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Re: Will He reconcile all THINGS? or all PEOPLE?
« Reply #25 on: October 19, 2014, 08:04:59 AM »
Really ain't bothered by all the if's and such. ALL is all, and as I said my  :2c: whether the all incorporates, skeeters, wasps, flies, grubs, etc. When we start thinking like this I..my opinion...we start showing our bottom. Either way, ALL is ALL, I'll let the the "what" up to the Creator. :dsunny:

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Re: Will He reconcile all THINGS? or all PEOPLE?
« Reply #26 on: October 19, 2014, 10:14:22 AM »
Perhaps not reconcile, but set free might be a better term with regard to the entire creation, as separate from mankind. Creation...whatever may encompass that, will share the freedom of God's children, which of course is speaking about humans.

(Rom 8:19)  For the creation is eagerly awaiting the revelation of God's children,

(Rom 8:20)  because the creation has become subject to futility, though not by anything it did. The one who subjected it did so in the certainty

(Rom 8:21)  that the creation itself would also be set free from corrupting bondage in order to share the glorious freedom of God's children.

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Re: Will He reconcile all THINGS? or all PEOPLE?
« Reply #27 on: October 19, 2014, 04:16:17 PM »
The universe is the manifestation of the power of God from the largest star in outer space to the smallest atom. God is spirit. Life is the activity of spirit. God is who all came out of; God is who is operating all through his will; and God is who all will eventually return into. I think the most comprehensive statement in the inspired written word of God is Romans 11:36 because it says exactly that. See the attachment.
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Re: Will He reconcile all THINGS? or all PEOPLE?
« Reply #28 on: October 19, 2014, 04:35:31 PM »
I, for one, cannot wait to hug a lion. (Seriously.)

I have heard so many stories of people seeing what life will be like after He makes an end of sin and it pretty much always includes animals, and almost always at least one (tame) lion! I don't know why but I have just always wanted to snuggle up to a lion.

(I have also always hoped for no mosquitos, spiders, ticks, and other creepy things to be around for eternity but whatever He's got planned I'm sure it's all good.  :winkgrin:  )
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Re: Will He reconcile all THINGS? or all PEOPLE?
« Reply #29 on: October 19, 2014, 05:21:00 PM »
Amen, sis.

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Re: Will He reconcile all THINGS? or all PEOPLE?
« Reply #30 on: October 19, 2014, 06:13:23 PM »
Greek word G3956 (pas or panta) is translated as "all" or "all things" in most English versions.  As the previous posts, especially by JB and Tom,  indicate "all things" is incorrect.

All is usually an appropriate translation IMO, but not always.  All does not always mean all, entire or whole. In most cases it does.  But sometimes it can mean :as many as", depending on the context. Yeh I know context, context, context.


Strong G3956
all, the whole
Strong's:
πᾶς
all, any, every, the whole
Derivation: including all the forms of declension; apparently a primary word;
KJV Usage: all (manner of, means), alway(-s), any (one), X daily, + ever, every (one, way), as many as, + no(-thing), X thoroughly, whatsoever, whole, whosoever.
Thayer:
1) individually
1a) each, every, any, all, the whole, everyone, all things, everything
2) collectively
2a) some of all types
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In the KJV "all things" is found in 152 verses, in the New Testament, and 80 times in Paul's writings.

In Col. 1:20, all does mean all, the entirety, the whole.

 Attach 1

This is the case with most scriptures where we find the G3956 - pas, or its declensions.

In the scripture below it does not mean all, but "as many as" IMO.

KJV - Mat 3:5  Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judaea, and all the region round about Jordan,

 Attach 2


Sometimes a qualifying term is used in conjunction with the word "pas 0r panta", as in Rom. 8:28 where all is used with "working together"

 Attach 3

At the consummation God will be "all in all":

KJV -  1Co_15:28  And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all (panta en pasin).


KJV -Eph_1:23  Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all (panta en pasin).

Therefore context is helpful in deriving the intent of a word.  Therefore I suggest that in most cases "all" (pas and its derivatives) really does mean "all",  mosquitoes not with standing.

I have no idea if my attachments will work, just learning.  :dontknow:
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Re: Will He reconcile all THINGS? or all PEOPLE?
« Reply #31 on: October 19, 2014, 06:29:55 PM »
 
  For Me its the evil that is done away with      ,  all forms of evil
    when study of evil its what brings   on all the suffering        and  Evil eats and consumes the good         http://www.studylight.org/lexicons/greek/gwview.cgi?n=4190  Psalms 14

 http://www.studylight.org/lexicons/greek/gwview.cgi?n=4102
 
 Our faith in what God does though the works   of CHRIST     can and does destroy   the works of evil   
 By allowing the grace of God to   work within you    to the saving   gift  by the SPIRIT OF TRUTH    is the Spirit of Prophecy   and Testimony of Jesus Christ   

   
 Psalms 114 this prophecy  /fortelling      to be revealed      within us by the Spirit of truth
 
 1Only fools say in their hearts,
"There is no God."
They are corrupt, and their actions are evil;
not one of them does good!
2The LORD looks down from heaven
on the entire human race;
he looks to see if anyone is truly wise,
if anyone seeks God.
3But no, all have turned away;
all have become corrupt.a
No one does good,
not a single one!
4Will those who do evil never learn?
They eat up my people like bread
and wouldn't think of praying to the LORD.
5Terror will grip them,
for God is with those who obey him.
6The wicked frustrate the plans of the oppressed,
but the LORD will protect his people.

7Who will come from Mount Zion to rescue Israel?
When the LORD restores his people,
Jacob will shout with joy, and Israel will rejoice.

