Author Topic: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT (Read 37213 times)

rodgertutt · « **on:** July 13, 2011, 04:51:51 PM »

#1 - A SNIPPET FROM REDEMPTION ALL IN ALL - RAY PRINZING (my hero and mentor)
All of his writings can be Googled up by typing in his name.

"Aionian punishment means of the age, or age during. It is a period of time designated by God for the bringing to naught that which is wrong. God will mete out exactly the amount of time necessary for correction, but it will not be prolonged beyond that which is needed. All of God's punishments are corrective in nature, motivated by His love, and used to work into our good and His praise."

micah7:9 · « **Reply #1 on:** July 13, 2011, 05:54:54 PM »

Quote from: rodgertutt on July 13, 2011, 04:51:51 PM

#1 - A SNIPPET FROM REDEMPTION ALL IN ALL - RAY PRINZING (my hero and mentor)
All of his writings can be Googled up by typing in his name.

"Aionian punishment means of the age, or age during. It is a period of time designated by God for the bringing to naught that which is wrong. God will mete out exactly the amount of time necessary for correction, but it will not be prolonged beyond that which is needed. All of God's punishments are corrective in nature, motivated by His love, and used to work into our good and His praise."

Amen.
I too found Ray Prinzing to be my mentor. I miss him a great deal.

rodgertutt · « **Reply #2 on:** July 13, 2011, 06:52:47 PM »

Quote from: micah7:9 on July 13, 2011, 05:54:54 PM

Quote from: rodgertutt on July 13, 2011, 04:51:51 PM
#1 - A SNIPPET FROM REDEMPTION ALL IN ALL - RAY PRINZING (my hero and mentor)
All of his writings can be Googled up by typing in his name.

"Aionian punishment means of the age, or age during. It is a period of time designated by God for the bringing to naught that which is wrong. God will mete out exactly the amount of time necessary for correction, but it will not be prolonged beyond that which is needed. All of God's punishments are corrective in nature, motivated by His love, and used to work into our good and His praise."

Amen.
I too found Ray Prinzing to be my mentor. I miss him a great deal.

Ray helped many people as one can see when they read the several pages of Google links

Here is snippet #2

A SNIPPET FROM ALL IN ALL – A.E. KNOCH (one of the most prominent URs of the last century).

"The terms translated 'forever' and 'everlasting' and 'never' are human perversions which could never have deceived us if they had been consistently rendered. They denote definite divisions of time called ages or eons. All together they form a distinct portion of time called eonian times.

Destruction, like salvation, is eonian. It is not the end or aim of God. God destroys nothing that He will not restore. He loses nothing that will not return to Him laden with praise and glory for Himself. Destruction is a passing process, not a finished goal. Through God it will work out the welfare of all of His creatures and the glory of our Savior.
(Editor's note: Scriptures that seem to disagree with this conclusion are addressed in his book)
http://www.lighthouselibrary.com/read.php?sel=2586&searchfor=||KNOCH, ADOLPH E||&type=&what=author

rodgertutt · « **Reply #3 on:** July 14, 2011, 02:23:42 PM »

#3 – A SNIPPET FROM THE PROBLEM OF EVIL AND THE JUDGMENTS OF GOD – A.E. KNOCH

"I, for one, freely confess that, without a knowledge of the consummation, when God will reconcile all and become All in all, I could not have confidence in a deity who allowed the world to work itself into such a mess, and who can do little more for most men than to sweep them into destruction, extinction or torment.

But now, how can I distrust God? Mankind is just where He has brought it. The effect of all the present evil and distress will be salutary. God will get glory out of it, and men will be prepared by it to appreciate the gifts He has in store for them all."

lomarah · « **Reply #4 on:** July 14, 2011, 03:16:08 PM »

Quote from: rodgertutt on July 14, 2011, 02:23:42 PM

#3 – A SNIPPET FROM THE PROBLEM OF EVIL AND THE JUDGMENTS OF GOD – A.E. KNOCH

"I, for one, freely confess that, without a knowledge of the consummation, when God will reconcile all and become All in all, I could not have confidence in a deity who allowed the world to work itself into such a mess, and who can do little more for most men than to sweep them into destruction, extinction or torment.

