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Re: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT
« Reply #525 on: November 20, 2012, 10:06:16 AM »
THE "EVIL" FROM THE LORD – MICHAEL KILLIAN

"All men will be saved. But God isn't trying to redeem everyone in this age, only that chosen generation that Paul spoke of.

Believing that the evil in this world has its purpose for good will bring much peace to your heart. And then to realize that God in someway, somehow, will eventually use evil to bring about good for everyone, will further add to your peace. As this revelation of the Prince of Peace is unfolded to your turbulent, battle-weary heart, you will start to more continuously abide in His love.

God not only 'allows' evil in this present world, but rather ordains it. No more, and no less evil than God Himself determines, will happen to anyone during any certain day." 105
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« Reply #526 on: November 22, 2012, 03:07:45 PM »
THE FEET MINISTRY – DON BRUCE

"The mission of Christ was to destroy the enemy and to set the prisoners free. Now this word 'destroy' does not mean to annihilate. In the Greek it means to make of no effect. When Christ took the keys from the prison keeper he, Satan, lost all power and authority. Christ made his office of no effect (Heb. 2:14&15).

While prophets of doom forecast calamity and destruction, the mind of Christ speaks and lights our world with the vision of universal restoration and reconciliation.

Paul told of a great victory where every knee would bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. Paul did not say that only a small number will bow and confess, but he said every knee will bow, and every tongue will confess. And no man can call Jesus Lord but by the Holy Spirit. What a glorious day that will be when every foot steps forth in the river of life up to the ankle, and from the ankle up to the knee. Every knee shall bow!

We are not an accident! We are not a mistake! No one has been overlooked by the Creator. All of us are His jewels, the apple of His eye, His purpose, reason and will.
When we see God in all things, and realize that all things are in His hands for the eventual good of everyone, then our lives will flow as peacefully as a river." 106
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« Reply #527 on: November 23, 2012, 02:26:13 PM »
HELL – J.W. WILLIAMS

"Who could have peace in the Christian hope while overwhelmed with the consciousness that many of those dearest to us are even right now shrieking hopelessly for watery relief from fiery torments? If any can be happy under such a burden of woe, are they hardened to insensibility; or do they really take their creed seriously?

Do believers in eternal hell torment really believe it, in their careless unconcern for the unsaved, or do they just give formal and thoughtless assent to their creeds. A sincere contemplation of such an infinite spectacle of woe as they present about hell is enough to unseat the reason of every believer of it if it weighs on his mind as it should if true. It would be appalling to know the number of all those who thought they had committed 'the unpardonable sin,' another erroneous tradition, and that they were hopelessly hell-bound because of it, and as a result became maniacs and suicides.

Yet in utter disregard of the frightful results of their hideous pagan ideas, the eternal hell torment evangelists would like to unchristianize those of us who dare to question their views by turning the searchlight of truth on their errors.

After hell is ended in the lake of fire, where can the previous inhabitants of hell go? Not back to hell, for it then will be no more. Not back into death, for 'there shall be no more death.' Only one destiny will be possible for them, and that is the one declared in Is. 26:9, and that is correction through judgment." 107
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« Reply #528 on: November 23, 2012, 05:21:34 PM »
When confronted with the above snippet, ET'ers almost always say. "It won't bother me because the bible says that we will no longer remember the things of this world because of the glories of heaven.

IMO, this also maligns the character of God as much as ET itself. What kind of God would erase our memory of eternal torment so that we wouldn't see or remember he is torturing our former friends and family? (That would be IF ET were true.)
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« Reply #529 on: November 23, 2012, 10:05:33 PM »
When confronted with the above snippet, ET'ers almost always say. "It won't bother me because the bible says that we will no longer remember the things of this world because of the glories of heaven.

IMO, this also maligns the character of God as much as ET itself. What kind of God would erase our memory of eternal torment so that we wouldn't see or remember he is torturing our former friends and family? (That would be IF ET were true.)

Right you are ded!  :iagree:

LIFE FOR ALL - CHARLES W. COTTON

"The lake of fire will be abolished when it burns itself out because there is no evil left for it to feed upon, and the whole universe will throb with joy when the second death is abolished with the successful completion of the great and glorious work the Lord Jesus will bring to full fruition with the perfecting of all in the heavens and on earth.

