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jabcat:
There used to be an old song I knew when I was a kid, "If Jesus Came to Your House".  It talked about would there be any evidence of being saved/a Christian.  I've been thinking lately - if someone came to TM that didn't know Jesus, would there be the things here that would be obvious enough to introduce them to Him?  Would they see Jesus, would they actually be able to readily find and hear the message of how they can come into relationship with Him, i.e., "call on the name of the Lord and you will be saved";  "believe in your heart and confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus,and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved"?  And again, "call on the name of the Lord and you will be saved. How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher?"

With so many people going the way of New Age, Gnosticism, and just plain old error away from the scripture, I am very happy to have found this post from Martin, which is quoting Gary Amirault, owner of TM.  I've included the following excerpt for all our consideration, and hopefully, edification.

"[The aforementioned forms of Universalism] is NOT the universalism of Tentmaker Ministries, or true Christian universalism. We have nothing to do with the various forms of the New Age Movement. There is only one Name under heaven by which one must be saved as far as Gary Amirault and Tentmaker Ministries goes -- that name is Jesus the Christ (English), Yeshua Ha Machiach (Hebrew), Iesus Christos (Greek). There are no "ascended masters" as far as we are concerned. Everything we believe centers around the Father of Creation, His Son Whom the Father sent to redeem the world and His Holy Spirit, Whom Jesus sent to "lead us into all truth."

While we, at Tentmaker Ministries are glad Carlton Pearson has abandoned the traditional belief that most people are going to endlessly burn in Hell, we do not hold to some key positions which seem to come from Carlton Pearson's teachings. We do NOT believe all mankind is presently "saved."[/b] At present, our Father is calling out a people among the Gentiles to be joined with a people called out of Israel of old who will become a many-membered Body of Christ who will one day set all creation free from its bondage to corruption. To enter Christ's Body, one must be born from above. Most people will NOT be born from above in this lifetime, they will be called by the Word of God, Jesus at a later time. But as sure as Jesus is both the Lord of the living AND THE DEAD and as sure as He has the keys to both Death and Hell/hades, all of those who died in Adam (which is all humanity) will be made alive in Christ. The grave does not stop He who has all power and authority. When Jesus' enemies are destroyed, the last one being death, then Jesus will gather all mankind and deliver it to God the Father that our Father may be "all in all." (1 Cor. 15:22-28)

We do not believe members of other religions are "saved" at this time. Salvation, which is much more than life after death, comes only through Jesus. Salvation, in the Hebrew sense (not in the traditional Evangelical sense) means to make whole, to heal, to restore, to deliver. Salvation should be just as much our possession on this side of the grave as on the other. We, who have been given salvation should be sharing that salvation through the fruit in our lives by being joined to Christ. We should be ministering to the lost through the gifts of the Holy Spirit He has deposited in us. We should be the salt of the earth, we should be its light. If God wanted to save the entire planet today, He easily could. But He has a plan. In that plan, salvation is extended to people in an order, that order extends beyond our present age. We also believe in evangelism. People come to Christ through the gospel, through preaching the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. If one believes everyone is already saved, there is no point in sharing the gospel. We believe this is a mistake. We also believe that as one sows, so shall they reap. There is a liberality among those who teach the Doctrine of Inclusion which violates a whole host of Scriptures dealing with restraining the body with its lusts. Some teach there is no more such thing as sin. We believe in Holiness, not necessarily the Holiness Pentecostal form of heavy legalism, but we believe God holds us accountable to living a moral and orderly life." - Gary Amirault, Tentmaker Ministries

May we always share the truth in love.  God IS love.  James.

Seth:

--- Quote from: jabcat on October 17, 2009, 05:41:58 AM ---There used to be an old song I knew when I was a kid, "If Jesus Came to Your House".  It talked about would there be any evidence of being saved/a Christian.  I've been thinking lately - if someone came to TM that didn't know Jesus, would there be the things here that would be obvious enough to introduce them to Him?  Would they see Jesus, would they actually be able to readily find and hear the message of how they can come into relationship with Him, i.e., "call on the name of the Lord and you will be saved";  "believe in your heart and confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus,and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved"?  And again, "call on the name of the Lord and you will be saved. How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher?"

