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Re: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT
« Reply #550 on: December 10, 2012, 09:37:01 AM »
Anybody know how to contact Bert Bauman?  Is he still alive?  The last I knew he was with New Day Fellowship in St. Paul, MN, if memory serves me.  I knew him and met with a church group he was Pastor of prior to New Day.  I would love to have a good catch up conversation with him.  I wonder what all he wrote over the years...
I went to church; but, the Church wasn't on the program!  JESUS WANTS HIS BODY BACK!!  MEET WITHOUT HUMAN HEADSHIP!!!

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« Reply #551 on: December 10, 2012, 10:14:35 AM »
Anybody know how to contact Bert Bauman?  Is he still alive?  The last I knew he was with New Day Fellowship in St. Paul, MN, if memory serves me.  I knew him and met with a church group he was Pastor of prior to New Day.  I would love to have a good catch up conversation with him.  I wonder what all he wrote over the years...

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The address in Bert Bauman's book THE GOSPEL is
REDEMPTION HAUS
218 Central Avenue
Osseo, Minnesota, 55369

They might know how to contact him.
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Re: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT
« Reply #552 on: December 11, 2012, 02:01:01 PM »
WHAT GOD SAYS CONCERNING HELL J.F. RODGERS

"May some poor soul whose loved one has died without receiving Christ as their Saviour, find a measure of relief in the assurance that they are neither now, nor ever shall be, tortured endlessly and consciously in an inferno of fire wrongly described as the eternal abode of the dammed. Instead, they will be deprived of life until the lake of fire which is the second death no longer exists."
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« Reply #553 on: December 11, 2012, 04:12:20 PM »
That is a great quote Rodger. The only thing I see wrong is that in a short quote, one cannot prove a doctrinal position. People that are concerned about their loved ones eternity may start searching the scriptures however because of it and eventually see the truth and get the relief they seek. The good news for all mankind is really good news for ALL mankind.
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« Reply #554 on: December 12, 2012, 10:14:20 AM »
MAN'S FAILURE OR GOD'S SUCCESS WHICH WILL STAND? LEE SALISBURY

"The teaching of the ultimate exaltation of Jesus Christ and the ultimate reconciliation of all men unto Him, make God's judgments consistent with His plan of creation. God's judgments become understandable, purposeful, and constructive without violating any aspect of justice, truth, or mercy. If just one person were condemned to eternal torment, then God's purpose in creation would have been defeated. God's judgments are redemptive.

The end result of God's judgments is, 'That in the Name of Jesus every knee will bow, celestial, terrestrial, and subterranean, and every tongue will acclaim that Jesus Christ is Lord, for the glory of God the Father (Phil. 2:10,11). God planned for the maturity of the times and the climax of the ages to unify all things and head them up and consummate them in Christ, both in the heavens, and on earth (Eph. 1:10). Amplified Bible
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« Reply #555 on: December 12, 2012, 04:23:28 PM »
CORRECTION: I have replaced snippet #72 with the following

#72 - A snippet from GOD'S METHODS WITH MAN G. Campbell Morgan (pages 185-186)

"Let me say to Bible students that we must be very careful how we use the word 'eternity.' We have fallen into great error in our constant use of that word. There is no word in the whole book of God corresponding with our 'eternal,' which, as commonly used among us, means absolutely without end. Men have divided the church, separated from each other, and persecuted one another, upon a though conveyed by an English word which has no equivalent in the Bible."
G. Campbell Morgan

In response to that statement, the SCRIPTURE STUDIES CONCERN editor (unnamed) wrote in 1956
"We cannot conceive of a Creator Who knows the end from the beginning, One Who is Love, Who has infinite wisdom, and infinite power, giving to any being life, life which is never to end, but to continue in suffering to all eternity. The Bible does not teach it anywhere in the original languages. God's punishments are remedial and take place within the span of the ages. Punishment will last no longer than is necessary to bring man to hate his sin and be reconciled to his Saviour."
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Re: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT
« Reply #556 on: December 14, 2012, 03:49:18 PM »
ETERNITY EXPLAINED LEE SALISBURY

"Eternity and its synonyms are grievous mistranslations of Hebrew and Greek words. Both the Old and the New Testament misuses indicate a biased mind-set which hides God's true nature and purpose. Based upon decisions made in this life on earth, it is supposed that the vast multitudes that miss heaven enter an eternal hell of burning torment and anguish.