But now, how can I distrust God? Mankind is just where He has brought it. The effect of all the present evil and distress will be salutary. God will get glory out of it, and men will be prepared by it to appreciate the gifts He has in store for them all."

micah7:9 · « **Reply #5 on:** July 14, 2011, 05:34:39 PM »

Quote from: lomarah on July 14, 2011, 03:16:08 PM

Quote from: rodgertutt on July 14, 2011, 02:23:42 PM
#3 – A SNIPPET FROM THE PROBLEM OF EVIL AND THE JUDGMENTS OF GOD – A.E. KNOCH

"I, for one, freely confess that, without a knowledge of the consummation, when God will reconcile all and become All in all, I could not have confidence in a deity who allowed the world to work itself into such a mess, and who can do little more for most men than to sweep them into destruction, extinction or torment.

But now, how can I distrust God? Mankind is just where He has brought it. The effect of all the present evil and distress will be salutary. God will get glory out of it, and men will be prepared by it to appreciate the gifts He has in store for them all."

sheila · « **Reply #6 on:** July 14, 2011, 09:17:56 PM »

had those same wrestlings. Finally...a GOD I could love. Before it was all fear based[my considering him] and maybe just a tad bit[terrified really].

worried for my own neck. It is written,'your people will offer themselves willingly in the day of your power" weak Christ' portrayed in churches..

did a lot to weaken faith, or should it be weak faith portrayed a weak Christ?

rodgertutt · « **Reply #7 on:** July 15, 2011, 05:09:22 AM »

#4 – A SNIPPET FROM THE INESCAPABLE LOVE OF GOD – THOMAS TALBOTT

"The corrective effects of kolasis aionios last forever. But as a means to an end, it will not last any longer than is necessary to produce the end for which it exists in the first place. When we finally weary of our own selfishness, petty jealousies, and lust for power; when we learn at last, perhaps through bitter experience, that these lead only to ruin and cannot bring enduring happiness, that nothing short of union with God and reconciliation with others will satisfy our own deepest yearnings; when we discover that the Hound of Heaven has finally closed off every alternative to such a union, we shall then, each of us, finally embrace the destiny that is ours."

rodgertutt · « **Reply #8 on:** July 15, 2011, 11:50:35 AM »

#5 – A SNIPPET FROM A TREATISE ON ATONEMENT – HOSEA BALLOU

"We are told of a god who created millions of beings whom he intends for endless torments and puts His whole design into execution; and this is called supreme goodness. In millions of cases this god finds it most for his glory to make his rational, hoping, wanting creatures endlessly miserable.

We are likewise told of a devil who acts for his own gratification, and who delights in making God's creatures miserable; and this is called badness.

Shall we thus represent our kind and merciful Father from Whom streams of goodness continually flow to His wanting, needing creatures? No; let every vibration of sense within us acknowledge His bountiful hand which will never close."

lomarah · « **Reply #9 on:** July 15, 2011, 02:06:15 PM »

Quote from: rodgertutt on July 15, 2011, 05:09:22 AM

#4 – A SNIPPET FROM THE INESCAPABLE LOVE OF GOD – THOMAS TALBOTT

"The corrective effects of kolasis aionios last forever. But as a means to an end, it will not last any longer than is necessary to produce the end for which it exists in the first place. When we finally weary of our own selfishness, petty jealousies, and lust for power; when we learn at last, perhaps through bitter experience, that these lead only to ruin and cannot bring enduring happiness, that nothing short of union with God and reconciliation with others will satisfy our own deepest yearnings; when we discover that the Hound of Heaven has finally closed off every alternative to such a union, we shall then, each of us, finally embrace the destiny that is ours."

Love this!

rodgertutt · « **Reply #10 on:** July 16, 2011, 03:23:57 PM »

#6 – A SNIPPET FROM SALVATOR MUNDI: OR, IS CHRIST THE SAVIOUR OF ALL MEN? – SAMUEL COX

"By insisting on an interpreted translation of a Greek word, would you have the vast majority of men damned to an everlasting torture in order that you may feel quite sure that your timid soul will sit and sing itself away in everlasting bliss?

The main object of this book is to encourage those who faintly trust "the larger hope" to commit themselves to it wholly and fearlessly by showing them that they have ample warrant for it in scriptures of the New Testament."

shawn · « **Reply #11 on:** July 16, 2011, 05:01:55 PM »

Quote from: rodgertutt on July 15, 2011, 05:09:22 AM

#4 – A SNIPPET FROM THE INESCAPABLE LOVE OF GOD – THOMAS TALBOTT

"The corrective effects of kolasis aionios last forever. But as a means to an end, it will not last any longer than is necessary to produce the end for which it exists in the first place. When we finally weary of our own selfishness, petty jealousies, and lust for power; when we learn at last, perhaps through bitter experience, that these lead only to ruin and cannot bring enduring happiness, that nothing short of union with God and reconciliation with others will satisfy our own deepest yearnings; when we discover that the Hound of Heaven has finally closed off every alternative to such a union, we shall then, each of us, finally embrace the destiny that is ours."

