal since then.

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Re: Universal Reconciliation is not in the Bible
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2009, 10:52:03 PM »
Sheila, I don't think God has a problem with the word "universal." But since He did not use it, I wonder if we should. Maybe it is just best to stick with "all"?
Just because God says He will save all mankind
does not necessarily mean He won't.

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Re: Universal Reconciliation is not in the Bible
« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2009, 10:57:22 PM »
 well, if it bothers your conscience to use it..you shouldn't..

  when we all are given our new PURE language...we shall not

  be speaking any tongues but the tongue of the angels

                                        Sheila

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Re: Universal Reconciliation is not in the Bible
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2009, 11:12:18 PM »
well, if it bothers your conscience to use it..you shouldn't..

  when we all are given our new PURE language...we shall not

  be speaking any tongues but the tongue of the angels

                                        Sheila

1Ti 6:3 If anyone is teaching differently and is not approaching with sound words, even those of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the teaching in accord with devoutness,

2Ti 1:13 Have a pattern of sound words, which you hear from me, in faith and love which are in Christ Jesus."

I don't know if "universal" is a sound word. Maybe it is. I just don't know. Kind of like "Trinity" and "Consubstantiation" and "transubstantiation". Where does one draw the line? :dontknow:
Just because God says He will save all mankind
does not necessarily mean He won't.

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Re: Universal Reconciliation is not in the Bible
« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2009, 11:26:20 PM »
well, if it bothers your conscience to use it..you shouldn't..

  when we all are given our new PURE language...we shall not

  be speaking any tongues but the tongue of the angels

                                        Sheila

1Ti 6:3 If anyone is teaching differently and is not approaching with sound words, even those of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the teaching in accord with devoutness,

2Ti 1:13 Have a pattern of sound words, which you hear from me, in faith and love which are in Christ Jesus."

I don't know if "universal" is a sound word. Maybe it is. I just don't know. Kind of like "Trinity" and "Consubstantiation" and "transubstantiation". Where does one draw the line? :dontknow:
Hi Bud,

have ya ever considered the PATTERN of SOUND words are WHOLESOME ones, thats speak the DOCTRINE of HIM, FOR EX-some folk USE the term millenium , which means a 1000, some use a DAY, some use Christ , some Use The first Resurrection,  Etc

for a WHOLESOME tongue is the TREE OF LIFE :icon_flower:

Pro 15:4 A wholesome tongue [is] a tree of life: but perverseness therein [is] a breach in the spirit. 

1Ti 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, [even] the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;

Just a Thought TT :2c:

Hows that Pup Bud..ate all ya slippers yet :laughing7:

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Isa 29:18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.

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Re: Universal Reconciliation is not in the Bible
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2009, 11:37:46 PM »
 



 well, I beleive LOVE AND TRUTH IS PURE IN ANY LANGUAGE


                               :HeartThrob:

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Re: Universal Reconciliation is not in the Bible
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2009, 11:48:24 PM »
well, if it bothers your conscience to use it..you shouldn't..

  when we all are given our new PURE language...we shall not

  be speaking any tongues but the tongue of the angels

                                        Sheila

1Ti 6:3 If anyone is teaching differently and is not approaching with sound words, even those of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the teaching in accord with devoutness,

2Ti 1:13 Have a pattern of sound words, which you hear from me, in faith and love which are in Christ Jesus."

I don't know if "universal" is a sound word. Maybe it is. I just don't know. Kind of like "Trinity" and "Consubstantiation" and "transubstantiation". Where does one draw the line? :dontknow:
Hi Bud,

have ya ever considered the PATTERN of SOUND words are WHOLESOME ones, thats speak the DOCTRINE of HIM, FOR EX-some folk USE the term millenium , which means a 1000, some use a DAY, some use Christ , some Use The first Resurrection,  Etc

for a WHOLESOME tongue is the TREE OF LIFE :icon_flower:

Pro 15:4 A wholesome tongue [is] a tree of life: but perverseness therein [is] a breach in the spirit. 

1Ti 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, [even] the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;

Just a Thought TT :2c:

Hows that Pup Bud..ate all ya slippers yet :laughing7:

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Thanks taffy for the good thoughts.
The pup is really a good one. Rather than slippers, she gets my undies and socks and brings them into the living room to chew on. But she doesn't really hurt them any.