The uniform translation of aion and its adjective form aionios solves many inconsistencies in Scripture study. Jesus came to give life eonian, a quality of relationship with the Father through Himself, a life that is only the earnest of much more to come.

The most shameful consequences of this error are the grotesque images which Christianity projects of God, Who is really so loving, wise, and powerful. God's love nature corresponds with His purpose. His wisdom and majesty dominate the ages through which all mankind will be drawn to God's goal of creating man in His own image, 'that God may be All in all' (1Cor. 15:28).
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Re: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT
« Reply #557 on: December 15, 2012, 03:39:58 PM »
JUST WHAT DO YOU MEAN? (SERIES OF16 CHAPTERS) J. PRESTON EBY

A great sixteen chapter introductory series to ultimate reconciliation.
J. Preston Eby does a thorough job covering many aspects of the topic.
Fundamental reading for any person interested in studying universalism from a solid Biblical perspective.
Highly Recommended!
 
Internet version 
http://www.godfire.net/eby/saviour_of_the_world.html

Also watch the testimony video of J. Preston Eby
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEwcWR8kxUs&feature=sub
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« Reply #558 on: December 15, 2012, 04:24:55 PM »
Thank you rodger, I'm grateful for the ton of UR information you supply to us here. :Peace2:
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« Reply #559 on: December 15, 2012, 08:42:22 PM »
Thank you rodger, I'm grateful for the ton of UR information you supply to us here. :Peace2:

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Blame it on Gary Amirault though  :friendstu:
I'm just a co-conspirator - an accessory after the fact.   :winkgrin:

Gary Amirault interviews Greek scholar Louis Abbott about his belief that the Bible teaches universal salvation (in eight parts)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJoNxjUAAi8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuoRnAsugew
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAsVTXJYEHY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_sblmYiX4I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bfx6tcwq3M4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM5fSRDxVwg
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3213148682308877255#
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoWeKXdNhyg

AN ANALYTICAL STUDY OF WORDS - Louis Abbott
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/asw/index.html   
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Re: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT
« Reply #560 on: December 18, 2012, 01:54:27 PM »
FUNDAMENTALS OR BASIS OF BELIEF Thomas Griffith

"We will get good out of evil. Our gracious Educator does evolve for us out of corruption, temptation and sin, new purposes, new skill, new triumphs.

Beyond the overruling of intermediate evil into subserviency to a higher good, what has been superinduced as a transition state of things is therefore seen to be necessary only for a time. It will pass away with the functions which it is made to fulfill. It will at last be superseded by the highest good for everyone."
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« Reply #561 on: December 19, 2012, 01:22:36 PM »
DOOMED TO BE SAVED Frances Power Cobbe

"I think if we were not caught in the meshes of that wretched Augustinian scheme of theology which postulates eternal hell to compel us to accept it, -- I think, I say, if it were not for this theology, all Christendom must have long ago come to see, that, at the very least, God feels towards a sinner as a saint would do, and not as a man less good, or wise, or merciful.

We do not think man's evil can, in the long run of the ages, finally outspeed God's ever-pursuing mercy. He must overtake us sooner or later. We may temporarily choose evil rather than good, and vileness instead of nobleness, and be ungrateful and sinful. But God will get the better of us at last."
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Re: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT
« Reply #562 on: December 19, 2012, 03:39:10 PM »
 :HeartThrob: THE MESSAGE FOR THE WORLD Gary Siglar

The message for the world today is only one --- that God has reconciled you back to Himself. He didn't just redeem a few. He didn't just forgive a few. He didn't determine that a few would be saved and the rest would be eternally lost. God has a plan that is so perfect and worked out to restore all of mankind back to their source.

If you understand that no matter where you are today God chose you, before the foundation of the world, that you would be holy and without blame before Him in love. If you can believe this simple word you will rejoice.

I know the condition of carnal humanity. I know the condition of some people who love God. I know the carnal condition that most of us are in. The truth is --- and the truth will set you free --- you are holy, unblameable, and irreprovable in His sight. Not in your carnal adamic life, but in Christ. Christ is holy, unblemished, and undefiled. If you can accept that you will be that experientially. If you can't accept that you won't yet experience it but you still will eventually as God brings you into the knowledge of your true identity.
 
