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Re: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT
« Reply #325 on: June 20, 2012, 04:28:36 AM »
A SNIPPET FROM A TREATISE ON ATONEMENT – HOSEA BALLOU

"We are told of a god who created millions of beings whom he intends for endless torments and puts His whole design into execution; and this is called supreme goodness.
In millions of cases this god finds it most for his glory to make his rational, hoping, wanting creatures endlessly miserable.

We are likewise told of a devil who acts for his own gratification, and who delights in making God's creatures miserable; and this is called badness.

Shall we thus represent our kind and merciful Father from Whom streams of goodness continually flow to His wanting, needing creatures? No; let every vibration of sense within us acknowledge His bountiful hand which will never close." 5
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« Reply #326 on: June 20, 2012, 02:26:28 PM »
A SNIPPET FROM SALVATOR MUNDI: OR, IS CHRIST THE SAVIOUR OF ALL MEN? – SAMUEL COX

"By insisting on an interpreted translation of a Greek word, would you have the vast majority of men damned to an everlasting torture in order that you may feel quite sure that your timid soul will sit and sing itself away in everlasting bliss?

The main object of this book is to encourage those who faintly trust "the larger hope" to commit themselves to it wholly and fearlessly by showing them that they have ample warrant for it in scriptures of the New Testament." 6
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Re: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT
« Reply #327 on: June 21, 2012, 03:07:05 PM »
A SNIPPET FROM GOD'S RULES FOR SCRIPTURAL INTERPRETATION AND MAN'S PLACE IN GOD'S PURPOSE – CHARLES J. PEART

"Sinners do not go away into everlasting punishment. They go into eonian correction. Thank God for the Concordant literal translation, which some in their blindness are condemning. When leaders in the church today condemn something I would be the first one to rush out and get it and examine it for myself. Do not make the mistake of thinking that the majority have the truth. It has never been that way and it is not now.

The unscriptural tradition assigning a limit beyond which Christ has no power to save the obstinate sinner has spread universally. It is worldwide. It claims that the will of man can successfully oppose the power and will of God. "God wills all mankind to be saved" (1Tim.2:4). Let us follow our Lord in His denunciation of tradition that makes void the word of God. Let us revel in the full extent of Christ's work and God's victory for all mankind." 7
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« Reply #328 on: June 22, 2012, 04:28:04 AM »
Men assign chains where God assigns liberation, men assign condemnation where God assigns reconciliation, men assign torment where God assigns correction, men assign destruction where God assigns restoration, men exalt man where God exalts transformation.
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I have been posting this on Christian forums
« Reply #329 on: June 27, 2012, 03:03:52 PM »
I have been posting this on Christian forums.
Maybe others would like to do that too.

FROM THE DOCUMENTS OF RODGER TUTT #71

Gary Amirault interviews Greek scholar Louis Abbott about his belief in universal salvation (in eight parts)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJoNxjUAAi8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuoRnAsugew
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAsVTXJYEHY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_sblmYiX4I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bfx6tcwq3M4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM5fSRDxVwg
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3213148682308877255#
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoWeKXdNhyg

AN ANALYTICAL STUDY OF WORDS - Louis Abbott
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/asw/index.html   
   
ABOUT THE AUTHOR - Louis Abbott
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/asw/AboutAuthor.html
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« Reply #330 on: June 29, 2012, 02:58:14 PM »
NEW SNIPPETS
#1. A snippet from Universalism the Prevailing Doctrine of the Christian
Church During its First Five Hundred Years, by J. W. Hanson, 1899:

(Origen Adamantius)
"This greatest of all Christian apologists and exegetes was a distinctive Universalist. He could not have misunderstood or misinterpreted the teachings of his Master. The language of the New Testament was his mother tongue. He
derived the teachings of Christ from Christ himself in a direct line through his teacher Clement; and he placed the defense of Christianity on Universalist grounds.

When Celsus, in his "True Discourse", the first great assault on Christianity, objected to Christianity on the ground that it taught punishment by fire, Origen replied that the threatened fire possessed a disciplinary, purifying quality that will consume in the sinner whatever evil material it can find to consume….God will act the part….Origen says, "not like a cook but like a God who is a benefactor of those who stand in need of discipline of fire.""
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« Reply #331 on: June 30, 2012, 02:52:27 PM »
#2. A snippet from Whatever Became of Melanie? (2005), pages 138-139, by
Allan Ernest Chevrier:

(Romans 5:18-21)
"Now what was the result of Adam's transgression? It was universal condemnation of all, without first consulting them or asking for their contribution. The result of Adam's disobedience was complete and universal in its scope and consequence, plunging each and every member of his race into sin and spiritual separation from God.

Now, just as Adam's sin had a direct, powerful, irresistible effect on the whole for evil, so the righteous act of Christ has a direct, powerful, irresistible effect on the whole for good. Just as one sin resulted in universal, real, actual condemnation, so the one act of righteousness performed by Christ, the second Adam, results in universal, real, actual justification, not just an opportunity to cast your lot in with Jesus, not just the offer of life, but the real, actual, powerful impartation of life! The real actual, powerful communication of righteousness! The plain language of the text allows for nothing less!"
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« Reply #332 on: July 01, 2012, 03:09:18 PM »
#3. A snippet from The Really Bad Thing About Free Will (2006), pages
66-67, by Martin Zender:

"God is now conciliated to all mankind (II Corinthians 5:19). This
blessing has come to us through the blood of Christ's cross
(Colossians 1:20). God no longer holds men's offenses against them (II
Corinthians 5:19). This same blood will reconcile all to Himself, both
that in the heavens and that on earth (Colossians 1:20).

The cross saves everyone, but not all at once (I Corinthians
15:22-23). Jesus Christ is a ransom for all, but the testimony of it
will not be seen until the eras designated to show it (I Timothy 2:6).
God will one day be all and in all (I Corinthians 15:28). How can He
be that if billions of the all remain dead or tortured?

Paul speaks of a time called the consummation, when death is to be
abolished (I Corinthians 15:26; II Timothy 1:10). If there will one
day be no more death, then the time is coming when even the second
death will cease to be. At this time, those formerly captured by it
will be delivered into the life won for them by Christ on the cross.
With no more death, nothing remains but life.

Some come to Christ sooner, some come later. But eventually, all come."
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Re: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT
« Reply #333 on: July 02, 2012, 02:45:24 PM »
#4 A snippet from The Inescapable Love of God, Pages 59, 60, by Thomas Talbott:

"Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to
condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came
upon all men unto justification of life (Romans 5:18).
For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy
upon all (Romans 11:32).
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive (I
Corinthians 15:22).

In each of these texts, we encounter a contrast between two universal
statements, and in each case the first "all" seems to determine the
scope of the second. Accordingly, when Paul asserts in Romans 5:18
that Christ's one act of righteousness leads to justification and life
for all, he evidently has in mind every descendant of Adam who stands
under the judgment of condemnation; when he insists in Romans 11:32
that God is merciful to all, he has in mind every human being whom God
has "shut up" to, or has "imprisoned" in, disobedience; and finally,
when he asserts in I Corinthians 15:22 that "all shall be made alive"
in Christ, he has in mind everyone who has died in Adam. The
grammatical evidence here seems utterly decisive; you can reject it
only if you are prepared to reject what is right before your eyes."
Does "All" mean "All"?
http://hopebeyondhell.org/   (FAQ 4)
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« Reply #334 on: July 03, 2012, 11:57:03 AM »
#5 - "Hippolytus (about A.D. 220) enumerates and comments on thirty-two
heresies, but universal restoration is not named among them. And yet, Clement of Alexandria, and Origen- then living- were everywhere regarded as the great teachers of the church, and their view of man's future destiny was generally prevalent, according to Augustine, Jerome and others. It could not then have been regarded as a "heresy" or Hippolytus would have named it.
 
What a force there is in fact that not one of those who wrote against the heresies of their times ever named universal salvation as one of them! Hippolytus mentions thirty-two.

Epiphanius wrote his Panarion and epitomizes it in his Anacephal'osis
or Recapitulation, but not one of the heresy-hunters includes our
faith in his maledictions. Could there be stronger evidence than this
fact that the doctrine was not then heretical?"
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Universalism the Prevailing Doctrine of the Christian Church During
its First Five Hundred Years, by J. W. Hanson, 1899
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« Reply #335 on: July 08, 2012, 11:15:53 AM »
#6 - http://www.truth.info/future/universalism.htm

The subjection of all to Christ

What does God mean when He states that Christ can subject all to Himself? Philippians 3:21 tells us that this will be in accord with the transfiguration of the body of our humiliation, to conform it to the body of His glory. This is further explained in 1 Corinthians 15:42-44: "Thus also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is roused in incorruption. It is sown in dishonor; it is roused in glory. It is sown in infirmity; it is roused in power. It is sown a soulish body; it is roused a spiritual body." Verse 28:
"Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also
shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All
in all."

So not only is Christ able to subject all to Himself; He WILL subject all to Himself. Once all are subjected to Christ, Christ will subject Himself to God, that God may be all in all. This is when Christ will be giving up the kingdom to His God and Father- verse 24. Verses 25-27 show the intimate relationship between the subjection of all to Christ, and the abolishment of death. In verse 22 we are informed that the "all" encompasses the entirety of mankind. This is in perfect harmony with Phil. 3:21.

To further elucidate the theme,
Paul gives us the revelation of Romans 5:18, 19. Being constituted just (immortality/ vivification) is contrasted with being constituted sinners (the body of our humiliation). Just as all mankind were condemned through Adam's act, all mankind are justified through Christ's sacrifice. This is an essential and unavoidable part of Christ's achievement, "…For this was the Son of God manifested, that He should be annulling the acts of the Adversary." 1 John 3:8.
 
Never doubt that Christ and God are able to overcome Adam and Satan. Death
will be abolished in practice; it already has been in principle. The realization of this achievement is accomplished in phases, for there are three classes in view in
1 Cor. 15:20-28.
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« Reply #336 on: July 09, 2012, 09:38:42 AM »
#7 A snippet from The Outcome of Infinite Grace
Death Swallowed Up in Victory
By Dr. Loyal Hurley:

""For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast" (Eph.2:8,9). Why do these verses follow immediately the statement, "that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us through Christ Jesus"?

And why do these verses begin with the word "for"? The word "for" shows a relationship between what precedes and what follows. In the ages to come, He will demonstrate His grace, for He has already shown it to us, His church, whom He will use as the demonstration.

No member of the church deserves to be saved by grace. Not one thing can we claim that has any merit in it. Some will say that at least our faith is our own. "For by grace are ye saved through faith"--and surely the faith is ours. But Paul will not have it so, for he adds, "and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God." Yes, God gives to us our faith, "according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith" (Rom.12:3). And He gives it to us through "Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith" (Heb.12:2). Not only does He give us grace: He gives us the faith to receive it. Otherwise we would still be in stubbornness or unbelief. "For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that He might have mercy upon all" (Rom.11:32).

