Hi SeekerSA,
Thank you for reading my post and giving your feedback.
I take your message to heart about simplifying what I have to offer. I suffer from a background in hard-science and would really like to write an article for PhD physicists (thus my over the top style), but feel guided to offer the message in Biblical terms at first. Clearly, I need to submit my mind more deeply to the Lord and let a message of simplicity emerge that can be spoken from the mouth of a child. I hope this post is better.
I never considered parallel time lines and that is an interesting perspective yet the concept still ends off with a common goal. I am guessing here but in a nutshell are you saying the ET folk will have the heaven they espouse and the UR folk the heaven they espous or IOW what we conceive in our minds becomes our personal relative reality?
I can relate to that as I have always seen the relationship to the Father to be a one-One and what we share here has commonality only in certain areas.
The logic of divine causation supports UR 100%, I guess I could have written it more clearly. On the one hand I do affirm a one-one relationship with God, and hence a personal relative reality of sorts in that people can choose to reject God's Grace and Will on many different versions of history, and as a punishment fail to be born in a great many versions of history, an experience that could be truly hellish. But since we are created in the image of God, there eventually comes a point where everyone will heed the call. In this regard, UR comes via a relentless movement sideways in time into versions of history in which all people eventually turn to God and do His Will, even if from the perspective of mundane time they may have died the most unrepentant of sinners. From a strict linear-time perspective there is the illusion of non-redemption for unrepentant sinners, but it is just that, an illusion. From the perspective of a higher, sideways dimension of time in which God overcomes all sin, UR is an obvious reality.
As for remembering our past, I think it is all there still, we just do not know how to access those memories. Hypnotism shows that this can be achieved. Possibly at conversion/enlightenment, a lock is placed on those non critical issues yet there is the matter of inner healing - a process of dealing with traumatic past events in that the brain blocks out these memories. The process of inner healing brings these out via divine revelation and then one is helped to forgive the offender and "replace" that memory with say a scripture. Having been through that process, it possibly can work as there we blocked things in my mind that were unblocked and dealt with, the memory is there but the pain associated is gone.
So in the case of suggesting the past can be altered, yes in a way but in reality is more just a present mechanism in dealing with a bad past experience, if I can still remember that which traumatised me but now no longer has any bearing on my present psyche then the past did happen and only the memories are changed.
I am not in any way referring to forms of healing in which the trauma of a bad event has been expunged from one's psyche, but the memories of the event remain. I honor these lesser forms of healing, but in this thread I'm talking about a process in which Jesus Christ brings the forgiveness of the victims and repentance of the offenders together under His Power to excise bad events from the flow of history such that from a mundane perspective they "never happened in the first place." Indeed, Jesus is continually tweaking the whole of history with the greatest of artistry. Moreover, the deepest form of surrender possible is the forgiveness, repentance, and humility by which our own personal history can be changed, a depth of surrender in which we offer ourself to Jesus the same way a bride offers herself to her husband, and by which we become "pregnant" with the great blossoming of life that awaits. It is this surrender that leads to the full outpouring of the Holy Spirit by which we can move simultaneously forward and sideways in time, and thereby "change timelines" without physically dying.
Well in the sense that memories being completely obliterated, that would give credence to the ET perspective where they believe that together with tears being wiped away, memories will go too. Now if that is true, I sure would not like that scenario but if it was eradicated, I would not be aware of my memories in the first place so it would not matter. Pretty much like the movie MIB with that magic pen of theirs.
I believe our memories remain intact. Now for Hitler and serial killers that alone would drive them nutz and would be hell in itself. However the bible does say "behold I create all things anew" If we then stay on the recall/remanufacture scenario then what purpose does this life then serve? If we are to learn exponentially and then just get zapped with no recall then any POV of religion/faith is OK as it matters not.
I think this could be a dangerous line of thinking as that really portrays a message of no matter what you do, it does not matter and I do not think that is the message of UR.
As I understand it, memories remain intact on a spiritual level until an alternate timeline unfolds, and yes Hitler's soul is in a temporary hell of sorts, and given the description of near-death experiences it can be quite hellish. In regard to the purpose of life, the choices we make really do matter, for the events in our life inspired by love, truth, righteousness, brotherhood, humility, charity, etc. are harvested by Jesus and tend to persist over even the most radical of changes to the flow of history, even if the details of our life are radically shuffled. And even if some worthy events disappear on some versions of history, they "will" tend to reappear over and over on other versions of history. The bad events; however, tend to disappear forever, and with continued sideways-in-time movement even the mediocre events will disappear, for such is the Power and Grace of God in the working of our salvation.
