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Offline marie glen

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..The sacrifice which has granted us all the remission of sins..

Some thoughts have been taking shape for some time in my mind, like a bubble, but finally the idea popped :laughing7:

I've begun to think it's possible it's the fallen creature itself who requires a sacrifice. Once we see the 'face' of God - the pure and 100% holy Light of Life, perhaps it is we ourselves who ultimately would be satisfied with nothing less than our own sacrifice, after all, the 'soul' that sinneth it shall die, the wages/result of sin is death..

We being that sacrifice..

But surprise!!  :banana: :dsunny:  God built into creation itself our salvation, our rescue. And says, "It is done". "Great is Thy faithfulness.."


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Where does it say no repentance after death? being resurrected still in their sins (the 2nd) during age of Judgment, there's sure to be weeping and wailing & for those habitual despisers of God, gnashing of teeth--who mAy make their way to LOF
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Re: In The Face of Perfection (or, who is it who requires a sacrifice?)
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2014, 07:32:34 PM »

I've begun to think it's possible it's the fallen creature itself who requires a sacrifice.

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Mankind dies, and God goes through the same thing through His Son Jesus Christ.  God took responsibility for the sin of mankind from the day he put the tree and the serpent in the garden.







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Re: In The Face of Perfection (or, who is it who requires a sacrifice?)
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2014, 07:55:32 PM »
..The sacrifice which has granted us all the remission of sins..

I've begun to think it's possible it's the fallen creature itself who requires a sacrifice.


Let's keep thinkin' about that :)

"According to the book of Exodus, Moses came down from Mount Sinai not only with the Ten Commandments, but with a long list of sacrifices that were required for righteousness before God.

Examples abound. The first sacrifice mentioned in the Bible is in Genesis 4 when Abel offered portions of a lamb to God as a sacrificial act. In Exodus 12, we read of the first commanded animal sacrifice in the scriptures. There we find Israel commanded to sacrifice a yearling lamb and to sprinkle blood on the doorframes to ward off the angel of death that was to visit Egypt. Most of the ink in Leviticus was used in prescribing the number and types of sacrifices required by God. Even in Jesus' life we read that there were appropriate sacrifices made for him after his birth: "They offered a sacrifice according to what is stated in the law of the Lord, 'a pair of turtledoves or two young pigeons'" (Luke 2.24). And as an adult, it is clear that he participated in the Passover festival, which included sacrificing a lamb at the Temple (Luke 22)."  - Home Church Network Assoc.
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Re: In The Face of Perfection (or, who is it who requires a sacrifice?)
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2014, 07:59:48 PM »
..The sacrifice which has granted us all the remission of sins..

We being that sacrifice..

But surprise!!  :banana: :dsunny:  God built into creation itself our salvation, our rescue. And says, "It is done". "Great is Thy faithfulness.."

I personally have to be careful what I "think", and remember to try and trust what He says - whether I understand it or not (I often don't).  That said, I don't believe the scripture says we're THE sacrifice, Jesus Is.  And that's what was built into creation for our rescue - "the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world".  Blessings.
Neither should there be vulgar speech, foolish talk, or coarse jesting--all of which are out of character--but rather thanksgiving.  Eph. 5:4  **  Saved 1John 3.2, Eph. 2:8, John 1:12 - Being saved 2Cor. 4:16 2Peter 3:18 - Will be saved 1Peter 1:5 Romans 8:23

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Re: In The Face of Perfection (or, who is it who requires a sacrifice?)
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2014, 08:01:09 PM »
Hi Marie Glen,
I am not quite sure, but if I understand it but here is how I see it using some of the phrasing you used.

The reason God built sacrifice into the Law is because he knew that man would be in a sinful state, and therefore we require a sacrifice of ourselves to be rid of that sinful state. Therefore, God created the Law to require blood, and Jesus provided that blood through his own body to be resurrected and by that life, sacrifices his own followers unto newness of life.

I do agree with James, God did require sacrifices, but that is because we required sacrifice in a spiritual way of ourselves to be free of death. Jesus brings that in the Spirit.

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Re: In The Face of Perfection (or, who is it who requires a sacrifice?)
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2014, 08:09:18 PM »
Jesus did say, take up your cross and follow me. Where are we going with those crosses?

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Re: In The Face of Perfection (or, who is it who requires a sacrifice?)
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2014, 08:35:10 PM »
To die to self - but I don't believe that's THE sacrifice.  I believe that's obedience...to the One who is The sacrifice.  Not to redeem ourselves - He and His sacrifice already did. 
Neither should there be vulgar speech, foolish talk, or coarse jesting--all of which are out of character--but rather thanksgiving.  Eph. 5:4  **  Saved 1John 3.2, Eph. 2:8, John 1:12 - Being saved 2Cor. 4:16 2Peter 3:18 - Will be saved 1Peter 1:5 Romans 8:23

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Re: In The Face of Perfection (or, who is it who requires a sacrifice?)
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2014, 08:45:15 PM »
I see the sacrifice as beyond a historic moment in time, but that we become one with "the" sacrifice. In the physical realm Jesus was the only sacrifice to do away with the old covenant, but in the new, we become unified with that sacrifice through baptism and God requires us to be sacrificed well, hence the commandments to carry the cross.  So, in the flesh Jesus had THE body, but in the Spirit his body is many membered expression of the sacrifice.

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Re: In The Face of Perfection (or, who is it who requires a sacrifice?)
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2014, 09:16:54 PM »
the old man of sin/adam in us is appointed to die.....underlaw without mercy.....but the

new man in Christ/regenerated bears his idenity with the Lamb who laid down his

life willingly in order to take itback up again...no man[of sin/prince of this wrld]takes it

  he lays it down willingly/obediently to his Father's will


  the old man Adam has his life forfeited by sin entering[taken from him]

   perfection comes from obedience through suffering for doing His will

    when you have been forgiven and given eternal life through your faith in Jesus and

received the Holy spirit.....death really has no claim on you as the new creature in

Christ.  Thus..if ye beleive ye shall not die..even if ye die ye shall live.  However if

 the Father desire's..and in obedience to Him you lay it down...ye are partaking of

the likeness of His death.

   we can be be perfected by suffering[even unto death] for obedeince.  that is how

  Jesus was perfected.    Jesus told his disciples 'ye have not yet resisted sin unto

  the spilling of your  blood"   ye can not come know,but will come later.........their

 martyr's death came later.

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Re: In The Face of Perfection (or, who is it who requires a sacrifice?)
« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2014, 06:40:57 AM »
 :thumbsup:

The Bible refers to both a physical and metaphysical death (Romans 6). Physical death and death in sin, the carnal mind. We once knew Christ after the flesh, but we know him after the flesh no longer. Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature.

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Re: In The Face of Perfection (or, who is it who requires a sacrifice?)
« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2014, 06:59:16 PM »
His sacrifice is contagious.

Phil 2:5 Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. 8 Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross

Romans 12:1 Therefore I urge you, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living and holy sacrifice, acceptable to God, which is your spiritual service of worship. 2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect.

If we are becoming partakers in the divine nature and being transformed into the image of Christ, we are becoming living sacrifices, because His sacrifice lives in us daily as we walk in His love. IMO, This is what it means to grow in grace. The branch that abides in the vine bears the same fruit as the vine.
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Re: In The Face of Perfection (or, who is it who requires a sacrifice?)
« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2014, 07:05:42 PM »
His sacrifice is contagious.

That is the most awesome way of saying it.  :dsunny: