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Re: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT
« Reply #250 on: January 23, 2012, 06:03:44 PM »
the coup de grace
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« Reply #251 on: January 24, 2012, 01:55:50 PM »
the coup de grace

And to think, eaglesway, our imaginations are probably grossly underestimating how gloriously God will achieve universal transformation.  :bigGrin:
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« Reply #252 on: January 24, 2012, 01:57:30 PM »
#185 Anna Letitia Barbuald, widow of Rev. Rochemont Barbuald wrote
"Rochemont's favorite doctrine was the final salvation of all the human race. He preached many sermons on this doctrine, which he defended both in the pulpit and in conversation with zeal and enthusiasm, which his congregation and his friends cannot but well remember."

Anna further commented, "I think it would be desirable to separate from religion that idea of gloom, which in this country (England) has but too generally accompanied it.
No one who embraces the common idea of future endless torments, that sins committed against an infinite Being do therefore deserve infinite punishment, no one, I will venture to assert, can believe such tenants, and have them often in his thoughts, and yet be cheerful.

Surely this age (the eighteenth century) which has demolished dungeons, rejected torture, and given so fair a prospect of abolishing the iniquity of the slave trade, cannot long retain among its articles of belief, the gloomy perplexities of Calvinism, and the heart-withering perspective of cruel and never-ending punishments."
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Re: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT
« Reply #253 on: January 24, 2012, 08:17:46 PM »
the coup de grace

And to think, eaglesway, our imaginations are probably grossly underestimating how gloriously God will achieve universal transformation.  :bigGrin:

Exceedingly above and beyond all we could ask or think  :reachout:  :boydance:   :egyptdance: :Egyptdance2:  :bgdance:
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Re: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT
« Reply #254 on: January 25, 2012, 03:24:55 PM »
the coup de grace

And to think, eaglesway, our imaginations are probably grossly underestimating how gloriously God will achieve universal transformation.  :bigGrin:

Exceedingly above and beyond all we could ask or think  :reachout:  :boydance:   :egyptdance: :Egyptdance2:  :bgdance:

#186 AN ESSAY ON UNIVERSAL REDEMPTION; TENDING TO PROVE THAT THE GENERAL SENSE OF SCRIPTURE FAVORS THE OPINION OF THE FINAL SALVATION OF ALL MANKIND. Rev. John Brown (eighteenth century)

In UNIVERSALIST MISCELLANY, commenting on that work, William Vidler wrote, "He considers the genuine import of the words and phrases which are though to prove the endless duration of punishment, which he contends do not necessarily bear that sense, and he touches upon the usual topics of argument by which universalism has been defended."
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« Reply #255 on: January 26, 2012, 04:34:18 PM »
#187 CONVERSATIONS ON THE DIVINE GOVERNMENT Theophilus Lindsey

"The doctrine of eternal torments is a millstone that Christians hang around the neck of the Gospel. The words translated 'eternal,' 'everlasting,' 'forever,' and the like, generally signify limited periods of duration.

Everything is from God, and for the good of all. All things, good as well as what we call evil, are appointed by Infinite Wisdom and Benevolence, for the wisest and most gracious purposes for everyone."
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« Reply #256 on: January 27, 2012, 02:09:31 AM »
#187 CONVERSATIONS ON THE DIVINE GOVERNMENT Theophilus Lindsey

"The doctrine of eternal torments is a millstone that Christians hang around the neck of the Gospel. The words translated 'eternal,' 'everlasting,' 'forever,' and the like, generally signify limited periods of duration.

Everything is from God, and for the good of all. All things, good as well as what we call evil, are appointed by Infinite Wisdom and Benevolence, for the wisest and most gracious purposes for everyone."

Beautiful but, I would prefer to say the words translated eternal, forever, everlasting, etc, generally signify indefinite periods of duration(sometimes just, along way back or forward; 1)sometimes just, an indefinite period that is determined by the completion of its purpose; 2)sometimes forward never having no end; 3)sometimes totally transcending time forward, backward, around and throughout). They all come from OLAM I think, a word always defined in part by context and the subject upon which it is focused. Sometimes olam/aionos does mean forever, eternal or everlasting. :2c:
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Re: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT
« Reply #257 on: January 27, 2012, 03:02:52 PM »
#187 CONVERSATIONS ON THE DIVINE GOVERNMENT Theophilus Lindsey

"The doctrine of eternal torments is a millstone that Christians hang around the neck of the Gospel. The words translated 'eternal,' 'everlasting,' 'forever,' and the like, generally signify limited periods of duration.

Everything is from God, and for the good of all. All things, good as well as what we call evil, are appointed by Infinite Wisdom and Benevolence, for the wisest and most gracious purposes for everyone."

Beautiful but, I would prefer to say the words translated eternal, forever, everlasting, etc, generally signify indefinite periods of duration(sometimes just, along way back or forward; 1)sometimes just, an indefinite period that is determined by the completion of its purpose; 2)sometimes forward never having no end; 3)sometimes totally transcending time forward, backward, around and throughout). They all come from OLAM I think, a word always defined in part by context and the subject upon which it is focused. Sometimes olam/aionos does mean forever, eternal or everlasting. :2c:

eaglesway, I like this explanation by Dean Hough

"In THE VOCABULARY OF THE GREEK TESTAMENT (edited by James Hope Moulton and George Milligan) Concerning aionios we read, "In general, the word depicts that of which the horizon is not in view . . ." (p.16). If the horizon of the extermination spoken of by Paul in 2 Thessalonians 1:9 is simply not in view, then we can see that what Paul says in 1 Corinthians 15:22 can truly occur. The same all who are dying in Adam, which includes some who incur eonian extermination, can indeed eventually be vivified in Christ. The Bible, in fact, does not speak of judgment and condemnation, death and destruction, hades and Gehenna, or any of these serious consequences of sin, as unending. It may refer to them as not having the end in view, but none of these fearful works of God can keep Him from achieving His will (1Tim.2:4); reconciling all through the blood of Christ's cross (Col.1:20, and becoming All in all (1 Cor.15:28).".
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Re: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT
« Reply #258 on: January 27, 2012, 03:05:56 PM »
#188 About Dr. Joseph Priestly, Thomas Whittimore writes in THE MODERN HISTORY OF UNIVERSALISM

"He believed that God's punishment will not be administered with the slightest tincture of revenge, but as a necessary means of qualifying the sinner for a better state of existence, which his present propensities disqualify him from enjoying. It is not the effect of anger in an irritated and avenging tyrant as the abominable tenets of orthodoxy would induce us to think of the Deity, but it is the medicine administered for our good by the Physician of our souls. Nor have we any reason to believe that it is greater in degree, or longer in duration than is necessary to produce the beneficial effect for which it is inflicted.

It was a constant source of great consolation to him, that all thing exist and move on harmoniously to produce universal good by Divine appointment and direction."
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« Reply #259 on: January 28, 2012, 03:35:40 PM »
#189 In an introduction to his translation of the New Testament, Nathaniel Scarlett wrote
"It has been a means of propagating the doctrine of endless damnation, which states that God will kindle a fire, and so constantly supply it with combustible matter, brimstone, by His all creating power, as to endure as long as He Himself shall exist; and that the subjects of future punishment, being raised incorruptible and indissoluble, shall for the same period endure burning in the lake of fire, God having no end in view but the endless misery of His creatures.

The editor hopes the translation he has given will help to remove so degrading an idea of God, Who is love; and although He will afflict the wicked in the lake of fire and brimstone; yet He has a great and grand design in so doing punishment being a means to accomplish an end, and not the end itself."
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« Reply #260 on: January 29, 2012, 02:59:15 PM »
#190 In a letter to a friend, James Edmands (nineteenth century) wrote

"The death of Christ ensured the restoration of all as a result. Men are now in the hands of a Mediator, Who deals with them as rational and accountable beings, and afflicts, whether here or hereafter, only in order to bring them to a deep sense of their own folly, and then restores them to His favor. Those who love and believe in Him in this life, are the first fruits, and those who do not will be the harvest or ingathering."
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« Reply #261 on: January 30, 2012, 09:01:44 PM »
#191 Clement of Alexandria (150-215 A.D.)

"God's justice is, of itself, nothing but goodness; for it rewards the virtuous with blessings, and conduces to the improvement of the sinful. God's punishment is, in its operation, like medicine: it dissolves the hard heart, purges away the filth of uncleanness, and reduces the swellings of pride and haughtiness; thus restoring its subject to a sound and healthful state.

The necessary chastisements of the Great Judge, Who regards all with benignity, will make mankind grieve for their sins and imperfections, and advance them through the various states of discipline to perfection. Even God's wrath is full of benevolence towards the human race; for whose sake the Word of God was made man. The chastisements of God are always salutary and instructive, leading to amendment."
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« Reply #262 on: January 31, 2012, 02:24:05 PM »
#192 Origen Adamantius (185- 254 A.D.)

