SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT

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#178 – POEM by Soame Jenyns (eighteenth century)

"Oh could mankind but make this truth their guide
And force the helm from prejudice and pride,
Were once these maxims fixed, that God's our friend,
Virtue our good, and happiness our end.

How soon must reason o'er the world prevail,
And error, fraud and superstition fail!
None would hereafter, then, with groundless fear,
Describe the Almighty cruel and severe

Predestinating some without pretense
To Heav'n, and some to hell for no offense;
Inflicting endless pains for transient crimes,
And fav'ring sects, or nations, men or climbs.

None would fierce zeal for piety mistake,
Or malice for whatever tenets sake,
Or think salvation to a few confined
And heav'n too narrow to contain mankind!"

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#179 – DYER'S LIFE OF ROBINSON (eighteenth century)
In a letter to a friend, Robert Robinson wrote

"These believers in eternal torment are never shocked; they never blush; but affirm, 'This is wise and just, and kind; and it will be more glorious to God to save me, and damn them to endless and unavoidable woe, than it would be to share eternal life amongst us, and we few, though we hate one another here, shall be the happier for the damnation of the rest.'

Barbarians! What arrogant madness inspires you?
Poor * honies! -- servants that know not what their Lord doth.
O my soul, to such be not thou united.
Cursed be their anger, for it is cruel.

* (definition of "honies" – "the common man without proper revelation")

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#180 – SERMONS by George Walker (eighteenth century)

"Some have thought that they could not clothe the future punishment of sin with sufficient terrors, and have given therefore, such exaggerated descriptions of them, both as to degree and duration, as in the opinion of many, can no way be reconciled with just sentiments of God.

The future punishment of the wicked does, in God's nature, suppose a capacity to be relieved of it, of gradually acquiring that better state of mind, and returning inclination towards virtue, which is the first and most desirable end of all punishment."

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#181 – From a letter by John Henderson to Dr. Joseph Priestly (eighteenth century)

"God hath declared that His will is that all should be saved; therefore, the doctrine which forges a contrary will, falsifies supreme unchangeable truth.

Unceasing torments can answer no possible good to anyone in the universe. I conclude them to be neither the will or work of God. Could I suppose them, I must believe them to be inflicted by a wantonness or cruelty which words cannot express, nor heart conceive.
But let this be the comfort of every humble soul, that it hath pleased God to reconcile all things to Himself."

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#181 – From a letter by John Henderson to Dr. Joseph Priestly (eighteenth century)

"God hath declared that His will is that all should be saved; therefore, the doctrine which forges a contrary will, falsifies supreme unchangeable truth.

My sometimes once friends can tolerate my belief that all will be saved, with a condescending thought balloon that reads ("He just can't understand the judgment of God")......

That is, until I, as I must, declare.... "THIS IS THE VERY GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST, THAT ALL SHALL BE REDEEMED, and ANY OTHER GOSPEL IS IN ERROR".... at which time they gnash upon me with their teeth and declare me to be in danger of the eternal torment, or annihilation, which I have untaught.

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#181 – From a letter by John Henderson to Dr. Joseph Priestly (eighteenth century)

"God hath declared that His will is that all should be saved; therefore, the doctrine which forges a contrary will, falsifies supreme unchangeable truth.

My sometimes once friends can tolerate my belief that all will be saved, with a condescending thought balloon that reads ("He just can't understand the judgment of God")......

That is, until I, as I must, declare.... "THIS IS THE VERY GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST, THAT ALL SHALL BE REDEEMED, and ANY OTHER GOSPEL IS IN ERROR".... at which time they gnash upon me with their teeth and declare me to be in danger of the eternal torment, or annihilation, which I have untaught.

Hi eaglesway.

I'm 73 and it's been my long time experience to keep learning that most URs have lost and are condemned by their former ET friends. It seems to be par for the UR course.

For me the choice was to either lose my ET friends, or be locked away for life in a mental hospital over my inability to keep pretending that I loved an ET god.
The issue caused me to have a twelve year nervous breakdown (1966-78). I was able to recover by listening to, and reading the works of Ray Prinzing (my hero and mentor). BTW, all of Ray's writings can be read on the internet. Just type in Ray Prinzing. His REDEMPTION ALL IN ALL is particularly good!
http://hellbusters.8m.com/contall.htm

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#182 – LITERARY HOURS – Dr. Nathan Drake

"That sin and torture should be eternal can neither accord with the justice nor the goodness of Deity, and would appear to many devout Christians to convert the God they should adore and love, into a perfect demon. Fortunately, however, an opinion so repulsive is neither accordant with reason, nor the Scriptures."

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#183 – MISCELLANEOUS MAXIMS AND THOUGHTS – William Matthews

"In my childhood I found it impossible to fix my belief in the common notion of endless torments. I discovered there are plain arguments from reason and Scripture against that presumptuous doctrine of endless punishment, and I am now cheered with the rational, Scriptural, and as I think, glorious doctrine of the punishment of Divine justice being eventually subservient to a universal purification and fitness for heavenly habitations."

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#181 – From a letter by John Henderson to Dr. Joseph Priestly (eighteenth century)

"God hath declared that His will is that all should be saved; therefore, the doctrine which forges a contrary will, falsifies supreme unchangeable truth.

My sometimes once friends can tolerate my belief that all will be saved, with a condescending thought balloon that reads ("He just can't understand the judgment of God")......

That is, until I, as I must, declare.... "THIS IS THE VERY GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST, THAT ALL SHALL BE REDEEMED, and ANY OTHER GOSPEL IS IN ERROR".... at which time they gnash upon me with their teeth and declare me to be in danger of the eternal torment, or annihilation, which I have untaught.

Hi eaglesway.

I'm 73 and it's been my long time experience to keep learning that most URs have lost and are condemned by their former ET friends. It seems to be par for the UR course.

For me the choice was to either lose my ET friends, or be locked away for life in a mental hospital over my inability to keep pretending that I loved an ET god.
The issue caused me to have a twelve year nervous breakdown (1966-78). I was able to recover by listening to, and reading the works of Ray Prinzing (my hero and mentor). BTW, all of Ray's writings can be read on the internet. Just type in Ray Prinzing. His REDEMPTION ALL IN ALL is particularly good!
http://hellbusters.8m.com/contall.htm

I first heard the glorious gospel of the salvation of all in 1980. I wrestled between UR and annihilation for years. ET never registered with me, somehow I always knew that was off. I really began proclaiming the reconciliation of all as "the good news" and as "the Only Good News" maybe 10 years ago, when, after the Lord had provided me an extended period of dedicated time to study through evry question I had and thoroughly study through the Greek and Hebrew along with contextual issues- I felt the confidence and the confirmation in the spirit to stand boldy for the victorious gospel of Jesus Christ. Now, I find that gentleness and boldness (combined with consideration for the struggles of others who must overturn their assumptions and traditions to embrace the teaching of the Holy Spirit--even as I struggled) releases the beautiful feet of those who run upon the high places proclaiming GOOD NEWS.

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#181 – From a letter by John Henderson to Dr. Joseph Priestly (eighteenth century)

"God hath declared that His will is that all should be saved; therefore, the doctrine which forges a contrary will, falsifies supreme unchangeable truth.

My sometimes once friends can tolerate my belief that all will be saved, with a condescending thought balloon that reads ("He just can't understand the judgment of God")......

That is, until I, as I must, declare.... "THIS IS THE VERY GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST, THAT ALL SHALL BE REDEEMED, and ANY OTHER GOSPEL IS IN ERROR".... at which time they gnash upon me with their teeth and declare me to be in danger of the eternal torment, or annihilation, which I have untaught.

Hi eaglesway.