 
  It is Gods consuming fire that will  eat up and consume the works of evil     and the Light of it will SHINE LIKE   BRILLIANT  dazzling, vivid, intense  GLORY !
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Re: Will He reconcile all THINGS? or all PEOPLE?
« Reply #32 on: October 19, 2014, 07:29:03 PM »
Greek word G3956 (pas or panta) is translated as "all" or "all things" in most English versions.  As the previous posts, especially by JB and Tom,  indicate "all things" is incorrect.

All is usually an appropriate translation IMO, but not always.  All does not always mean all, entire or whole. In most cases it does.  But sometimes it can mean :as many as", depending on the context. Yeh I know context, context, context.


Strong G3956
all, the whole
Strong's:
πᾶς
all, any, every, the whole
Derivation: including all the forms of declension; apparently a primary word;
KJV Usage: all (manner of, means), alway(-s), any (one), X daily, + ever, every (one, way), as many as, + no(-thing), X thoroughly, whatsoever, whole, whosoever.
Thayer:
1) individually
1a) each, every, any, all, the whole, everyone, all things, everything
2) collectively
2a) some of all types
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In the KJV "all things" is found in 152 verses, in the New Testament, and 80 times in Paul's writings.

In Col. 1:20, all does mean all, the entirety, the whole.

 Attach 1

This is the case with most scriptures where we find the G3956 - pas, or its declensions.

In the scripture below it does not mean all, but "as many as" IMO.

KJV - Mat 3:5  Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judaea, and all the region round about Jordan,

 Attach 2


Sometimes a qualifying term is used in conjunction with the word "pas 0r panta", as in Rom. 8:28 where all is used with "working together"

 Attach 3

At the consummation God will be "all in all":

KJV -  1Co_15:28  And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all (panta en pasin).


KJV -Eph_1:23  Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all (panta en pasin).

Therefore context is helpful in deriving the intent of a word.  Therefore I suggest that in most cases "all" (pas and its derivatives) really does mean "all",  mosquitoes not with standing.

I have no idea if my attachments will work, just learning.  :dontknow:

Your attachment works, and in case you didn't know you can show all three modules as a comparison. I see you have the CLV, but, assuming you have all three modules, you can click the + or - at the top right to add or subtract between one and three modules. You can also right click on the module initials to change how you want them stacked. The Interlinear Scripture Analyzer is a handy search tool. The only problem is the Old Testament section of the CLV needs to be updated. I was just told recently that the retired president of the Concordant Publishing Concern, Jim Coram, is going to speak to Andre, the author of the program, about getting that done. I proofread the New Testament section of the CLV for Andre quite a while ago, and he told me not to bother doing the Old Testament because he was going to replace it, but then he got involved with some money making stuff and never got around to it. Anyway, maybe now we'll see it sometime soon which would definitely help. Now what I usually do is search something in the Old Testament with the ISA and then compare the text with the CVOT PDF file here. http://concordant.org/online/index.html That's also a good place to check the text of the CLNT PDF file against the HTML CLNT here http://concordant.org/version/CLNT_Intro.htm because it's still got a few typos. I proofread that years ago too, but I've since found a few minor errors, mostly punctuation or spelling, using my text to speech version that haven't been corrected yet. I also prefer the Concordant Keyword Concordance to Strong's that I see you're using because it is for the King James Version. Anyway, I'm sure you're going to find that ISA helpful, and you've got the attachment thing down, bro.

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Re: Will He reconcile all THINGS? or all PEOPLE?
« Reply #33 on: October 19, 2014, 07:44:27 PM »
thanks Tom  :thumbsup:
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Re: Will He reconcile all THINGS? or all PEOPLE?
« Reply #34 on: October 19, 2014, 08:27:29 PM »
PS: I've been told that the CVOT PDF file is soon to be updated a bit also because they are finally about ready to go to print with the book, but right now it is already more accurate than the ISA Old Testament section of the CLV module. If you want to see something funny, search the word "cars" in the ISA, and then compare your results with the CVOT PDF file. That's just one of the bloopers that I remember. I used to have a list of the ones I found, but then I trashed it when I heard a new version was going to be added. When I first read that I thought it was kind of strange because I didn't know they had "cars" in Genesis.

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Re: Will He reconcile all THINGS? or all PEOPLE?
« Reply #35 on: October 20, 2014, 05:44:55 PM »
There can be several ways of looking at this whole thing:

(1) All things are reconciled, meaning that each and every individual person, gnat, fly, mosquito, etc will be resurrected and reconciled to Yah.  Yah certainly can make that work for us, but the quantity of insects produced by this scenario is a real problem for me to comprehend.  It would certainly be a different world, this new creation!

(2) All things are reconciled, meaning that every individual person will be resurrected and reconciled to Yah, but all the rest of creation will simply be restored to its original, perfect state.  All the gnats, flies, etc will not all be individually resurrected, yet new gnats, flies, trees, plants, etc will be a part of the perfectly balanced new creation.

(3) All humanity is reconciled, meaning that each and every individual person will be resurrected and reconciled to Yah, and the rest of the new creation will be pleasing to us, yet may not fully resemble in perfect state what we know here on the earth today.  There may not be all of everything we know here on earth present in the new creation.  Is there a law that says Yah must re-created everything just the way is was before, only perfect?
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Re: Will He reconcile all THINGS? or all PEOPLE?
« Reply #36 on: October 20, 2014, 08:01:35 PM »
Of the 3 choices, I pick #3.

Things is a word not found in the original text.
All humanity will be reconciled.

The new Heavens and new Earth do not need anything physical like our sun.
It will ALL be spirit. I do not believe in spiritual mosquitoes.   :laughing7:
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