"The end and consummation of the world will take place when all the wicked shall be subjected to punishments. How long each one shall suffer God only knows. The great variety of characters and different orders of beings which now exist, will, through the goodness of God, their subjection to Jesus Christ, and the unity of the Holy Spirit, be finally restored. As the sick must be cured by harsh medicines, so God administers for the purpose of amendatation.

Our God is a consuming fire. He shall come as a refiner's fire, to purify rational nature from the alloy of wickedness. Rivers of fire are said to go forth before the face of God for the purpose of consuming whatever of evil is admixed with the soul. (Dan. 7:10).

We assert that the Word, Who is the Wisdom of God, shall bring together all intelligent creatures, and convert them to His own perfection. We deny that of all the vices of the soul, there is any which the supreme Word cannot cure. For the Word is more powerful than all the diseases of the soul; and He applies His remedies to each one, according to the pleasure of God. And the consummation of all things will be the extinction of sin.
This may not, indeed, take place with mankind in the present life, but be accomplished after they shall have been liberated from the body."
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« Reply #263 on: February 02, 2012, 05:34:07 PM »
#193 AGAINST THE MANICHEANS - Titus of Bostra (written 364 A.D)

"The abyss of hell is indeed the place of torment; but it is not eternal. The punishments are holy, as they are remedial and salutary in their effect upon transgressors; for they are inflicted, not to preserve them in their wickedness, but to make them cease from their wickedness."
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« Reply #264 on: February 03, 2012, 04:22:06 PM »
#194 Gregory of Nyssa (335-390)

What is the scope of St. Paul's dissertations? That the nature of evil shall, at length, be wholly exterminated, and divine immortal goodness embrace within itself every rational creature; so that of all who were made by God, not one shall be excluded from His kingdom. All the viciousness that like a corrupt matter is mingled in things shall be dissolved and consumed in fire; and everything shall be restored to its pristine state of purity.

In 1Cor. 15:22-28, the apostle Paul declares the extinction of all sin, saying that God will be All in all. For God will be truly All in all only when no evil shall remain in the nature of things. All evil must at length, be entirely removed from everything, so that it shall no more exist. For such being the nature of sin, that it cannot exist without a corrupt motive, it must, of course, be perfectly dissolved and wholly destroyed, so that nothing can remain a receptacle of it, when all motive and influences shall spring from God alone.

As the devil assumed a fleshly shape in order to ruin human nature, so the Lord took flesh for the salvation of man; and thus He blesses not only him who was ruined, but him also who led him into perdition; so that He both delivers man from sin, and heals the author of sin himself."
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« Reply #265 on: February 03, 2012, 04:48:37 PM »
There is but one fire. It is the light of God, which is His love. Children of the Day bask in it, bathe in it, rejoice in it. Children of the darkness writhe in it, as it forces their secrets up from the depths to the surface, where they may be slain, like Leviathan, by the flames that fill His eyes, and the sword that comes from His mouth- His face(countenance,presence) -being as the "sun shining in its strength". "Nothing is hidden that shall not be brought to light". "The light shines in the darkness and the darkness can not overcome it".

 12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. 13 Nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.

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« Reply #266 on: February 04, 2012, 01:30:35 AM »
#195 Didymus, the blind, of Alexandria (313-398 A.D.)

"As mankind, by being reclaimed from their sins, are to be subjected to Christ in the fullness of the dispensation instituted for the salvation of all, so the superior rational intelligences, the angels, will be restored to obedience by correction.

The blasphemy which shall not be forgiven in this age, nor in the age to come, may have been the blinded Jews; and their punishment, that which came upon them when they were delivered up to the Romans, and scattered over the whole earth. They will be pursued with vengeance from the Lord, not for a short period only, but for the whole future age, so that they shall be captives and fugitives, wandering among all nations, and possessing neither city nor country. Nevertheless, as God Who overthrew them is naturally kind and compassionate, He hath still reserved for them a space for repentance."
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« Reply #267 on: February 04, 2012, 02:51:52 PM »
#196 COMMENTARY ON THE NEW TESTAMENT Jerome (347-420 A.D.)

"In the end or consummation of things, all shall be restored to their original state, and be again united in one body. We cannot be ignorant that Christ's blood benefited the angels and those who are in hell; though we know not the manner in which it produced such effects. The apostate angels shall become such as they were created; and man, who has been cast out of paradise, shall be restored thither again. And this shall be accomplished in such a way, that all shall be united together by mutual charity, so that the members will delight in each other, and rejoice in each other's promotion.