I'm 73 and it's been my long time experience to keep learning that most URs have lost and are condemned by their former ET friends. It seems to be par for the UR course.

For me the choice was to either lose my ET friends, or be locked away for life in a mental hospital over my inability to keep pretending that I loved an ET god.
The issue caused me to have a twelve year nervous breakdown (1966-78). I was able to recover by listening to, and reading the works of Ray Prinzing (my hero and mentor). BTW, all of Ray's writings can be read on the internet. Just type in Ray Prinzing. His REDEMPTION ALL IN ALL is particularly good!
http://hellbusters.8m.com/contall.htm

I first heard the glorious gospel of the salvation of all in 1980. I wrestled between UR and annihilation for years. ET never registered with me, somehow I always knew that was off. I really began proclaiming the reconciliation of all as "the good news" and as "the Only Good News" maybe 10 years ago, when, after the Lord had provided me an extended period of dedicated time to study through evry question I had and thoroughly study through the Greek and Hebrew along with contextual issues- I felt the confidence and the confirmation in the spirit to stand boldy for the victorious gospel of Jesus Christ. Now, I find that gentleness and boldness (combined with consideration for the struggles of others who must overturn their assumptions and traditions to embrace the teaching of the Holy Spirit--even as I struggled) releases the beautiful feet of those who run upon the high places proclaiming GOOD NEWS.

Thanks for sharing that eaglesway. Just like you, nothing brings me greater joy than to bring the really good news to others! 

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#184 – CHRIST GLORIFIED IN THE SALVATION AND RESTORATION OF ALL MANKIND – Francis Leicester

"But the Scripture which crowns all, and the last which I shall bring into proof, is Revelation 5:13. Here all creation is at Christ's feet, and that not with tears in their eyes, or petitions in their hands, not with crying or supplications or weeping because things were hidden and kept secret; but with joy in their hearts, and praises in their mouths; with melody on their lips, and hallelujahs on their tongues; with looks and countenances full of satisfaction and delight; and their faces, instead of gathering blackness, turning into paleness, or being covered with shame and confusion (as once was the case with some of them) they all now shine as the sun, replete with light, life and love, full of ecstasy and rapture. And that because the book written within and on the backside, and sealed with seven seals, is now opened and unsealed, and all things revealed and explained: their own cases particularly unfolded to their view, with all the ways and means their loving Saviour took to bring them to the situation they are now in, with other miracles of grace and love.

Where then there is universal praise and thanksgiving, universal harmony and love, and both heaven and earth sounding and resounding acclamations of joy and peace, there must be universal salvation."

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the coup de grace

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the coup de grace

And to think, eaglesway, our imaginations are probably grossly underestimating how gloriously God will achieve universal transformation. 

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#185 – Anna Letitia Barbuald, widow of Rev. Rochemont Barbuald wrote
"Rochemont's favorite doctrine was the final salvation of all the human race. He preached many sermons on this doctrine, which he defended both in the pulpit and in conversation with zeal and enthusiasm, which his congregation and his friends cannot but well remember."

Anna further commented, "I think it would be desirable to separate from religion that idea of gloom, which in this country (England) has but too generally accompanied it.
No one who embraces the common idea of future endless torments, that sins committed against an infinite Being do therefore deserve infinite punishment, no one, I will venture to assert, can believe such tenants, and have them often in his thoughts, and yet be cheerful.

Surely this age (the eighteenth century) which has demolished dungeons, rejected torture, and given so fair a prospect of abolishing the iniquity of the slave trade, cannot long retain among its articles of belief, the gloomy perplexities of Calvinism, and the heart-withering perspective of cruel and never-ending punishments."

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the coup de grace

And to think, eaglesway, our imaginations are probably grossly underestimating how gloriously God will achieve universal transformation. 

Exceedingly above and beyond all we could ask or think         

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the coup de grace

And to think, eaglesway, our imaginations are probably grossly underestimating how gloriously God will achieve universal transformation. 