Notwithstanding the continual tweaking of history by Jesus, big changes can occur when versions of history get zapped by the Father because the entire planet has gone badly off course, with the classic example being a "previous" version of history in which Nazi Germany won WWII and conquered the entire planet. Philip K. Dick wrote a couple of books of pulp science fiction with this as the setting. In his memoirs, he wrote that God showed him that his setting was nonfiction and that it really did happen, and as a result he was too nauseated at the horror of what happened to finish the third book of the series. Likewise, an all out nuclear war may have already happened on many previous versions of history, I have no definite knowledge of such, but if so the "big zap" is definitely the most merciful thing that could have happened.
PK Dick went on to say that God showed him that history not only unfolds forward-in-time as seen from the view of man, but also it unfolds sideways-in-time due to the ever present grace of God to save a fallen humanity from itself, and that this sideways-in-time change brings a continuous qualitative improvement to the nature of life via the grace of God as described above. It's easy to dismiss his ideas as the ravings of a madman who took too much LSD, but three things convinced me to accept his idea of continuous sideways-in-time improvement as truth:
1. His idea of sideways-in-time evolution correlates perfectly with the logic of time-symmetric thermodynamics which I read just prior to his memoirs, a system of hard scientific logic based on the application of quantum wave/particle duality to the definition of entropy and the reality of "vital energy" as a flow of backward-in-time energy.
2. He was adamant that the entire process of sideways-in-time movement was anchored in the cross and that the events of the early Christian era are still playing out despite the appearance of being 2000 years in the past, and after 14 years of research I have found a very detailed correlation between the above logic and the message of the Bible.
3. He said that God flipped the outcome of WWII by altering the outcome of several key events, something that dovetails perfectly with the historical record in that Hitler would have won were it not for a string of miraculous events wherein a single decision by Hitler or single small event could have completely flipped the war's outcome.
I think that which you are suggesting is a way of covering all bases whereas the message of UR does it similar only that the channel or door WAY in is via Jesus Christ where every knee (believers and unbelievers) shall bow.
Salvation is certainly via Jesus Christ, all I'm talking about is the "mechanism." Sorry for not making this clear. The key issue is that the salvation we receive by grace must reflect itself outwardly in good works either on this version of history or some other so that the whole world may eventually know the grace of God both inwardly and outwardly, and receive the destiny that the Father has decreed for the whole of humanity. Please consider the roles of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit in this:
1. The Father decrees a reality that: a) is 100% lawful/self-consistent as an reflection of His Truth, b) has sideways-in-time potential as a reflection of His Mercy, and c) has stupendous potential for life as a reflection of His Life. Pursuant to this, the Father decrees a transcendent cosmic destiny with a population in or beyond the sextillions where love, truth, humility, charity, righteousness, and brotherhood prevail on those versions of history in which humans freely embrace His Will.
2. The Son harvests the events of each person's life that are consistent with the Father's Will and weaves them into "future" versions of history as mentioned earlier. It is solely via Jesus that the memories and goodness of our lives are not only saved in the sideways movement from one version of history to the next, but saved so thoroughly that we have but one internally coherent life, albeit sideways in time with mundane memories and destinies that vary along the way.
3. The Holy Spirit inspires to the love, truth, righteousness, brotherhood, humility, and good works that will eventually lead humanity to the destiny decreed by the Father. To the extent that a Christian or even a non-Christian receives the Holy Spirit, the events of one's life will be like the threads of a beautiful tapestry. If one refuses/blasphemes the Holy Spirit there will be very little for Jesus to save from one version of history to the next.
To use a metaphor, I see time as a two-dimensional tapestry in which mundane time goes forward from left to right, and different versions of history build from bottom to top. The two dimensional structure is hinted at in the curious phrase in Revelation, "the ages of the ages" (i.e. ages sideways in time of ages of mundane time), one of the many places where the exact literal translation of the Bible hints at something of great significance. The left hand-edge of the tapestry glows with preternatural brilliance in representing the original creation prior to the sin of Adam. The bottom part of the tapestry is browns, greys, and other dark colors mixed with areas of pure black when we refuse Spirit entirely. This portion represent the versions of history most deeply entangled with the fall, and includes versions of history such as those in which Hitler won WWII. As we follow the tapestry upwards, the colors get lighter as versions of history come into existence in which our lives are more righteous, and when we find salvation in Christ, some of the events of our lives begin to glow with the brilliance of the original creation. This portion includes more "recent" versions of history in which Hitler lost WWII, and going a bit higher will include versions of history in which Hitler was removed from power in a coup. Going still higher, the events of our lives will form an increasingly beautiful artwork, and will include more enlightened versions of history in which WWI ended on much less vindictive terms, Hitler was a successful artist, and WWII never even happened, and so on.