What a prospect! God's purpose of the ages (Eph. 3:11) fulfilled in perfect accord with His irresistible will. 'And every creature which is in heaven and on the earth, and under the earth, and on the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, 'Unto Him Who sits on the throne, and unto the Lamb be the blessing, and the honor, and the glory, and the dominion, for the ages of the ages (Rev. 5:13) – a grand Hallelujah Chorus echoing through the boundless universe and proclaiming that God IS Love." 108
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« Reply #530 on: November 24, 2012, 12:51:46 AM »
When confronted with the above snippet, ET'ers almost always say. "It won't bother me because the bible says that we will no longer remember the things of this world because of the glories of heaven.

IMO, this also maligns the character of God as much as ET itself. What kind of God would erase our memory of eternal torment so that we wouldn't see or remember he is torturing our former friends and family? (That would be IF ET were true.)

This meaning that what is REALLY HAPPENING means nothing if we are unaware of it. Whew! That's twisted :doh:
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« Reply #531 on: November 24, 2012, 02:37:47 PM »
UNIVERSAL RECONCILIATION – MINNIE ALBERTSON

"The original scriptures taught final universal salvation; but translators usually rejected that theme. So they added to, or dropped words, to make the text conform to their wrong thinking. They could not eradicate the original theme; but we inherited their wrong thinking in our translations, and so we have the resulting direct contradictions. Unknown time periods they made endless.

Salvation is for angels also. 'All things were created by Him, and for Him' (Col. 1:16).
'For Thy pleasure they are and were created (Rev. 4:11). So He 'reconciles all things unto Himself, whether they be on earth, or things in the heavens (Col. 1:16-21).

Even the devil is not too evil to be corrected. Note who he belongs to, as well as those he deceives. 'The deceived and the deceiver are His' (Job 12:16)."

EDITOR'S NOTE: Greek scholar William Barclay wrote concerning kolasis aionion (age-during corrective chastisement) in Matthew 25:46
"The Greek word for punishment is kolasis. There is no instance in Greek secular literature where kolasis does not mean remedial punishment. It is a simple fact that in Greek kolasis always means remedial punishment. God's punishment is always for man's cure."

See what other Greek scholars say about it too.
AN ANALYTICAL STUDY OF WORDS
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/asw/Chapter11.html

Fifteen literally translated (not interpretively translated) Bibles that reveal what God will do with the sinners in Matthew 25:46
Concordant Literal, Young's literal, Wilson's Emphatic Diaglott, Rotherham's Emphasized, Scarlett's, J.W. Hanson's New Covenant, Twentieth Century, Ferrar Fenton, The Western New Testament, Weymouth's (unedited), Clementson's,  The New Testament of our Lord and Savior Jesus Anointed, The Restoration of Original Sacred Name Bible, Bullinger's Companion Bible margins, Jonathan Mitchell's translation (2010).
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« Reply #532 on: November 24, 2012, 06:07:02 PM »
Absolutely Rodger.
Since being UR, I have always believed in the salvation of angels and the deciever. I just think that God has a plan of salvation that is different for them. I believe Christ became human to save humans from the "sins of the flesh" I just think that it's basically none of our business so we're not told. Paul said that even the angels weren't told all about the human plan for salvation. Perhaps, the angels seeing all humans reconciled, will be overcome when God extends his love and forgiveness to them. Perhaps He has a plan that we as humans cannot even concieve of?
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« Reply #533 on: November 25, 2012, 08:08:57 AM »
Absolutely Rodger.
Since being UR, I have always believed in the salvation of angels and the deciever. I just think that God has a plan of salvation that is different for them. I believe Christ became human to save humans from the "sins of the flesh" I just think that it's basically none of our business so we're not told. Paul said that even the angels weren't told all about the human plan for salvation. Perhaps, the angels seeing all humans reconciled, will be overcome when God extends his love and forgiveness to them. Perhaps He has a plan that we as humans cannot even concieve of?