Exceedingly above and beyond all we could ask or think         

#186 – AN ESSAY ON UNIVERSAL REDEMPTION; TENDING TO PROVE THAT THE GENERAL SENSE OF SCRIPTURE FAVORS THE OPINION OF THE FINAL SALVATION OF ALL MANKIND. – Rev. John Brown (eighteenth century)

In UNIVERSALIST MISCELLANY, commenting on that work, William Vidler wrote, "He considers the genuine import of the words and phrases which are though to prove the endless duration of punishment, which he contends do not necessarily bear that sense, and he touches upon the usual topics of argument by which universalism has been defended."

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#187 – CONVERSATIONS ON THE DIVINE GOVERNMENT – Theophilus Lindsey

"The doctrine of eternal torments is a millstone that Christians hang around the neck of the Gospel. The words translated 'eternal,' 'everlasting,' 'forever,' and the like, generally signify limited periods of duration.

Everything is from God, and for the good of all. All things, good as well as what we call evil, are appointed by Infinite Wisdom and Benevolence, for the wisest and most gracious purposes for everyone."

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#187 – CONVERSATIONS ON THE DIVINE GOVERNMENT – Theophilus Lindsey

"The doctrine of eternal torments is a millstone that Christians hang around the neck of the Gospel. The words translated 'eternal,' 'everlasting,' 'forever,' and the like, generally signify limited periods of duration.

Everything is from God, and for the good of all. All things, good as well as what we call evil, are appointed by Infinite Wisdom and Benevolence, for the wisest and most gracious purposes for everyone."

Beautiful but, I would prefer to say the words translated eternal, forever, everlasting, etc, generally signify indefinite periods of duration(sometimes just, along way back or forward; 1)sometimes just, an indefinite period that is determined by the completion of its purpose; 2)sometimes forward never having no end; 3)sometimes totally transcending time forward, backward, around and throughout). They all come from OLAM I think, a word always defined in part by context and the subject upon which it is focused. Sometimes olam/aionos does mean forever, eternal or everlasting.

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#187 – CONVERSATIONS ON THE DIVINE GOVERNMENT – Theophilus Lindsey

"The doctrine of eternal torments is a millstone that Christians hang around the neck of the Gospel. The words translated 'eternal,' 'everlasting,' 'forever,' and the like, generally signify limited periods of duration.

Everything is from God, and for the good of all. All things, good as well as what we call evil, are appointed by Infinite Wisdom and Benevolence, for the wisest and most gracious purposes for everyone."

Beautiful but, I would prefer to say the words translated eternal, forever, everlasting, etc, generally signify indefinite periods of duration(sometimes just, along way back or forward; 1)sometimes just, an indefinite period that is determined by the completion of its purpose; 2)sometimes forward never having no end; 3)sometimes totally transcending time forward, backward, around and throughout). They all come from OLAM I think, a word always defined in part by context and the subject upon which it is focused. Sometimes olam/aionos does mean forever, eternal or everlasting.

eaglesway, I like this explanation by Dean Hough

"In THE VOCABULARY OF THE GREEK TESTAMENT (edited by James Hope Moulton and George Milligan) Concerning aionios we read, "In general, the word depicts that of which the horizon is not in view . . ." (p.16). If the horizon of the extermination spoken of by Paul in 2 Thessalonians 1:9 is simply not in view, then we can see that what Paul says in 1 Corinthians 15:22 can truly occur. The same all who are dying in Adam, which includes some who incur eonian extermination, can indeed eventually be vivified in Christ. The Bible, in fact, does not speak of judgment and condemnation, death and destruction, hades and Gehenna, or any of these serious consequences of sin, as unending. It may refer to them as not having the end in view, but none of these fearful works of God can keep Him from achieving His will (1Tim.2:4); reconciling all through the blood of Christ's cross (Col.1:20, and becoming All in all (1 Cor.15:28).".
Dean Hough