God has never, ever, made one human being that will fail except for a good purpose, because He works all things after the counsel of His own will. Known by God are all His works from beginning unto end.

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Re: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT
« Reply #563 on: December 20, 2012, 02:20:20 PM »
This is a thrilling poem by Matthew Arnold, keeping in mind the following fact.
Universalism was The Prevailing Doctrine Of The Christian Church During Its First Five Hundred Years
http://hellbusters.8m.com/updcontents.html

As students of the history of Christian doctrine know, among believers in eternal torment, Tertullian was one of the most extreme. That is why I think this poem is so powerful.
It sent a thrill up and down my spine.   :cloud9:

"He saves the sheep, the goats he doth not save!"
So rang Tertullian's sentence, on the side
Of that unpitying Phrygian sect which cried, --
"Him can no fount of fresh forgiveness lave
Who sins, once washed by the baptismal wave!"
So spake the fierce Tertullian. But she sighed,
The infant church, of love she felt the tide
Stream on her from her Lord's yet recent grave,
And then she smiled, and in the Catacombs,
With eye suffused, but heart inspired true,
On those walls subterranean, where she hid
Her head in ignominy, death and tombs,
She her Good Shepherd's hasty image drew,

And on His shoulders, not a lamb, a kid.  :HeartThrob:
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« Reply #564 on: December 20, 2012, 03:28:39 PM »
Hi Rodger,
I never read King James nor was brought up in a church thast used it. My parents were unsaved and I grew up in a Jewish neighborhood. It frankly is another language to me. I have no idea what the poem above said except I'm guessing it's in favor of UR. Can you tell me please? :dsunny:

By the way, the language thing was a helpful drive for me to investigate deeper when I heard of people that were "King James only" or burn in hell. Poor germans, russians, swedes, spanish, portugese, etc. And tough luck for average american kids like me that never heard King James except on TV when a religious nut case was portrayed. :dunno2:
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Re: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT
« Reply #565 on: December 20, 2012, 03:46:14 PM »
Hi Rodger,
I never read King James nor was brought up in a church thast used it. My parents were unsaved and I grew up in a Jewish neighborhood. It frankly is another language to me. I have no idea what the poem above said except I'm guessing it's in favor of UR. Can you tell me please? :dsunny:

By the way, the language thing was a helpful drive for me to investigate deeper when I heard of people that were "King James only" or burn in hell. Poor germans, russians, swedes, spanish, portugese, etc. And tough luck for average american kids like me that never heard King James except on TV when a religious nut case was portrayed. :dunno2:

Yup, it sure is in favor of UR, ded2daworld, in a very powerful way.
The early Christians believed that not only the sheep lambs, but the goat kids would be saved too.

Why not read it again with that in mind.

This is a thrilling poem by Matthew Arnold, keeping in mind the following fact.
Universalism was The Prevailing Doctrine Of The Christian Church During Its First Five Hundred Years
http://hellbusters.8m.com/updcontents.html

As students of the history of Christian doctrine know, among believers in eternal torment, Tertullian was one of the most extreme. That is why I think this poem is so powerful.
It sent a thrill up and down my spine.  :cloud9:   

"He saves the sheep, the goats he doth not save!"
So rang Tertullian's sentence, on the side
Of that unpitying Phrygian sect which cried, --
"Him can no fount of fresh forgiveness lave
Who sins, once washed by the baptismal wave!"
So spake the fierce Tertullian. But she sighed,
The infant church, of love she felt the tide
Stream on her from her Lord's yet recent grave,
And then she smiled, and in the Catacombs,
With eye suffused, but heart inspired true,
On those walls subterranean, where she hid
Her head in ignominy, death and tombs,
She her Good Shepherd's hasty image drew,

And on His shoulders, not a lamb, a kid.   :HeartThrob:

I get to the line "And then she smiled," and tears of joy come into my eyes.  :HeartThrob:
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Re: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT
« Reply #566 on: December 21, 2012, 06:27:14 AM »
Bet it was on His left shoulder, just over His heart :o)
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« Reply #567 on: December 21, 2012, 09:21:37 AM »
Bet it was on His left shoulder, just over His heart :o)

 :HeartThrob:

And the smile had to be a smile of God-given calm assurance, not a smile of delusional wishful thinking.