To me, the very least of all saints, this grace was given, to preach to the Gentiles the unfathomable riches of Christ, and to bring to light what is the administration of the mystery which for ages has been hidden in God who created all things; so that the manifold wisdom of God might now be made known through the church to the rulers and the authorities in the heavenly places. This was in accordance with the eternal purpose which He carried out in Christ Jesus our Lord,
(Eph 3:8-11)
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« Reply #534 on: November 25, 2012, 07:36:23 PM »
Here is the point of view of a few other URs on this subject.

"God delights to reconcile all, whether those on the earth, or those in the heavens (Col. 1:20). Therefore there is no more reason to suppose that Satan is not included therein than that any other certain creature is not included therein. Therefore it must be that that notable creature who had rightly long been termed "the Adversary," is very much included in the reconciliation of the universe, at which time this title ("Adversary" or "Satan") necessarily will no longer apply, since he will be reconciled and be at peace." (end quote)
Jim Coram, UNSEARCHABLE RICHES, March 2005.

"Ah, I long intently for that day when even the devil himself shall put away his pitchfork, hang up his horns, and come humbly and brokenly to the Father's house! Does that startle you? How else could it be in that glad day when the Christ has finally RECONCILED ALL THINGS IN HEAVEN AND IN EARTH, including all the PRINCIPALITIES AND POWERS OF THE HEAVENLY SPHERE!" (end quote)
RECONCILIATION IN THE HEAVENS – J. Preston Eby
http://www.godfire.net/eby/reconcilehvns.html
 
THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL – PAUL SIEGVOLCK
"Col. 1: 16-20 teaches us the extent of the reconciliation made by Christ, namely, that it extends itself over the whole creation. Therefore the fallen angels must also necessarily have their share in it, for they do incontestably belong to the invisible things created by Christ, and consequently to all things including the things in the heavens.

'Jehovah is good to all: and His tender mercies are over all His works.' Psalm 145:9
In this passage we are plainly told that the mercy of God, or His tender love, does not only extend itself to men, but universally towards all creatures that have their being and stand in need of mercy; and consequently also towards the fallen angels; which tender love of God must necessarily at last effect or bring about the restoration of all corrupt creatures, for it is not a weak or faint, but an almighty love." (end quote)

#197 – AVITUS and BASIL, A GRECIAN (approx. 410 A.D.) together taught
"Future torments are not endless; for although they are called everlasting, yet that word in the original Greek, does not, according to its etymology, and its frequent use, signify endless, but answers only to the duration of an age; so that every sinner, after the purification of his conscience, shall return into the unity of the body of Christ.
The devil himself will at length be saved, when all his wickedness shall have been subdued. (end quote)

#173 – ERSKINE'S SKETCHES OF CHURCH HISTORY records the words of John Gasper Christian Lavater.
"God is not gracious in time and cruel through eternity. Ascribe not to God, what in a human judge all would account a defect in wisdom and goodness, the punishing for the sake of punishing. It is enough my Creator, Thou art love. Love seeketh not her own; Thou seekest the happiness of all, and shouldst Thou not then find what Thou seekest? Shouldst Thou not be able to do what Thou willest?

My prayers are comprehensive. I embrace in my heart all men; present and future times, and nations, yea Satan himself. I present them all to God, with the warmest wishes that He will have mercy on them all." (end quote)

#137 – CLOUDS AND SUNSHINE – J.S. Taylor
I cannot believe that any being will exist in any part of the universe, so steeped in guilt and anguish (no, not Satan himself), as to be beyond the redeeming love and healing power of the Creator.

Oh, no; on the contrary, I believe that in this mysterious, but divinely ordained conflict of good and evil, the powers of light are everywhere slowly but surely gaining the ascendancy over the powers of darkness, and that it will continue to be so, even unto the perfect day; yes, that perfect day, wherein all these blessed victories over sin and ignorance shall have been consummated, these transformations completed, and no solitary stain of folly, guilt, or grief, be left to mar the lustre of the universe." (end quote)

#194 – Gregory of Nyssa (335-390)
What is the scope of St. Paul's dissertations? That the nature of evil shall, at length, be wholly exterminated, and divine immortal goodness embrace within itself every rational creature; so that of all who were made by God, not one shall be excluded from His kingdom. All the viciousness that like a corrupt matter is mingled in things shall be dissolved and consumed in fire; and everything shall be restored to its pristine state of purity.