The apostate angels, and the prince of this world, though now ungovernable, plunging themselves into the depths of sin, shall, in the end, embrace the happy dominion of Christ and His saints.
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« Reply #268 on: February 05, 2012, 03:16:31 PM »
#197 AVITUS and BASIL, A GRECIAN (approx. 410 A.D.) together taught

"Future torments are not endless; for although they are called everlasting, yet that word in the original Greek, does not, according to its etymology, and its frequent use, signify endless, but answers only to the duration of an age; so that every sinner, after the purification of his conscience, shall return into the unity of the body of Christ.
The devil himself will at length be saved, when all his wickedness shall have been subdued.
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« Reply #269 on: February 06, 2012, 03:23:49 PM »
#198 Theodorus of Mopsuestia (350-428 A.D.)

"All sins will be wiped away, because a true remission consists in the remission not of some sins but of all of them, as the blessed John said: "Behold the lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world." This, however, will take place fully in the next world when after the resurrection we shall be immortal and when all the impulses of sins will cease. This is the reason why the blessed Paul also said: "If the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised, and if Christ be not raised your faith is vain and ye are yet in your sins." He shows in this that in the future resurrection from the dead we are expecting complete abolition of sin.

"When this corruptible shall have put on incorruption and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, 'Death is swallowed up in victory. O grave, where is thy victory? O death, where is thy sting?' The sting of death is sin, and the strength of the sin is the law." Then will truly take place the abolition of all these: of death, sin and corruption."
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« Reply #270 on: February 06, 2012, 06:07:12 PM »
There is but one fire. It is the light of God, which is His love. Children of the Day bask in it, bathe in it, rejoice in it. Children of the darkness writhe in it, as it forces their secrets up from the depths to the surface, where they may be slain, like Leviathan, by the flames that fill His eyes, and the sword that comes from His mouth- His face(countenance,presence) -being as the "sun shining in its strength". "Nothing is hidden that shall not be brought to light". "The light shines in the darkness and the darkness can not overcome it".

 12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. 13 Nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.

  Love this !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!AMEN !  WELL SAID !!!  :HeartThrob:


made me think of Isaish 33 ! love that chapter so much ,  made me see the  God is a counsuming fire , so much more perfectly  and His   Spiritual sons of Glory are a Light /truth   and Fire /Spirit   they are very close  indeed  :icon_flower:


Isa 33:14 The sinners in Zion are afraid;

 fearfulness has surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?

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« Reply #271 on: June 02, 2012, 08:44:47 AM »
 :bigGrin: I feel as if i hav stepped into a tIme machine :o) Nice post Rosie! HAHAHAHA

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« Reply #272 on: June 02, 2012, 02:42:15 PM »
#199 - John Scottus Eriugena (810-877 A.D)

"There will be a conscious return (reditus) and merging of all beings into God. No souls (including the souls of animals) will be left out of this grand return. No one will be damned to suffer forever in hell or wither away into oblivion. There can only be a single destination for all: eternal salvation in God, the whole of humanity as in the image of God eventually to be restored to its divine exemplar.

The object of punishment is not the will of the individual himself, but the misdirection of the will, so the result of punishment is the final purification and redemption of all. Even the devils shall be saved. The ultimate goal is deification, theosis or resumption into the divine being, when the individual soul is raised to a full knowledge of God, and where knowing and being are one."
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« Reply #273 on: June 03, 2012, 10:25:39 AM »
#200 THE RESTORATION OF ALL THINGS Jeremiah White (1613-72 A.D)

"God's love demands that all punishment be reformative, Divine punishment is both good in itself, because everything that God does is good, and good for those being punished, because God loves His creation"
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« Reply #274 on: June 04, 2012, 05:51:30 AM »
#199 - John Scottus Eriugena (810-877 A.D)

"There will be a conscious return (reditus) and merging of all beings into God. No souls (including the souls of animals) will be left out of this grand return. No one will be damned to suffer forever in hell or wither away into oblivion. There can only be a single destination for all: eternal salvation in God, the whole of humanity as in the image of God eventually to be restored to its divine exemplar.

The object of punishment is not the will of the individual himself, but the misdirection of the will, so the result of punishment is the final purification and redemption of all. Even the devils shall be saved. The ultimate goal is deification, theosis or resumption into the divine being, when the individual soul is raised to a full knowledge of God, and where knowing and being are one."

wow, i love this one. i have been saying this for years, but he said it so succinctly! :o)
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