With so many people going the way of New Age, Gnosticism, and just plain old error away from the scripture, I am very happy to have found this post from Martin, which is quoting Gary Amirault, owner of TM.  I've included the following excerpt for all our consideration, and hopefully, edification.

"[The aforementioned forms of Universalism] is NOT the universalism of Tentmaker Ministries, or true Christian universalism. We have nothing to do with the various forms of the New Age Movement. There is only one Name under heaven by which one must be saved as far as Gary Amirault and Tentmaker Ministries goes -- that name is Jesus the Christ (English), Yeshua Ha Machiach (Hebrew), Iesus Christos (Greek). There are no "ascended masters" as far as we are concerned. Everything we believe centers around the Father of Creation, His Son Whom the Father sent to redeem the world and His Holy Spirit, Whom Jesus sent to "lead us into all truth."

While we, at Tentmaker Ministries are glad Carlton Pearson has abandoned the traditional belief that most people are going to endlessly burn in Hell, we do not hold to some key positions which seem to come from Carlton Pearson's teachings. We do NOT believe all mankind is presently "saved."[/b] At present, our Father is calling out a people among the Gentiles to be joined with a people called out of Israel of old who will become a many-membered Body of Christ who will one day set all creation free from its bondage to corruption. To enter Christ's Body, one must be born from above. Most people will NOT be born from above in this lifetime, they will be called by the Word of God, Jesus at a later time. But as sure as Jesus is both the Lord of the living AND THE DEAD and as sure as He has the keys to both Death and Hell/hades, all of those who died in Adam (which is all humanity) will be made alive in Christ. The grave does not stop He who has all power and authority. When Jesus' enemies are destroyed, the last one being death, then Jesus will gather all mankind and deliver it to God the Father that our Father may be "all in all." (1 Cor. 15:22-28)

We do not believe members of other religions are "saved" at this time. Salvation, which is much more than life after death, comes only through Jesus. Salvation, in the Hebrew sense (not in the traditional Evangelical sense) means to make whole, to heal, to restore, to deliver. Salvation should be just as much our possession on this side of the grave as on the other. We, who have been given salvation should be sharing that salvation through the fruit in our lives by being joined to Christ. We should be ministering to the lost through the gifts of the Holy Spirit He has deposited in us. We should be the salt of the earth, we should be its light. If God wanted to save the entire planet today, He easily could. But He has a plan. In that plan, salvation is extended to people in an order, that order extends beyond our present age. We also believe in evangelism. People come to Christ through the gospel, through preaching the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. If one believes everyone is already saved, there is no point in sharing the gospel. We believe this is a mistake. We also believe that as one sows, so shall they reap. There is a liberality among those who teach the Doctrine of Inclusion which violates a whole host of Scriptures dealing with restraining the body with its lusts. Some teach there is no more such thing as sin. We believe in Holiness, not necessarily the Holiness Pentecostal form of heavy legalism, but we believe God holds us accountable to living a moral and orderly life." - Gary Amirault, Tentmaker Ministries

May we always share the truth in love.  God IS love.  James.

--- End quote ---

Fantastic. Thank you for posting that.  :thumbsup: :HeartThrob:

Already reconciled by his death while enemies, but SAVED by his LIFE when believing.

WhiteWings:
Hi LD2,

I think works still count.....

1 Corinthians 3:13-15 
Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

=> works are of no use then there is no need to test them...

Revelation 20:13  And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

WhiteWings:
Matthew 25:32-43  And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:  33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.  34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:  35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:  36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.  37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?  38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?  39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?  40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.  41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:  42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:  43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

I read nothing spiritual there. I only read about helping the misfortuned in society.
Note that I'm not saying believing in Jesus is not needed. I'm saying that works are also judged.

Hischosen:
Yes works is judged. No question.
I want you to know that all books in the new testament I place in order of who they where designed for when written. I use them all but there not all for me as a Gentile. Like Matt. Mark. Luke. John ,,,I am a follower of Paul and his good news.

Lee Damboise II

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