So God chooses a few undeserving sinners in this age through whom He will demonstrate His grace to other undeserving sinners, "in the ages to come." And the demonstration will be convincing, too. It will accomplish what God intends that it shall accomplish: "That in the dispensation of the fullness of times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in Him" (Eph.1:10)."
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« Reply #337 on: July 10, 2012, 06:35:56 AM »
Awesome!
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« Reply #338 on: July 10, 2012, 11:34:21 AM »
#8 - THE NATURE, THE CHARACTER OF CHRISTIAN PRAYER - JOHN WESLEY HANSON

Every human being is under perpetual obligation to pray to God as the Father of all souls, to bring in His kingdom, fulfill His will and deliver from evil, and save from sin the whole human family; and that we are commanded to pray for this,—universal salvation—is evident from the language of the Apostle Paul in I Timothy 2:1-4: "I exhort, therefore, that first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions and giving of thanks, be made for all men; for kings and all that are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty; for this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior; who will have all men to be saved and to come unto the knowledge of the truth."

Thus God desires all men to be saved, and you and I and all men are commanded therefore, to pray that all men may be saved. God does this. This prayer proceeds from the divine heart all the time. "Prayer is the soul's sincere desire uttered or unexpressed." All men must, when they follow the instincts of their nature, pray for the salvation of all men...

But the second feature in prayer is, that men, "whatsoever they ask for of God, shall pray in faith, nothing doubting. I Timothy 2: 8:—"I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting." It is wicked to pray for anything to God, unless we pray in faith, unless in our heart of hearts we believe our hopes will be answered. A faithless prayer is an abomination in the sight of God; hence the apostle says in Romans 14:23:—"Whatsoever is not of faith is sin."

Now, then, a Christian must pray for universal salvation; if he does not, he does not offer Christian prayer; and if a man thus prays, but believes that his prayer will not be answered, then he cannot offer Christian prayer. Genuine Christian prayer comprehends the final salvation of all men, and as it is necessary to give it in full faith, nothing doubting, it demonstrates the final salvation of all, for certainly God would not command his children to pray for a thing and pray without doubting, unless in the divine plan that were to be the result. Hence Paul appeals to this ground of faith in I Timothy 2:5-6: "For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time."
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« Reply #339 on: July 11, 2012, 09:08:20 AM »
#9 - In John 12:32, in signifying by what death He was about to be dying (v.33), Jesus said, 'And I, if I should be exalted out of the earth, shall be drawing all to Myself.'
It is not that "draw" means "drag;" it is rather that an agency which draws, is equally as effective as an agency which drags. When a man is dragged, he is moved contrary to his will; when a man is drawn, he is moved in correspondence to his will, according to the influences which cause him to choose as he does. Agencies which drag, determine the body; agencies which draw, determine the heart, from which spring the outflowings of life (Prov.4:23).

When one is "drawn in" to doing something, he is still caused to act as he does; he must still do what he, even if gently, is "drawn" to do--as much so as if he were "dragged" ("kicking and screaming") into so doing. It is simply that an agency which "draws," engages the will and instills the voluntary behavior which follows, in contradistinction to a power that merely compels outward acts--"dragging" them forth--without gaining the acquiescence of the will. Thus we rejoice to know that while no one can come to Christ if ever the Father Who sends Him should not be drawing him (John 6:44), in due time, under God, Christ "shall be drawing all to Himself" (John 12:32). - James Coram  http://www.concordant.org/expohtml/QuestionsAndAnswers/Q&AIndex5.html#115a

It would be good to answer this question:
When will Christ draw to Himself the multiplied millions who die without having once heard about the one true God? (This would include hundreds of millions of small children.) - Kenneth Larsen
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« Reply #340 on: July 12, 2012, 04:39:22 PM »
#10 - Does God "offer" salvation to all, and it's up to each one to either
accept it or reject it?

First, of ourselves, none of us would accept it. So, we should receive the clear Bible teaching that the motivation to actually exercise effectual saving faith is a gift. Ro. 3:10-18; Eph. 2:6-10; Phil. 1:29.

Second, we know from Ro. 9 and other verses such as Eph. 1:4; 2 Thes. 2:13 and 3:2, that God does not choose to save all in this life.

Third, we know God wills all to be saved. Titus 2:11; 1 Tim. 2:4-6.

Fourth, we know that all things are possible with God. Matt. 19:25, 26; Jeremiah 32:17.