This hypothesis also nullifies the reincarnation model as why come back if each time you return zapped with a clean sheet? Surely if reincarnation is true, we should have memories of what we did wrong. The reincarnation aspect IMO leaves too much to chance and is no better a theology of the ET folk that say you need to geddit right in this lifetime also based on chance. Furthermore, the population growth is such that the recycling of souls seems implausible otherwise we would have a consistent population count meaning every death is followed by a birth 1:1 Now we all know that the population has increased and in fact in other areas like in Europe decreased. Most families trend is replacement only yet there are still many that have more than 2 children. So how then does your hypothesis deal with birth control? That is an unnatural causation hence if I and my wife used not BC we could well have had 21 children by now. Also they say some BC methods are mini abortions meaning that there was a fertilization that took place but the body is forced to reject the embryo, and I am not talking about the abortion pill.
The logic of divine causation affirms the creation of a new soul each time a person is conceived as per mainstream Christian theology, a soul that will never die and will eventually find its place on numerous timelines that partake of the cosmic destiny in perfect harmony with universalist theology. Reincarnation requires a separate thread, but suffice to say that a tremendous amount of confusion arises from the failure of both Christians and non-Christians to properly distinguish between souls which do not "reincarnate" but instead seek resurrection in parallel timelines whereby they can expunge memories of evil, and spirits of power which "reincarnate" in the way Elijah "reincarnated" as John the Baptist, and will again "reincarnate" in the "end-times" as per Malachi 4:5-6 and Matthew 17:11. Far more important, is the fact that soul represents the entanglement of time-reverse "vital energy" with the matter and energy of the mundane realm, an energy needed for the self-organization of that person's body and maintenance of health at all stages of growth and development. And because this vital energy is of an inherently time-reverse nature, its entanglement with the mundane realm via a conception can never be reversed, even if a person's body dies or is aborted.
As far as BC and abortion go, there is no human action that more entangles humanity with its fallenness than abortion as a means of birth control, especially in the context of promiscuous sexuality, for it is God's Will that every soul receive His/Her full measure of life. As such, a host of aborted fetuses with even one partner is bad, and with an array of partners its creates a royal mess that Jesus will have to eventually straighten out in alternate timelines via the shuffling of partners. And since the hidden abortions inherent to hormonal contraceptives and other forms of BC occur at 6-10 times the rate of reported abortions, the situation is much worse than most are aware of, thus instead of having 50 million cumulative abortions in the US since 1973, there have really been 300-500 million abortions. Even worse are the myriad embryos that could be created and destroyed if the procedures for producing medical stem cells do not safeguard the life of embryos but instead treat them as an industrial resource. This could easily result in myriads of embryos being created from people who have never even met each other, yet in alternate timelines would have to meet each other and at the very least conceive and birth these "industrial embryos."
Jesus will save every one of these aborted souls and assure that they receive the fullness of life via the creation of alternate timelines, and will do so without violating the self-consistency of reality that has been decreed by the Father. The caveat is that the number of fetuses now being aborted is so huge that humanity is rapidly approaching the limit of what can be repaired within of constraint of universal self-consistency, at which point the Father will intervene and mandate apocalyptic destruction. In short, the unintegrated vital energy of aborted and murdered people can only be repaired via sideways movement in time by which these people can be restored to life. We may not be aware of this repair process because our memories change with the changing of the past, but it is very real. And if the unintegrated vital energy of murdered and aborted people builds up faster than it is being repaired, God will let this version of history self-destruct to prevent temporal paradox.
It is not preordained that a destructive scenario must occur, for people can always turn their hearts to God. But it is preordained that if abortions, murder, and war continue on a large scale, then Islamic and ecological fanaticism will build to monumental levels of mass-insanity at the exact same moment the global economic system is collapsing due to trade imbalances and runaway debts, at which point this version of history will be toast. And given the gross misdirection of global society that now exists, the only real hope is a major "end-time" Pentecost that turns the hearts of people to God while at the same time radically increasing our movement sideways in time. The key to this "end-time" Pentecost is the Bible, and if we don't unlock the full meaning of God's Word ASAP, we'll be begging God's forgiveness in failing the great commission, and begging Jesus for the big "memory zap" by which we could forget the horror of apocalyptic destruction via the creation of an alternate timeline.
So I guess you are saying in a parallel timeline I may be the father of 21 kids or more considering my messing around before I got married, hence I could end up with multiple wives and they too will have multiple husbands Maybe that is why it states we are not male nor female and are NOT given in marriage.
Yes, you may indeed be the father of 21 kids given the spontaneous abortions inherent to most forms of BC, and regardless of the exact number, rest assured you will love them and be there as a father on a great many "future" versions of history. And yes, it is for this reason that Jesus said we will not marry nor be given in marriage in the Kingdom of Heaven. Someday as humanity moves sideways in time high up in the tapestry of time, you, many of your partners, and many of their partners may live in a communal marriage, but this will happen in God's Time on unfallen versions of history in which scripture itself will affirm this. (Indeed, the one way the Bible itself can legitimately change is in our movement sideways in time, for God is in no way constrained to the exact same message from timeline to timeline.) For now, our challenge is to humbly accept the Bible we now have, unlock its many secrets, and by this means prevent apocalyptic destruction.
