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Re: Context, context, context
« Reply #25 on: December 08, 2014, 12:10:47 AM »
Ronen, curious as to how you see the 7 Noahide laws in relationship to this. Seems to me these principles guide even through the NT whenever any requirements regaarding Christian conduct are mentioned they never seem to go beyond these 7.
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Re: Context, context, context
« Reply #26 on: December 08, 2014, 01:28:02 AM »

    a hint   4 faces of the Cherub[remez] :winkgrin:

Certainly Rose :). Another great example of what I am talking about. I believe the vision Ezekiel saw is indeed the spiritual reality in the heavenlies, described in a way that people can understand and visualize, and yet also, there is more to the vision than simply telling us about Cherubs with 4 faces, but to be connected to the covenant made with all living creatures, represented by man, bird, domesticated animal, and wild animal:

`And I, lo, I am establishing My covenant with you, and with your seed after you, and with every living creature which is with you, among fowl, among cattle, and among every beast of the earth with you, from all who are going out of the ark--to every beast of the earth.
(Gen 9:9-10)


and then also with the vision John saw in Revelation:
And the first Animal resembled a lion; and the second Animal resembled a calf; and the third Animal had a face like a man; and the fourth Animal resembled an eagle when flying.
(Rev 4:7)
And when he took the book, the four Animals and the twenty and four Elders fell down before the Lamb, each of them having a harp, and cups of gold full of odors, which are the supplications of the saints. And they sung a new anthem, saying: Competent are you, to take the book, and to open the seals thereof; because you was slain, and have redeemed us to Alaha by your blood, out of every tribe, and tongue, and people, and nation;
(Rev 5:8-9)


Although not explicitly stated, many (myself included) also see this pictured and taught in how the 4 gospels were written.

Ronen

 So  very  Amazing !!     Thanks Ronen   ...  I found an amazing article   descriptive . about the 4 gospels and  the 4 faces representative  of Christ  , the cherubim  in   Matthew , Mark , Luke and John
  looking   into them   things , about  a year ago

 http://www.pbministries.org/books/pink/4_gospels/introduction.htm   
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Re: Context, context, context
« Reply #27 on: December 08, 2014, 04:01:37 AM »
appreciate your research and findings Rose.
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Re: Context, context, context
« Reply #28 on: December 08, 2014, 11:42:44 AM »
Ronen, curious as to how you see the 7 Noahide laws in relationship to this. Seems to me these principles guide even through the NT whenever any requirements regaarding Christian conduct are mentioned they never seem to go beyond these 7.
Do you mean in relation to finding deeper meanings in scripture beyond the context? It is said that 6 of the 7 laws are gleaned from Ber 2:16,17, which has God saying:

And the Lord God commanded the man saying 'From all the trees of the garden you may freely eat

And the Talmud explains how the 6 laws come from here as follows:

The word "commanded" (VaYetzav) is a reference to laws of justice for it says in Gen. 18:19, "For I have known him so he will COMMAND (Yitzaveh) his children after him to keep the way of the Lord and righteousness and justice."

"And the Lord" (HaShem) implies the prohibition of blasphemy. As it says in Lev. 24:16, "He who blasphemes the name of THE LORD (Hashem) shall die."

"God" (Elokim) is a reference to idolatry for it says in Ex. 20:3 "You shall have no other Elokim before me".

"The Man" (Ha Adam) is the prohibition of murder. God explicitly commands Noah (Gen. 9:6), "If one sheds the blood of THE MAN (Ha Adam), by man shall his own blood be shed."

"Saying" (Laymor) refers to sexual misconduct or adultery, as the prophet Jeremiah (3:1) says, "Saying (laymor), if a man divorces his wife..."

"From all the trees of the Garden" is an implicit prohibition of theft. It shows that permission is needed to take something that is not explicitly yours.

Likewise, "you may eat" implies that there are things which may not be eaten (the limbs of a live animal). This last law was given to Noah directly.

If this is what you are asking, I would also see these as examples of what we are discussing.

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Re: Context, context, context
« Reply #29 on: December 08, 2014, 01:39:51 PM »
appreciate your research and findings Rose.
I appreciate  , your studies Joe along  with WW's and Ronens  etc..  Well  everyone's  unique  ability to share   what the Good Lord has given them .

I do not say it often enough , but have been very blessed by this place , The Tentmakers  site  and forum
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Re: Context, context, context
« Reply #30 on: December 08, 2014, 06:45:51 PM »
Yea, tht's pretty much what I was asking. I see the 7 Noahide laws as an extension of what you were speaking of.....