Fifth, we know that Christ enlightens all, and draws all to Himself. John 1:9; 12:32.

Sixth, we know God will reconcile all to Himself. 1 Cor. 15:20-28; Col. 1:15-20; Phil. 2:9-11; Ro. 5:18, 19.

Therefore, seventh, we know that God grants salvation (faith, repentance, and reconciliation) to all, for He is the Savior of all mankind. Acts 5:31; 11:18; 2 Tim. 2:25; 1 Tim. 4:9-11.
- Kenneth Larsen.
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« Reply #341 on: July 13, 2012, 04:18:35 AM »
For freedom Christ has set us free. We are predestined according to the foreknowledge of God. I personally believe it is Christ & Him Crucified that is drawing all men unto Him.  Christ & Him Crucified is the superlative moment of all the ages, the seed from which all creation burst forth, the Logos through which God has made Himself known to all creation. The absolute DAWN. For this reason Paul said, I am determined to know NOTHING ELSE AMONG YOU, but Christ and Him crucified.

If I Be Lifted Up I Will Draw All Men Unto Me.

When one recognizes the sublime perfection of this sacrifice. The absolute essence of I AM THAT I AM revealed in this act towards His beloved creation, there is no longer any need to over-define the method or the cause of our salvation. Sheer grace. Infinite forgiveness. All-consuming love. Whether one believes they were dragged or whether one believes they were WON by a revelation of divine love hardly matters. In the end, Love Wins.

In the beginning the earth was without form and void and darkness covered the face of the deep (the state of the sons of disobedience, free to shake their fists at God)

The Spirit hovered over the waters (the Holy Spirit is in the world to convict men of sin and righteousness and to teach all truth among those who believe- the testimony of Jesus Christ is the Spirit of Prophecy- Christ & Him Crucified)

The GOD SAID let their be light! And the Day was divided from the Night.( For God, who said, "Light shall shine out of darkness," is the One who has shone in our hearts to give the Light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ.) New creation....Behold I make all things new.
(2Co 4:6)

The light that separates is CHRIST & HIM CRUCIFIED- the purest essence of all that God has done. When this light breaks through it CONVERTS THE SOUL and RENEWS THE SPIRIT.

Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your salvation with fear and trembling; for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.
(Php 2:5-13)


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« Reply #342 on: July 13, 2012, 01:44:17 PM »
Thanks for sharing that eaglesway.

#11 - "Not you choose Me, but I choose you…" John 15:16

 "Too often is salvation made a matter of the sinner's choice. This sadly mars the full and clear apprehension of God's love which it is intended to reveal. All active effort in redemption is the outflow of divine love, and is entirely on God's side. All the sinner's activity is a hindrance, He would choose anyone but God. His part is a passive or a negative one.

This basic truth is much more forcibly revealed later on in connection with the call of the nations. We were chosen by God in Christ before the disruption. Sin itself was subsequent to His choice of us. Hence, sin, either past or present, cannot affect God's purpose for us, or our acceptance of His grace.
He chooses, He calls, He glorifies. He does not give man his choice or a chance. He has the wisdom and the power to impel men to fall into line with His purpose no matter what their natural inclination may be.
 
All human experience confirms the divine declaration that He it is Who is operating in us to will as well as to work for the sake of His delight (Phil. 2:13).
Man can carry out his own will only so far as it accords with the purpose of God. When men rage against God, He uses their wrath as far as it is useful to His plans. The remainder of their wrath He restrains."
-Snippet from the Concordant Commentary
(http://concordant.org/expohtml/ConcordantCommentary/CC04_John.htm)
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« Reply #343 on: July 14, 2012, 02:21:16 PM »
#12 - TENTMAKER MINISTRY WEBSITE ARCHIVES
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#12 - TENTMAKER MINISTRY WEBSITE ARCHIVES
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Re: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT
« Reply #345 on: July 15, 2012, 08:36:18 PM »
Thanks for sharing that eaglesway.

