Author Topic: Jesus came as the Savior - not just of some people, but of the entire cosmos  (Read 2365 times)

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Offline ded2daworld

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Thanks victoriousgospel and welcome!
My beef with evolution is that it says it's science and compatible with the Bible but it isn't in either case.
(spontaneous abiogenesis like you mentioned is a biggie, my main biggie is that evolutionists want us to believe that all this stuff came from nothing and our most learned scientists today cannot duplicate the "accidents" of evolution.
Where it disagrees with the Bible is evolutionists have death way, way ,way before sin (they don't actually acknowledge sin even) and Jesus said 'In the beginning, God created them male and female (contrary to asexual division that evolutionists claim. And God himself wrote with his own finger on the stone tablets given to Moses, "In 6 days God created the heavens and the earth and on the seventh day he rested" He could've created everything instantly but took a whole week to show us what was best for us with our week. If death, suffering and disease came before sin why would have God said "It's all good!" More importantly, we follow Jesus and he took the scriptures at their word. He would say it is written it is written not God meant to say this when he inspired men to write that.
"Why do so many people think that the Bible is only inspired at certain points -  and that  THEY are inspired to pick out which points?"

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I am all for real science. Testable repeatable observable science.
I am against evolution because it's not testable, repeatable or observable. Therefore it is not science.
And i'm not talking evolution like different varieties of dogs, dogs will always give birth to other dogs. That is of course observable. What has never been observed is one kind of animal becoming another kind, like a dog mating with a cat and getting a dat or cog... or a giraffe turning into anything or coming from anything.
Evolutionists say we came from the ape family because we have similarities to apes. Ask them though and they will honestly tell you they have no idea where the ape family came from. Similarity does not mean relationship.
And howcome evolutionist only find bones of ancient man (that looks like an ape), but never seem to find bones of any apes?

Anyway, don't get me started. It's not that important compared to UR and the word of God :Peace2:
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Ded I've got to disagree with you about the Bible not being a mystical book or there being multiple interpretations to it.  You keep speaking of plain meaning, which is what we hear from the ET'ers too.  Yet the letter kills.  Not to mention that the "plain meaning" is very heavily influenced by the RCC, the KJV etc, christian tradition etc.  I used to be a 6 day creationist.  Now I don't view Gen 1 as having anything to do with the creation of the literal earth, or at least not the highest meaning of it.  No it is the creation of the new man.  Did you know that the Jews considered Gen 1:1 had 70 different meanings like facets to a diamond. 

You may also want to google: PARDE'S

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I see where your coming from red, I just believe personnally, for me, I must treat the scriptures as Jesus did. My  :2c:
It is written. it is written. Jesus nowhere corrects and says anything along the lines of It is written like this but it really has a mystical meaning or means something different or God just couldn't get Moses, David, Paul, John(whoever) to write it down exactly what I really meant to say. I will agree that there close to as many interpretations as there are people that read it. It means something different to everyone. :Peace2:
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I'm concerned that when he sees you he will say, "Why didn't you believe my word?" and then all your "reasons and justifications" for not heeding God's word will be gone.

IMO   the person who can imagine ,when they see God the Father
 and stand in front of him and hears him say well done faithful servant.

If this same person then says when he imagines you standing before God
that hears God saying to you WHY DIDN'T YOU BELIEVE .

You need to run . What this person is really saying is if you disagree with me
you are  also disagreeing with God. 

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It's okay you didn't use my name Daj.
For the first part, "the well done good and faithful servant" is what I long and hope and pray to hear, certainly no guarantee.
The second part of why didn't you believe my word has nothing to do with agreeing with me, it's my fear for those that can casually change the word of God to suit them. for example, ET people that say God didn't mean "the saviour of the world" when the word says "Jesus Christ the saviour of the world" it means something else because it conflicts with my current belief.

And it's certainly OK to disagree with me, I would not grow as quickly without iron sharpening iron. I sure don't have all the answers. But God does and it's in His word. :Peace2:
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The bible has a plain meaning and it has a spiritual meaning, and the latter is the message for us, not the former, except where the plain and spiritual meaning are the same, ie "thou shalt not kill" - although Martin Luther said the spiritual meaning of "thou shalt not kill" is "make sure your neighbor doesn't die" (ie get him to a doctor when he's sick).

What's the point of taking off your shoes before God? And how does that make you pleasing to God?

Holiness is not about taking off your shoes, but having intimate contact with what is holy.