Shiela, yes, love and truth is pure in any language!

TT
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Re: Universal Reconciliation is not in the Bible
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2009, 11:54:41 PM »
well, if it bothers your conscience to use it..you shouldn't..

  when we all are given our new PURE language...we shall not

  be speaking any tongues but the tongue of the angels

                                        Sheila

1Ti 6:3 If anyone is teaching differently and is not approaching with sound words, even those of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the teaching in accord with devoutness,

2Ti 1:13 Have a pattern of sound words, which you hear from me, in faith and love which are in Christ Jesus."

I don't know if "universal" is a sound word. Maybe it is. I just don't know. Kind of like "Trinity" and "Consubstantiation" and "transubstantiation". Where does one draw the line? :dontknow:
Hi Bud,

have ya ever considered the PATTERN of SOUND words are WHOLESOME ones, thats speak the DOCTRINE of HIM, FOR EX-some folk USE the term millenium , which means a 1000, some use a DAY, some use Christ , some Use The first Resurrection,  Etc

for a WHOLESOME tongue is the TREE OF LIFE :icon_flower:

Pro 15:4 A wholesome tongue [is] a tree of life: but perverseness therein [is] a breach in the spirit. 

1Ti 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, [even] the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;

Just a Thought TT :2c:

Hows that Pup Bud..ate all ya slippers yet :laughing7:

 :icon_flower:

Thanks taffy for the good thoughts.
The pup is really a good one. Rather than slippers, she gets my undies and socks and brings them into the living room to chew on. But she doesn't really hurt them any.

Shiela, yes, love and truth is pure in any language!

TT
:icon_flower:
hey TT, CLEAN socks and Y-Fronts I hope... :laughing7:...

Got ours by my feet as I type, sleeping and making some foul like smells ,She like chewings the sweeping Brush of all things....Shes a Character for sure....

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Isa 29:18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.

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Re: Universal Reconciliation is not in the Bible
« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2009, 11:55:53 PM »


   what kind of puppy do you have,Tony?


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Re: Universal Reconciliation is not in the Bible
« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2009, 02:10:59 AM »
UR is in the middle of every chURch

I know some univeralists may be uncomfortable with the label universalist or Christian universalist., maybe because they get the response that you won't find "universalism" in the Bible (you won't find rapture, trinity, afterlife, resurrection of the body, eternal torment, eternal hell, separation from God either). May I make a suggestion if you're looking for a Biblical term to describe your faith? How about saying I believe in the Restitution of All Things (Acts 3:21) That spells RAT!! So you can say
I'm a RAT, because I believe in RAT.  :laughing7:

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Re: Universal Reconciliation is not in the Bible
« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2009, 10:03:32 AM »
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1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Universal Reconciliation is not in the Bible
« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2009, 12:18:06 PM »
This is an odd Google search:

rat in the Bible

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Re: Universal Reconciliation is not in the Bible
« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2009, 01:08:26 PM »
I think reconciliation of the whole would be the biblical term, in German we say 'Allversoehnung'

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Re: Universal Reconciliation is not in the Bible
« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2009, 01:33:44 AM »


   what kind of puppy do you have,Tony?


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A contented puppy  :laughing7:
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« Reply #18 on: March 22, 2009, 03:16:51 AM »


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Re: Universal Reconciliation is not in the Bible
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She is part long haird chihuahua (mother) and part small poodle (father).

The pup most likely will not get much heavier than 5 pounds.
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Re: Universal Reconciliation is not in the Bible
« Reply #20 on: March 31, 2009, 10:16:08 AM »
Quote from: Tony N

She is part long haird chihuahua (mother) and part small poodle (father).

The pup most likely will not get much heavier than 5 pounds.
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 Hard to believe a dog of 5 pounds, our old Tommy cat that died last december wieghed 17 pounds, I sure miss that old cat
he used to follow me all around the place when I was working out doors and just set and watch, out in the shop he used to climb
the ladder that I used to stand on while replacing B/O shop lights or sometimes jump on the work bench and rattle my tools around when he wanted me to let him back into the house. I hope you have your little dog with you for a good many years to come Tony.

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