In my opinion this is one of the stronger kolasis aionios arguments. The effects of an action lasting forever and not the action itself.

jabcat · « **Reply #12 on:** July 17, 2011, 10:42:44 AM »

Quote from: shawn on July 16, 2011, 05:01:55 PM

Quote from: rodgertutt on July 15, 2011, 05:09:22 AM
#4 – A SNIPPET FROM THE INESCAPABLE LOVE OF GOD – THOMAS TALBOTT

"The corrective effects of kolasis aionios last forever. But as a means to an end, it will not last any longer than is necessary to produce the end for which it exists in the first place. When we finally weary of our own selfishness, petty jealousies, and lust for power; when we learn at last, perhaps through bitter experience, that these lead only to ruin and cannot bring enduring happiness, that nothing short of union with God and reconciliation with others will satisfy our own deepest yearnings; when we discover that the Hound of Heaven has finally closed off every alternative to such a union, we shall then, each of us, finally embrace the destiny that is ours."

In my opinion this is one of the stronger kolasis aionios arguments. The effects of an action lasting forever and not the action itself.

PaoloNuevo · « **Reply #13 on:** July 17, 2011, 11:21:24 AM »

#3 – A SNIPPET FROM THE PROBLEM OF EVIL AND THE JUDGMENTS OF GOD – A.E. KNOCH

"I, for one, freely confess that, without a knowledge of the consummation, when God will reconcile all and become All in all, I could not have confidence in a deity who allowed the world to work itself into such a mess, and who can do little more for most men than to sweep them into destruction, extinction or torment.

But now, how can I distrust God? Mankind is just where He has brought it. The effect of all the present evil and distress will be salutary. God will get glory out of it, and men will be prepared by it to appreciate the gifts He has in store for them all."

rodgertutt · « **Reply #14 on:** July 17, 2011, 02:24:03 PM »

#7 – A SNIPPET FROM GOD'S RULES FOR SCRIPTURAL INTERPRETATION AND MAN'S PLACE IN GOD'S PURPOSE – CHARLES J. PEART

"Sinners do not go away into everlasting punishment. They go into eonian correction. Thank God for the Concordant literal translation, which some in their blindness are condemning. When leaders in the church today condemn something I would be the first one to rush out and get it and examine it for myself. Do not make the mistake of thinking that the majority have the truth It has never been that way and it is not now.

The unscriptural tradition assigning a limit beyond which Christ has no power to save the obstinate sinner has spread universally. It is worldwide. It claims that the will of man can successfully oppose the power and will of God. "God wills all mankind to be saved" (1Tim.2:4). Let us follow our Lord in His denunciation of tradition that makes void the word of God. Let us revel in the full extent of Christ's work and God's victory for all mankind."

jabcat · « **Reply #15 on:** July 17, 2011, 02:40:55 PM »

Quote from: rodgertutt on July 17, 2011, 02:24:03 PM

#7 – A SNIPPET FROM GOD'S RULES FOR SCRIPTURAL INTERPRETATION AND MAN'S PLACE IN GOD'S PURPOSE – CHARLES J. PEART

"Sinners do not go away into everlasting punishment. They go into eonian correction. Thank God for the Concordant literal translation, which some in their blindness are condemning. When leaders in the church today condemn something I would be the first one to rush out and get it and examine it for myself. Do not make the mistake of thinking that the majority have the truth It has never been that way and it is not now.

The unscriptural tradition assigning a limit beyond which Christ has no power to save the obstinate sinner has spread universally. It is worldwide. It claims that the will of man can successfully oppose the power and will of God. "God wills all mankind to be saved" (1Tim.2:4). Let us follow our Lord in His denunciation of tradition that makes void the word of God. Let us revel in the full extent of Christ's work and God's victory for all mankind."

Amen

WhiteWings · « **Reply #16 on:** July 17, 2011, 03:25:19 PM »

I think even the English translation gives a hint.
There is a difference between eternal punishment/correction and eternal punishing/correcting.

CHB · « **Reply #17 on:** July 17, 2011, 05:55:27 PM »

WW, something I have always said. I learned this in the WWCG. Only thing is, they used it to prove that the wicked would be burned up. The word "punishment" indicates an end. The word "punishing" indicates a continuing thing

CHB

rodgertutt · « **Reply #18 on:** July 18, 2011, 01:14:40 PM »

#8 – A SNIPPET FROM THE PURPOSE OF GOD'S WILL – GUY MARKS

"God prearranged it all, from the fall of man to the glory of the consummation. Not one thing was left to chance. All was founded on His wisdom.