#11 - "Not you choose Me, but I choose you…" John 15:16

 "Too often is salvation made a matter of the sinner's choice. This sadly mars the full and clear apprehension of God's love which it is intended to reveal. All active effort in redemption is the outflow of divine love, and is entirely on God's side. All the sinner's activity is a hindrance, He would choose anyone but God. His part is a passive or a negative one.

This basic truth is much more forcibly revealed later on in connection with the call of the nations. We were chosen by God in Christ before the disruption. Sin itself was subsequent to His choice of us. Hence, sin, either past or present, cannot affect God's purpose for us, or our acceptance of His grace.
He chooses, He calls, He glorifies. He does not give man his choice or a chance. He has the wisdom and the power to impel men to fall into line with His purpose no matter what their natural inclination may be.
 
All human experience confirms the divine declaration that He it is Who is operating in us to will as well as to work for the sake of His delight (Phil. 2:13).
Man can carry out his own will only so far as it accords with the purpose of God. When men rage against God, He uses their wrath as far as it is useful to His plans. The remainder of their wrath He restrains."
-Snippet from the Concordant Commentary
(http://concordant.org/expohtml/ConcordantCommentary/CC04_John.htm)

In my opinion :o) these statements reveal only one side of the coin and are not the full truth- also including some theoretical theology(the disruption theory) that is perhaps true but certainly not something clearly demonstratable through the scriptures. I do not propose free will as an absolute foundation, and I try to couch my words in maybes and sortas an 2 cents etc ad infinitum- but I do definitely believe there is an important part of the whole counsel of God that flows around His creating man in His own image- a free morally independent creative being. In His plan He has set eternity in our hearts, and only in His love will we find that eternity- leading all inexoriably to Christ Crucified. This is of course my perspective. I find on this site tho, that those who propose that God has not in fact given man a free will on any signifigant level, teach it as a matter of fact, and as if it is a prerequisite to understanding the salvation of all. This I do, lovingly but emphatically disagree with. It is not at all necessary to believe that God has chosen for us His love- or to believe, alternatively, that His love will eventually convince us all to make that choice and "win us". It will never be as clear as that on this side of the veil. All we need to know is that His grace has made ample provision for the salvation of all and that all will eventually recieve it.

Glory to God for that.
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Re: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT
« Reply #346 on: July 15, 2012, 09:05:05 PM »
Thank you eaglesway for expressing your point of view.

On a different subject ---

#13 - DESTRUCTION IS NOT ETERNAL

Jesus knew that John 3:16 was not the end of the story…that's why He continued to John 3:17 and talked about the salvation of all mankind!!!
3. Jesus makes no attempt to use verse 16 to negate or qualify verse 17. He simply makes both statements side by side as if both are completely true. The reason He does this is that both ARE completely true.

We see this over and over in Scripture, especially in the writings of Paul – a statement about people who have faith now (maybe a warning or exhortation or encouragement about the benefits of taking part in the kingdom of God a.k.a. the next two ages of life on earth) right next to a statement about how Christ accomplished the justification of all men. See Romans 3:23-24 and 5:18 and their contexts for example. This is no big deal; none of these statements negate, qualify (change), or contradict each other, because both concepts are 100% true. Some will be saved from death early and take part in the kingdom of God, and everyone else will be saved from death later.

To attempt to use some statements (about those who get saved early) to negate the others statements (about the eventual salvation of all) is to butcher the common sense rules of language and communication. We would never do this to each other in everyday communication; the only reason people try to do it to Jesus and Paul is because they cannot bring themselves to believe the plain statements about the eventual salvation of all mankind.