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Anti - the provision to take off your shoes back then was to differentiate between regular and holy - to show proper respect to the Lord God creator. But Now, the veil has been ripped from top to bottom and since the sacrifice of Jesus, all are allowed access to the Father. If we are in Jesus, we are pleasing to God. God said, "This is my son, in Him I am well pleased."
You're right -  holiness is not now about taking off your shoes.
Jesus said, "Be holy for I am holy"
Holiness is seperated out from this world, "in the world but not of the world," special, set apart for God's glory.
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But God has said take off your shoes. You're sinning! And now as Jesus lives in you, how can you dare to wear shoes!

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You know that was the instruction to Moses at the burning bush because the place where they met was holy ground. If I meet God in a burning bush or anywhere else and he instructs me to take off my shoes due to the place where I am being holy ground, I will certainly do so.

You can't be serious bringing up a specious argument like that.
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No, I'm just trying to tell you that the plain meaning of scripture isn't all there is. And that the spiritual meaning of a verse can supercede its plain meaning.

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But God has said take off your shoes. You're sinning! And now as Jesus lives in you, how can you dare to wear shoes!

You are kidding, right?  :laugh:

God didn't tell everybody to take off their shoes.

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No, I'm just trying to tell you that the plain meaning of scripture isn't all there is. And that the spiritual meaning of a verse can supercede its plain meaning.

I understand the point of your posts.
and I agree and think they are very insightful and valid


In the same way the Spirit also joins to help in our weakness, because we do not know what to pray for as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with unspoken groanings.

And He who searches the hearts knows the Spirit's mind-set, because He intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man that is in him? In the same way, no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.

Don't you yourselves know that you are God's sanctuary and that the Spirit of God lives in you

You just have to learn to cut and paste more so they can understand.


God gave them a spirit of insensitivity, eyes that cannot see and ears that cannot hear, to this day.
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It's okay you didn't use my name Daj.
For the first part, "the well done good and faithful servant" is what I long and hope and pray to hear, certainly no guarantee.
The second part of why didn't you believe my word has nothing to do with agreeing with me, it's my fear for those that can casually change the word of God to suit them. for example, ET people that say God didn't mean "the saviour of the world" when the word says "Jesus Christ the saviour of the world" it means something else because it conflicts with my current belief.

And it's certainly OK to disagree with me, I would not grow as quickly without iron sharpening iron. I sure don't have all the answers. But God does and it's in His word. :Peace2:


For this reason also, since the day we heard this, we haven't stopped praying for you. We are asking that you may be filled with the knowledge of His will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding,

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Well yeah, may God fill us with better wisdom. Paul said that those who have recognized something have not yet recognized as they should. I guess we all miss out on the actual will of God because this will must be so encompassing to be really impossible. IE, I should go out immediately and give everything I have as a gift to someone outside, and go travelling to Istanbul and preach on the streets and never worry about anything to do with homosexuality at all. Because for God it's not important, ha. Yeah, really, only the Holy Spirit knows God thoroughly and we're spoonfed one thing at a time. And after all, before the law there was no mention of homosexuality at all and nobody in the bible talks about it.

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Thank you Daj. I can always use prayers - especially in areas that I'm weak in.
I'd like to know scripture better and treat people with a more loving attitude.
I'd also like to have the reality be "In him, we live and move and breathe" at all times.
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well,seems to me God come down to visit Abraham..tell him about coming promised seed..but also

  to check out the reports He had received about Sodom and Gomorrah.

  now the Word Testifies to preparing the Way for Christ..and says 'MAKE STRAIGHT YOUR WAY"

   2 Peter 2;15  they have left the 'straight' way;;;for they mouth empty boastful words

  and by appealing tothe lustful nature of sinful humans they entice people....the promise them

  freedom 'while they themselves are slaves to depravity-for a man is a slave to whatever has

  mastered him....you are a slave to a homosexual spirit...there is a promised seed of faith in God

 planted in you..but the veil of your flesh and the abomination on the wing of the cherub[sin in you]

 is still intact[uncircumcized in spirit]...

   then Hetold me..do notsealup the words of the prophecy of this book. let him who does wrong continue to do

 wrong[sin in flesh] ley him who is vile contine to be vile[unclean spirit in yourfleh] let him who does

 right continue to do right[faith seed in you that loves God and man] and let him who is holy continue

 to be Holy[holy seed of fsith in you in God]  the Lord and His terrible swift sword will seperate the Holy seed

  he has planted in you from the vile tare in yourfleh..and you  shall enter into the Holy of Holies........

   God will take what belongs to Him and give satan what is his