Isn't that a precious thought?!!   :gimmefive:
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« Reply #568 on: December 22, 2012, 04:28:06 AM »
A POEM BY A.G. CAMPBELL

I deem they greatly err, who hold
That He Who made the human soul,
Will not its destinies control
For final good but, wrathful, fold
It in the shrouds of hopeless woe,
Of deathless gloom, of quenchless fire,
The creatures of His vengeful ire,
Whence it can never ransom know.

So, in the world to come, His love
Shall freely unto all abound;
Even prisoners in the depths profound
Shall see His kind face beam above
Their dreary cells, and hear His voice,
Unheeded once, in mercy call, --
"Turn, turn to Me and live!" and all
Shall hear the summons and rejoice.

Lost men, lost angels, shall return, --
Satan himself be purified;
Death shall be conquered in his pride,
And hell's fierce fires shall cease to burn.
Then shall our God be All in all
His love bear universal sway;
His love preserves all souls for aye,
Nor shall the weakest fear a fall.
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« Reply #569 on: December 22, 2012, 05:19:42 AM »
That was a wonderful poem.


Was the blood meant just for thee,
Who once upon a time,
the enemy
of Christ
(alienated in mind and hostile)
Nevertheless He did reconcile
By
His blood-
So precious that once sprinkled
Opened the eyes
of your blinded heart?
Tell me,
Was that blood just for thee?

Then why did He,
Pleading from the cross
In agony
Cry
"Forgive them Father,
 they know not what they do"?

Did the Father,
(disregarding the value of the sacrifice)
Reply,
"I will my son.....
            but just a few?"

Remember Messiah's prophecy,
              "If I be lifted up, I will draw all men unto me"

Reconsider Reconciliation as
intended for the whole creation.

The apostle Paul explains it thus,

"For as in Adam all men died
So all in Christ will be made alive".

Was that blood shed just for us?

The apostle John says "all" again

He is the propitiation for our sins
and not just for us
but for the whole world also

All.

So.

For the Father made all His fulness dwell
in Him and set on Him such worth
to reconcile all things back to Himself by the blood of His cross
whether things in heaven or things of earth.

To gather all in one in Christ
Till every knee bow,
every tongue confess

Jesus is Lord!

The Father fulfilling the Son's request?
Yes and Amen,
Yes!

So I will ask you this once more,
Was the blood meant just for thee?
Or for everyone who has ever been
and everyone who will ever be.
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« Reply #570 on: December 23, 2012, 02:27:47 PM »
Thanks for another good poem eaglesway

FROM A SERMON ON UNIVERSALISM Stopford A. Brooke

"That Christ should have descended to assume the nature of all men, only to cast them away as refuse to be burned, does so contradict His revelation that it is no wonder that the idea of everlasting damnation should have destroyed men's belief.

No, the earthly dead will move on, a mighty stream to mingle in the ocean of the righteousness of God, on that far off but certain day when God will be All in all."
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« Reply #571 on: December 23, 2012, 09:09:18 PM »


FROM A SERMON ON UNIVERSALISM Stopford A. Brooke

"That Christ should have descended to assume the nature of all men, only to cast them away as refuse to be burned, does so contradict His revelation that it is no wonder that the idea of everlasting damnation should have destroyed men's belief.

This is true and so tragic as to make one weep  :crywipe:

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No, the earthly dead will move on, a mighty stream to mingle in the ocean of the righteousness of God, on that far off but certain day when God will be All in all."

This is true and so comforting as to restore ones peace and joy within the gospel of God. :dsunny:
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« Reply #572 on: December 27, 2012, 03:09:19 PM »
ENIGMAS OF LIFE, POSTSCRIPTUM W.R. GREG

"Given a hell of torment and despair for millions of our friends and fellow men, can the good enjoy heaven except by becoming bad, -- miraculously changed and changed deplorably for the worst. In a word, putting on, along with the white garments of the redeemed, a coldness and hardness of heart? Does not this simple reflection suffice to disperse into thin air the current notions of a world of everlasting pain?"
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« Reply #573 on: December 27, 2012, 03:46:31 PM »
billions even
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« Reply #574 on: December 27, 2012, 04:29:06 PM »
ET'ers refuse to believe the notion of everyone being ultimately reconciled
because they refuse to give up the notion that there are some people that really deserve to be tortured forever.
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