In 1Cor. 15:22-28, the apostle Paul declares the extinction of all sin, saying that God will be All in all. For God will be truly All in all only when no evil shall remain in the nature of things. All evil must at length, be entirely removed from everything, so that it shall no more exist. For such being the nature of sin, that it cannot exist without a corrupt motive, it must, of course, be perfectly dissolved and wholly destroyed, so that nothing can remain a receptacle of it, when all motive and influences shall spring from God alone.

As the devil assumed a fleshly shape in order to ruin human nature, so the Lord took flesh for the salvation of man; and thus He blesses not only him who was ruined, but him also who led him into perdition; so that He both delivers man from sin, and heals the author of sin himself." (end quote)

#196 – COMMENTARY ON THE NEW TESTAMENT – Jerome (347-420 A.D.)
"In the end or consummation of things, all shall be restored to their original state, and be again united in one body. We cannot be ignorant that Christ's blood benefited the angels and those who are in hell; though we know not the manner in which it produced such effects. The apostate angels shall become such as they were created; and man, who has been cast out of paradise, shall be restored thither again. And this shall be accomplished in such a way, that all shall be united together by mutual charity, so that the members will delight in each other, and rejoice in each other's promotion.

The apostate angels, and the prince of this world, though now ungovernable, plunging themselves into the depths of sin, shall, in the end, embrace the happy dominion of Christ and His saints."
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« Reply #535 on: November 25, 2012, 07:57:03 PM »
Before good and evil, there was no need for redemption. Before redemption, there was no consciousness of gratitude, no joy and relief of forgiveness, no rejoicing over restoration-nor understanding of boundless love. Therefore God, who created everything, breathing intellect, will and emotion into every sentient creation, has planned to better create, indeed to finish His creation, by re-creation; by the fall and the restoration of all; having added within this newness a deep understanding of sacrificial love- the overwhelming beauty of it. He has revealed in Jesus Christ the very root of it, making Himself known through the sacrifice of one so beautiful and precious to Him- and by this sacrifice displaying the purest manifestation of the nature of the one true God who after all, created us only to share with us, to know us, to be known by us, and to dwell with us in a glorious abounding union of immortality and infinite wisdom- within the divine freedom of universal love.

For God who said, "Light shall shine out of darkness", is the One who has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ.


Where much is forgiven, there is much love.
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« Reply #536 on: November 25, 2012, 08:32:16 PM »
 :thumbsup: :Pray: :iagree: Amen
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« Reply #537 on: November 25, 2012, 10:09:56 PM »
Before good and evil, there was no need for redemption. Before redemption, there was no consciousness of gratitude, no joy and relief of forgiveness, no rejoicing over restoration-nor understanding of boundless love. Therefore God, who created everything, breathing intellect, will and emotion into every sentient creation, has planned to better create, indeed to finish His creation, by re-creation; by the fall and the restoration of all; having added within this newness a deep understanding of sacrificial love- the overwhelming beauty of it. He has revealed in Jesus Christ the very root of it, making Himself known through the sacrifice of one so beautiful and precious to Him- and by this sacrifice displaying the purest manifestation of the nature of the one true God who after all, created us only to share with us, to know us, to be known by us, and to dwell with us in a glorious abounding union of immortality and infinite wisdom- within the divine freedom of universal love.

For God who said, "Light shall shine out of darkness", is the One who has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ.

Where much is forgiven, there is much love.

Good stuff eaglesway!
I like this comment by Ray Prinzing

THE INTERPLAY OF GOOD AND EVIL – RAY PRINZING

"God is sovereign, and He controls all the interaction of evil and good, and causes all to redound to His own glory. It is not – what was lost by the fall was to be regained by redemption, BUT by the interaction of FALL AND REDEMPTION, God achieves greater, wiser, nobler, and higher goals than by the Adamic race remaining in its pristine state.