To some, evil is never to cease. God is never able, as they see it, to bring about so much good that all evil will vanish. They try to justify God with the false teaching that man is a free moral agent, whereas the only freedom of man which the scriptures affirm is the freedom of deliverance we find alone in Christ Jesus."

rodgertutt · « **Reply #19 on:** July 19, 2011, 02:25:30 AM »

#9 – A SNIPPET FROM A CLOUD OF WITNESSES – J.W. HANSON

"The deliverance of the whole human family from sin and sorrow, its final holiness and happiness, has been the thought of multitudes, even when the prevailing doctrines around them were wholly hostile."

A book of quotes by more than 500 believers in universal salvation.

rodgertutt · « **Reply #20 on:** July 19, 2011, 02:25:18 PM »

#10 – A SNIPPET FROM TRUTH AS I SEE IT – W.F. SALTER

"Does God not love His enemies, even as He has taught us to love ours? If He fails to reconcile even one, must it not be due to a lack of love, or of power? These qualities find their source in Him! So of a certainty He shall bring circumstances to bear which shall ultimately cause all to know, with understanding, His great love manifested in the gift of His Son, and this in turn shall fill each heart with adoration and love, and praise to God.

When God's plans for the ages of time (eonian times) have been accomplished, every experience of man will, under the guidance of His wisdom, work together with every other experience for man's highest ultimate good, as thus redound to God's honor and glory."

rodgertutt · « **Reply #21 on:** July 20, 2011, 10:31:41 AM »

#11 – A SNIPPET FROM A SHORT HELP AND INCENTIVE TO AN UNBIASED INQUIRY INTO THE SCRIPTURE TRUTH OF UNIVERSALISM OR THE FINAL RESTORATION OF ALL THINGS – R. ROE

"The adjective aionios, in the case of the wicked, is restricted to a limited period by its noun kolasis; of which the literal sense is clipping or pruning. It means the kind of punishment which tends to the improvement of the criminal. If endless were the sense of the adjective describing chastisement, it would represent God as acting under the influence of an endlessly vain expectation.

The belief of the Universalist includes a reconciliation of the tenets of Calvinism and Arminianism, by uniting the leading doctrines of both as far as they are found in the Scriptures; from which union they believe that the sentiment of Universal Restoration naturally flows."

rodgertutt · « **Reply #22 on:** July 21, 2011, 02:47:55 PM »

#12 – A SNIPPET FROM THE FIVE SMOOTH STONES OF THE KINGDOM – IRENE LINDSAY

"It is a great giant, this one called eternal hell!!! It can only be killed by the stone of truth taken from the running waters of God's word. These waters have been running for a long time, but the stone to kill the giant is ready now.

God told Israel to set everything free in the year of Jubilee. God is going to have a Jubilee in totality over all sin, all death, and all destruction in this world. This world belongs to God and it shall be restored and shine with glory. God's tapestry is unrolling bit by bit, and when it is all unrolled, the great Jubilee of rest for the entire universe will be unveiled."

rodgertutt · « **Reply #23 on:** July 22, 2011, 10:44:10 AM »

#13 – A SNIPPET FROM TIME AND ETERNITY A BIBLICAL STUDY - G.T. STEVENSON

"Many plain direct statements in the sacred scriptures declare that the purpose of God through our Lord Jesus Christ is to bless all humanity and to bring the whole universe into harmony with Himself. How can this be if myriads of mankind whom He so loves were to be kept alive forever in hopeless misery? And what kind of a god could love the sinner with Calvary love until he died, and then leave him in indescribable suffering eternally?"

rodgertutt · « **Reply #24 on:** July 23, 2011, 12:43:11 PM »

#14 – A SNIPPET FROM THE DIVINE DESTINY – K. ROSS MCKAY

"The great enmity of mankind is but a background to magnify and display the far greater love of our God. Such love is as measureless as it is timeless; a vast portion being yet unrevealed. 'And having made peace through the blood of Christ's cross, by Him to reconcile all unto Himself, whether those on the earth or those in the heavens.'

This plan of the ages is our Lord's ultimate purpose according to the declared will of Almighty God. This is the divine destiny of all in His creation. This is love that never fails."

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Author Topic: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT (Read 37213 times)