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Re: The transfiguration
« Reply #25 on: November 29, 2010, 07:04:21 AM »
 :cloud9: I think some have the idea that a vision means it's not "real". It's actually a suspension of what is considered reality around us, to reveal what is the true reality. That it was real to the disciples, is evidenced by their desire to build THREE booths, not one. My  :2c: Blessings....
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Re: The transfiguration
« Reply #26 on: November 29, 2010, 07:13:38 AM »
The Word and the Spirit--that's what my man Adam had in Paradise when he 'heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day.  [Gen 3:8]

He hears the voice [the Word] ^walking^ in Paradise-- in the

"cool"
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rûach
roo'-akh
From H7306; wind; by resemblance breath, that is, a sensible (or even violent) exhalation; figuratively life, anger, unsubstantiality; by extension a region of the sky; by resemblance spirit, but only of a rational being (including its expression and functions): - air, anger, blast, breath, X cool, courage, mind, X quarter, X side, spirit ([-ual]), tempest, X vain, ([whirl-]) wind (-y).

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The Word walking in the Spirit of the tree of life.

I see men as trees walking.



Give us this day our daily bread that we might be transformed by the daily renewing of our minds.  Amen.
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Re: The transfiguration
« Reply #27 on: November 29, 2010, 03:41:41 PM »



Yes, the Word and the Spirit joined together bring transformation. That's just how it is when we read the Bible. Without the spirit to quicken the words they are just dead letters.

Something occurred to me last night as I read the same story again for the umpteenth time.

The creation of Adam was twofold.

First, God created Adam as spirit and then the Lord God formed the physical body of Adam from the dust of the earth.
It was when God breathed the spiritual Adam into the physical Adam that Adam became a a living "soul."

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Re: The transfiguration
« Reply #28 on: November 29, 2010, 06:36:06 PM »
:cloud9: I think some have the idea that a vision means it's not "real". It's actually a suspension of what is considered reality around us, to reveal what is the true reality. That it was real to the disciples, is evidenced by their desire to build THREE booths, not one. My  :2c: Blessings....

Other than them wanting to do the religious thing and build monuments, what effect did it have on the three, Peter, James and John? A vision is not real, but a vision can become real. I believe the three were "some of those standing here." And that vision was for their work after they were converted.
Luk 9:27 Now I am saying to you, truly there are some of those standing here who under no circumstances should be tasting death till they should be perceiving the kingdom of God."
Mar 9:1 And He said to them, "Verily, I am saying to you that there are some of those standing here who under no circumstances should be tasting death till they should be perceiving the kingdom of God having come in power."
Mat 16:27 Verily I am saying to you that there are some of those standing here who under no circumstances should be tasting death till they should be perceiving the Son of Mankind coming in His kingdom."
Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

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Re: The transfiguration
« Reply #29 on: November 30, 2010, 06:59:49 AM »

 :cloud9: They saw the spiritual/heavenly pattern of the Ark of the Covenant standing before them, ie. the two cherubim on either side of Him (who it is given to sit at His right hand and at His left), just like the two on the Ark.

And so, knowing what they saw was in the Holy of Holies in pattern, and therefore the 3rd main feast in pattern also (Tabernacles), they responded as any Jewish man would, having rehearsed Elijah's return at the meal (they set a place for Elijah who is to come) ie. "Let us make 3 booths (tabernacles)". They didn't understand the full implications of what they'd seen yet, ie. His Kingdom is not of this world, it was sort of "dress rehearsal" for our benefit, the heirs of salvation in the end of the age. My  :2c: Blessings....