Evil and good are synchronized to accomplish God's will and purpose, so that the ultimate goal shall reveal all evil transformed back into good, and all negation cancelled out by GOOD. Evil is allowed for wise ends, and when these are secured it must cease to exist, for God will restore all things into good. HE controls all the interaction between evil and good until His purpose of the ages is fulfilled. Then shall God be All in all."

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« Reply #538 on: November 27, 2012, 01:45:32 PM »
125 NUTS FOR CALVINISTS TO CRACK – C.R. BIERBOWER

"Although a Calvinist myself for more than thirty years, the scriptures declaring God's infinite love, and the plain teachings of Jesus my Lord on the subject of love, mercy and truth, finally sank my theological ship. This left me searching for the truth as it is in Jesus. Finally I was convinced by the overwhelming number of Scriptures that our great God and Heavenly Father truly does, without partiality, love the whole world, and He will in His own time and in His own way finally reconcile all men unto Himself.

Arminianism and Calvinism both represent each other as the method for God's work in salvation, and both vigorously reject the final reconciliation of all men. It is my purpose in this book to point out to my Calvinistic brethren the inconsistency of their interpretation of Scripture." 110
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« Reply #539 on: November 27, 2012, 04:34:33 PM »
Rodger- I guess "125 nuts for calvinists to crack is a book. Is it available? and even more important to me ... is it available for free? :laughing7:
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« Reply #540 on: November 27, 2012, 06:42:10 PM »
Rodger- I guess "125 nuts for calvinists to crack is a book. Is it available? and even more important to me ... is it available for free? :laughing7:

Several years ago I got my hard copy free from
Grace Baptist Church
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Quartz Hill, CA 93536
805-943-3825

You might want to try phoning first since the address might have changed although since it is the address of a church it is not likely to have changed.
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« Reply #541 on: November 28, 2012, 02:39:38 PM »
ALL AND ALL IN ALL – VINCE HOLLANDER AND HENRY BULLER

"This is a power packed and mind shaking question!!
To wit:
How can every creature which is in the heavens and on earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea and all that are in them (describing every living soul made by God) which includes everyone that has come from every dimension of life or death, or everything that came out from God … say, Blessing and honor and glory and power unto the Lamb Jesus Christ the heart of the Father, if they are not all going to be enjoying Him as we who now believe are? Does this not describe and give witness to the day of the reconciliation of all unto God where they came from?"

God will not be defeated in the slightest --- for 'There are diversities of operations, but it is the same God Who worketh all in all (1Cor. 12:6).
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« Reply #542 on: November 28, 2012, 04:13:28 PM »
Amen Rodger - just as all of creation groaned when sin entered the world, all creation will rejoice in reconciliation.
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« Reply #543 on: November 29, 2012, 03:51:26 PM »
Amen Rodger - just as all of creation groaned when sin entered the world, all creation will rejoice in reconciliation.

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THE WAY TO SALVATION IN THE CHRISTIAN GOSPEL – ERNEST L. MARTIN
"The traditional interpretation of an everlasting hell fire for sinners is as wrong and as senseless as believing that a three dollar bill is legal tender.

Ultimate salvation is something that has been secured by Christ for all mankind without the works of man (either good or bad) being involved in the issue. Everyone will finally be saved and brought to a full knowledge of the truth of God. All humans will finally be forgiven for their sins and they will become reconciled to God. All things in the heavens, on earth and under the earth (the angels who are kept in chains in the bowels of the earth) will one day proclaim the Lordship of Christ to the glory of God the Father.

But it will not only be all humans who are reconciled to God (now that God has reconciled Himself to mankind). The reconciliation will reach out to embrace all the hostile powers which have been out of harmony with God over the centuries. There is prophesied, according to Paul, a full reconciliation between all the antagonistic beings throughout the universe. Even they will be reconciled amongst themselves,
Between themselves and mankind, and between themselves and God the Father (Col. 1:20). All grievances, both divine and human, are disposed of through the life and death of Christ our Saviour. Peace has been, or will be established between all hostile parties throughout the universe. 112
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« Reply #544 on: November 29, 2012, 08:22:44 PM »
Amen Rodger - just as all of creation groaned when sin entered the world, all creation will rejoice in reconciliation.

