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The Power of Love

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Casstranquility:
I heard a sermon the other day on love. The Pastor said that love was fierce and relentless and passionate. He compared God's love for us to a mother's love for their child. This love would do anything to protect its child from harm. Now, there's a love I could believe in, if it wasn't a failure. You see, they still believe in hell, even with this perception of love. I don't see how it is possible. Isn't hell a threat to God's children?
Will Jesus save all should be such a simple question with a simple answer-of course! Jesus is love, and love does not fail. Love is powerful! Love would never stand by passively while their child was being destroyed. I couldn't even imagine such a thing. I could imagine Love running into a burning fire and grabbing everyone and dragging them out forcefully whether they wanted to come or not! Love saves everyone! There are no choices involved in such a passionate strength! That's like standing in front of a tidal wave and saying "I choose not to be swept away." Doesn't that sound silly? Everyone knows what is going to happen to that person. Jesus is the savior of all, no ifs, ands or buts. The power of Love proves it.

crlnray:
I have a question,How can they say God is love and at the same time tell you that you are going to Hell?And even if they teach God is love,and teach you are going to hell are they teaching the truth?I have a friend that says they are teaching what they believe,so it is OK. I have trouble with this.Is he right?He says they don't know better,I say then they should not be teaching.Any thoughts?crlnray :msealed:

AbbasChild:
I think one way a lot of believers in hell justify this contradiciton is the heresy that only christians are our Heavenly Father's children through some legal contract established by them by believing the right doctrines.
This is called the 'doctrine of adoption' which is really interesting when properly looked into.
The word adoption didn't mean back then what it means today. Back then they would take their own child at a certain age and confirm it as theirs. It was not about anothers child being adopted. So the word adoption is properbly better translated as 'sonship' or 'childship'. When we see that Creator is also the Father of Creation, then we will also understand that He is responsible for all of it and not just for thos who belong to the right religion. But wasn't this also the trap into which the jews fell until Jesus came and messed up their theoloy?

arcticmonster2003:
sometimes I think ET confuses God training and correcting his children so they will be full grown with God torturing his children in the basement forever for not doing their chores. I've seen a lot of arguments saying "Well, he gave them plenty of chances to repent", but come on, in the scheme of forever our lifetime on earth wouldn't even amount to a second when compared to forever, thats not much time really when you throw in all of the obstacles here into the equation.

crlnray:

--- Quote from: arcticmonster2003 on August 08, 2007, 12:52:49 PM ---sometimes I think ET confuses God training and correcting his children so they will be full grown with God torturing his children in the basement forever for not doing their chores. I've seen a lot of arguments saying "Well, he gave them plenty of chances to repent", but come on, in the scheme of forever our lifetime on earth wouldn't even amount to a second when compared to forever, thats not much time really when you throw in all of the obstacles here into the equation.

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Good post :thumbsup:crlnray

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