That's the best explanation I've ever heard about the transfiguration.. I never knew about "they set a place for Elijah who was to come".. and have always sensed what you wrote about a "dress rehearsal" (a sort of seeing into eternity) but never had the words for it!  :thumbsup:
- Is it written? no repentance after death? if resurrected still in ones sins (2nd Resurrection) will be weeping and wailing? Holy Days - Trumpets, Atonement, Tabernacles prophecy the three peaks of His long 2nd advent? Is weeping & wailing the beginning of the redemptive process?
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Re: The transfiguration
« Reply #30 on: November 30, 2010, 07:58:55 PM »
 :cloud9: The Orthodox Jews STILL set a place at the meal for Elijah, to this day......
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Re: The transfiguration
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Re: The transfiguration
« Reply #32 on: December 12, 2010, 06:40:16 AM »
An ancillary point made by Jesus' metamorphosis prior to death, resurrection and acension is that significant events in the plan of God are not bound to happen according to some prearranged order we assume to be right.  This is the repeated and glaring mistake of dispensationalism. "This happens, then that, followed in turn by some other thing promised," or so they assure us.  Yet often there is nothing in the word that presents their chronology of what they call "end times" events.  I've experienced things that pertain, at least in fortaste, to the Feast of Tabernacles.  Because it is in God doesn't mean it's here yet.  I suspect that these increase in number and intensity as we approach the threshold of entry into the change of being born physically of God.  Perhaps it becomes the habit of our "in Christ" nature as we walk with God.

"Peace Follows Each New Transition" (Is the title of a song by Bobby and Charlotte Torango at The House of the Lord.)  It's on the list on CD2 http://www.thehouseofthelord.com/Music_Ministry_CD2.html

These are precious saints who have held forth the "all" message for many years.  Here, on CD3 is, "We'll Sing, Dance and Tell" http://www.thehouseofthelord.com/Music_Ministry_CD3.html

Here's one I like:  "Come Into This Place Ascension"  It's on CD3 http://www.thehouseofthelord.com/Music_Ministry_CD3.html

CD4 "This Ministry Came Out Of Hell, My Friend"

The thing that many people who're just going on hearsay believe to be "the (2nd) coming" is of a Jesus basically like the one Who walked on the shores of Galilee: Adamic and still made of mud.  What I believe will happen is more like Jesus' Transfiguration.  This is only one of the sort things we are to be anticipating as we cross over into the Millennial Age.

You really are supposed to glow in the dark!

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Re: The transfiguration
« Reply #33 on: December 12, 2010, 09:58:04 AM »
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What I believe will happen is more like Jesus' Transfiguration.  This is only one of the sort things we are to be anticipating as we cross over into the Millennial Age.

You really are supposed to glow in the dark!

Yes!


Matthew 24:27
For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.


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G796
ἀστραπή
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From G797; lightning; by analogy glare: - lightning, bright shining.




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Re: The transfiguration
« Reply #34 on: December 12, 2010, 06:35:39 PM »
 :cloud9: @ Reformer......I can't add enough AMEN'S....... :2thumbs:

I do know what you mean and that's true too, ie. manifested fully for the world to see, yet the Feast of Tabernacles has always "been here"; it's like a room in a great house, whose door we were not allowed to open until the time apppointed of the Father, each man in his own order. Blessings.....
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Re: The transfiguration
« Reply #35 on: December 12, 2010, 08:56:03 PM »
Feast of Tabernacles, Wedding Supper of the Lamb, the heavenly Jerusalem "coming down out of the heavens", the overcomers "ascending in the cloud".......

Ahhh! The glory of the Lord is ours! His beauty has been shed abroad for those who'll drink it!

The Spirit and the Bride say "Come! Drink Freely of the Water of Life"

Manna- "What is it?"

Spirit- "This is That!"

Manna feeds us and makes us thirsty

Spirit flows from the rock and gives us life- fruit of the Spirit, healing for the nations, God as the all in all.
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Re: The transfiguration
« Reply #36 on: December 12, 2010, 09:57:11 PM »
 :cloud9: AMEN  :thumbsup:
"I would rather train twenty men to pray, than a thousand to preach; A minister's highest mission ought to be to teach his people to pray." -H. MacGregor