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#188 – About Dr. Joseph Priestly, Thomas Whittimore writes in THE MODERN HISTORY OF UNIVERSALISM

"He believed that God's punishment will not be administered with the slightest tincture of revenge, but as a necessary means of qualifying the sinner for a better state of existence, which his present propensities disqualify him from enjoying. It is not the effect of anger in an irritated and avenging tyrant as the abominable tenets of orthodoxy would induce us to think of the Deity, but it is the medicine administered for our good by the Physician of our souls. Nor have we any reason to believe that it is greater in degree, or longer in duration than is necessary to produce the beneficial effect for which it is inflicted.

It was a constant source of great consolation to him, that all thing exist and move on harmoniously to produce universal good by Divine appointment and direction."

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#189 – In an introduction to his translation of the New Testament, Nathaniel Scarlett wrote
"It has been a means of propagating the doctrine of endless damnation, which states that God will kindle a fire, and so constantly supply it with combustible matter, brimstone, by His all creating power, as to endure as long as He Himself shall exist; and that the subjects of future punishment, being raised incorruptible and indissoluble, shall for the same period endure burning in the lake of fire, God having no end in view but the endless misery of His creatures.

The editor hopes the translation he has given will help to remove so degrading an idea of God, Who is love; and although He will afflict the wicked in the lake of fire and brimstone; yet He has a great and grand design in so doing – punishment being a means to accomplish an end, and not the end itself."

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#190 – In a letter to a friend, James Edmands (nineteenth century) wrote

"The death of Christ ensured the restoration of all as a result. Men are now in the hands of a Mediator, Who deals with them as rational and accountable beings, and afflicts, whether here or hereafter, only in order to bring them to a deep sense of their own folly, and then restores them to His favor. Those who love and believe in Him in this life, are the first fruits, and those who do not will be the harvest or ingathering."

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#191 – Clement of Alexandria (150-215 A.D.)

"God's justice is, of itself, nothing but goodness; for it rewards the virtuous with blessings, and conduces to the improvement of the sinful. God's punishment is, in its operation, like medicine: it dissolves the hard heart, purges away the filth of uncleanness, and reduces the swellings of pride and haughtiness; thus restoring its subject to a sound and healthful state.

The necessary chastisements of the Great Judge, Who regards all with benignity, will make mankind grieve for their sins and imperfections, and advance them through the various states of discipline to perfection. Even God's wrath is full of benevolence towards the human race; for whose sake the Word of God was made man. The chastisements of God are always salutary and instructive, leading to amendment."

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#192 – Origen Adamantius (185- 254 A.D.)

"The end and consummation of the world will take place when all the wicked shall be subjected to punishments. How long each one shall suffer God only knows. The great variety of characters and different orders of beings which now exist, will, through the goodness of God, their subjection to Jesus Christ, and the unity of the Holy Spirit, be finally restored. As the sick must be cured by harsh medicines, so God administers for the purpose of amendatation.

Our God is a consuming fire. He shall come as a refiner's fire, to purify rational nature from the alloy of wickedness. Rivers of fire are said to go forth before the face of God for the purpose of consuming whatever of evil is admixed with the soul. (Dan. 7:10).

We assert that the Word, Who is the Wisdom of God, shall bring together all intelligent creatures, and convert them to His own perfection. We deny that of all the vices of the soul, there is any which the supreme Word cannot cure. For the Word is more powerful than all the diseases of the soul; and He applies His remedies to each one, according to the pleasure of God. And the consummation of all things will be the extinction of sin.
This may not, indeed, take place with mankind in the present life, but be accomplished after they shall have been liberated from the body."

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#193 – AGAINST THE MANICHEANS - Titus of Bostra (written 364 A.D)

"The abyss of hell is indeed the place of torment; but it is not eternal. The punishments are holy, as they are remedial and salutary in their effect upon transgressors; for they are inflicted, not to preserve them in their wickedness, but to make them cease from their wickedness."