(quote)Also, I think it speaks to the universal message given to all nations of the world, which also happen to stem from the original 70 found in Bereshiyt.(quote)


....  all the children of Noah who kept these laws were considered righteous and were believed to have a place in the world to come.

I've read about this in many places over the years but this page is pretty clear, for anyone else interested.

http://www.chabad.org/therebbe/article_cdo/aid/62221/jewish/Universal-Morality.htm

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Re: Context, context, context
« Reply #31 on: December 08, 2014, 08:13:11 PM »

 
  Thanks John , for this    site link     appreciated
 I did not know about this  , so many things  to learn   :friendstu:
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Re: Context, context, context
« Reply #32 on: December 09, 2014, 10:05:43 PM »


http://www.chabad.org/therebbe/article_cdo/aid/62221/jewish/Universal-Morality.htm

Certainly these guidelines if followed would do so much for society, culture and the world! :thumbsup: :banana:

It's a very interesting link. ..And the comments help to show that w/o Jesus fully within a person/all, and filling them up, it is an impossible dream.. ["This is the decree, You are my Son" Ps 2]
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Re: Context, context, context
« Reply #33 on: December 09, 2014, 10:21:53 PM »
These, IMO, are an expression the universal law written on the heart of Romans 1 & 2.

Ro 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because that which is known about God is evident [m]within them; for God made it evident to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

Ro 2:12 For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law; 13 for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified. 14 For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves, 15 in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them, 16 on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus.

26 So if the uncircumcised man keeps the requirements of the Law, will not his uncircumcision be regarded as circumcision? 27 And he who is physically uncircumcised, if he keeps the Law, will he not judge you who though having the letter of the Law and circumcision are a transgressor of the Law? 28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. 29 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.
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Re: Context, context, context
« Reply #34 on: December 10, 2014, 01:34:01 AM »
These, IMO, are an expression the universal law written on the heart of Romans 1 & 2.

Ro 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because that which is known about God is evident [m]within them; for God made it evident to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

Ro 2:12 For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law; 13 for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified. 14 For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves, 15 in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them, 16 on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus.

26 So if the uncircumcised man keeps the requirements of the Law, will not his uncircumcision be regarded as circumcision? 27 And he who is physically uncircumcised, if he keeps the Law, will he not judge you who though having the letter of the Law and circumcision are a transgressor of the Law? 28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. 29 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.

  :2thumbs:    the   fiery Law is the  Light & Judge inside   
 and outside        the world is condemned already   the darkness   IS that judgment     outer darkness  as it is written that they love the darkness     and not the Light  to be reproved  and cleaned and saved

  John 3 17"For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.


 18"He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.


 19"This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil.
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Re: Context, context, context
« Reply #35 on: December 30, 2014, 12:02:36 PM »
I think that taking Scripture out of context is hard to do if you are reading the Bible seriously. Most doctrinal errors arise from misinterpretations that the immediate context alone cannot correct.

Real context violations would result in stupid conclusions, like reading 1 Cor. 3:10-15 and concluding that we will be judged based on how we built literal houses during our lives  :laugh:

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Re: Context, context, context
« Reply #36 on: December 30, 2014, 07:36:29 PM »
Yea, ya really gotta work at it LOLOL.
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Re: Context, context, context
« Reply #37 on: December 30, 2014, 10:42:55 PM »
So I guess the "size 19 feet" helped him walk on the water, right?

Maybe, but look what you can do with normal-sized feet under the right conditions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2XQ97XHjVw

Was Jesus master of this sort of thing?  Natch. :declare:
Socrates taught Plato.  Plato taught Aristotle.  Aristotle tutored the son of Philip of Macedon.  This boy grew up to become Alexander the Great, largely by slaughtering a lot of people.  That's philosophy.

Jesus spoke the Truth.  He blessed the poor.  He healed the sick.  He even raised the dead.  He died on a cross for us, lived again, and came back long enough to tell us to love one another.  That's religion.

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Re: Context, context, context
« Reply #38 on: January 06, 2015, 11:46:39 PM »
 :cloud9: Here's my take on it....out of the mouth of two or three witnesses is every word established. Picture Christ on the mount. What He says is witnessed by both Moses (Torah/law) and Elijah (prophets). They all confirm each other if you search (sometimes long and hard), even if it's in the words (or a letter only) of the Word, only.

Everything He has said, He has witnessed a myriad of ways (including the natural creation which also bears Him witness), so we will be without excuse. My  :2c:  Blessings....
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