And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.
(Rev 5:13)

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« Reply #545 on: November 30, 2012, 02:36:02 PM »
THE EARLY VIEW OF THE SAVIOR – GARY AMIRAULT

"When one looks at the first 500 years of Christianity, not one creed even hinted at "Eternal Torment;" not one creed denied "Universal Restoration;" no church council condemned "Universal Restoration."

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When one looks at the lives of those church leaders who brought the doctrine of "Eternal Torment" into the church, we find a long string of envyings, power plays, persecutions, character assassinations, book burnings, murders, and tortures. They became like the god they created – tormentors and murderers! They exchanged the truth for a lie and brought darkness to the world – the Dark Ages." 113
"God will have all mankind to be saved" 1Timothy 2:4

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Re: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT
« Reply #546 on: November 30, 2012, 02:54:28 PM »
Excellent!

On the way to becoming a teacher of UR I said to myself, "A good way to determine the validity of anything, or lack thereof, is to examine its beginnings"- and so I did, and the historical study I embarked upon was a primary foundation stone of my understanding of UR, and gaining the courage to boldly proclaim it.
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« Reply #547 on: December 01, 2012, 03:37:48 PM »
ETERNAL DEATH – ONE STEP OUT OF HELL, ONE STEP SHORT OF GLORY - GARY AMIRAULT

"When it comes to the final destination of the wicked, or unrighteous, Christians over the past two millenniums have divided themselves into three beliefs: 1. Eternal Torment, 2. Eternal Death (annihilationism), and 3. Salvation of the whole world through Jesus Christ. Each of these views can be supported with Scriptures. Having been in all three groups, I know there are sincere Bible centered believers in all of them. Obviously, all three cannot be true. Two of them have to be false.

This is a writing showing that the Doctrine of Eternal Death finds no support in the Greek or Hebrew texts. While the teaching makes the Christian God more loving and merciful than the Doctrine of Eternal Torment, there is a much more Scriptural way of proving that our Father's mercy extends far beyond "Eternal Death," or "Eternal Punishment."

It can be read on the internet here
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/EternalDeath.html
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Re: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT
« Reply #548 on: December 01, 2012, 08:57:58 PM »
Excellent presntation on the issue.
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« Reply #549 on: December 02, 2012, 02:38:29 PM »
THE GATES OF HELL SHALL NOT PREVAIL – TONY HINKLE & GARY AMIRAULT

"Christian leaders have locked themselves into the teaching that the King James Bible is 'the inerrant' translation of the so-called original texts. They say the 66 books of the present King James Bible are inerrant, but they don't tell you it lacks 14 entire books which were in the original King James of 1611. They don't tell you the King James Bible has been changed many times in the last 350 years, and there have been thousands of corrections!

This world needs to be set free of false images and concepts of our wonderful Father. Please meditate on this very thoughtfully and prayerfully. If eternal torment is the penalty for sin and the Creator did not want anyone ending up there, then it should stand to reason that He would make the warning as absolutely clear as He could make it to all mankind, past, present, and future. But the fact of the matter is that thousands upon thousands were born after Adam and they were never warned. Read the prophets and you will not find a place of eternal torment for the wicked. If the Creator loved us and created such a horrible place, He would surely have plastered the warning everywhere. The KJV has the phrase 'everlasting punishment' only once. Yet, when looking at those words in the Greek, even those two references turn out to be 'age-during correction.' Again we ask, if eternal torment be the horrible fate of most of mankind, why such a little warning?

The Scriptures tell us the mind of man cannot conceive the height, length, depth, and width of our Father's love for His creation. His ways are much higher than our in all areas, including His justice, love, and wisdom. He wounds, but like a doctor, to bring about healing. He says 'Vengeance is Mine' knowing only He can return good for evil, an innocent life for a guilty one. He overcomes His enemies with good and tells you to do the same. His love never fails. Believe it. It will never fail anyone, including you. You can now enter into your rest. 'For it was the Father's good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him, and through Him to reconcile all to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth, of things in the heavens (Col. 1:20).
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