If I said to my kids, "Those of you who help me clean the yard today will get to go to a movie with me tomorrow, and next week I will take the rest of you to a movie," I have made it very clear that all the kids will eventually go to the movies. My two statements do not contradict each other or negate each other in any way. This is the exact same thing Jesus does in John 3:16 and 17 – He makes two equally true statements. Yet "hell mindset" Christians try to make one statement negate the other in order to fit their preconceived ideas.
http://www.bible-questions-and-answers.com/Erasing-Hell-book.html


"God will have all mankind to be saved" 1Timothy 2:4

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Re: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT
« Reply #347 on: July 16, 2012, 03:22:20 PM »
#14 - IS GOD STRONG ENOUGH? – Kenneth Larson

"For which of you, wanting to build a tower, is not first seated to calculate the expense, to see if he has the wherewithal?- lest at some time, he laying a foundation and not being strong enough to finish up, all those beholding should begin to scoff at him, saying that 'This man begins building and is not strong enough to finish up!'" Lk. 14:28-30.
 
God's perfect foundation is Christ Jesus. 1 Cor. 3:11; Is. 28:16; Lk. 20:17; Heb. 5:7-9. What God is building on His foundation is a perfect, reconciled creation. Ro. 8:20, 21; Col. 1:15-20; 1 Cor. 15:20-28; Phil. 2:5-11.

God is strong enough to reconcile all, for He controls all hearts. Is. 26:12; 2 Chronicles 30:12; Rev. 17:17. God has a purpose- a will for creation. Eph. 1:9-11; 3:11. God "wills that all mankind be saved and come into a realization of the truth." 1 Tim. 2:4. And "All that Yahweh delights He does, in the heavens and on earth, in the seas and every abyss" Ps. 135:6; see Is. 46:10 and John 1:29.

Christ will draw all to Himself. Jn. 12:32. Our stubbornness and unbelief are no match for Almighty God. Romans 11:32. "Not stronger than He are we!" 1 Cor. 10:22. God is a perfect Savior, and He is more than strong enough to save all. 1 Tim. 4:9-11; Is. 53; Matt. 19:25, 26.
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Re: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT
« Reply #348 on: July 19, 2012, 02:17:54 PM »
#15 - Questions

In order to have a consistent, logical Biblical worldview, some questions about the Final Destiny of people must be answered. The Bible, to be credible, must be able to be logically explained. This is self-evident. As centuries have passed, ideas that were Orthodox, but unbiblical, have fallen away. Sometimes en masse, as during the Reformation. Sometimes more slowly, as with the gradual abolition of slavery, which was led and championed primarily by Christians.

Here are a few questions about the common Orthodoxy of Eternal Damnation.
 
• If some people will end up in eternal torment, is God unable or unwilling to save them?  Logically, it must be one or the other. No tricky appeal to free-will can alleviate the tension of the question.

• If we determine our destiny by our free will, then is not our will stronger than God's will? How do we deal with passages as in Romans 9 that says we cannot resist His will?

• If some people will be tortured eternally, which is apparently the will of Satan, how is Satan a defeated foe? Doesn't eternal torment make Satan a partial victor?

• How can there be "no more tears" if some people will be tormented forever?

• How can we say that "His mercy endures forever!" if His mercy for us, in the most practical and real terms, ends if we do not choose to follow Christ before we die?

• Given the Bible's revealed standards of righteous and justice (which are clear and not myterious at all), how is unending punishment just reward for temporary sin? Again, the Bible is clear on standards so saying "God's ways are not our ways" or "It's a mystery with God" is only an avoidance of a hard question. The question must be Biblically answered with justification from Scripture.

• If God "gives up" on those who do not choose Jesus before death, how does the parable of the 100 Sheep, with 99 found and the master leaving the 99 to find the one lost one, make any sense?

• Why does God give up on people after death?

• If eternal Hell is the price for disobeying God and living in Sin, why did God hide that from Adam and Eve and promise a different penalty? Why did God hide the most horrific fate possible, torture in Hell forever, from mankind for entire Old Testament period (probably 4,000 years)?
 
• How does the idea of Col 1:15-20 "restore All Things" (Ta Panta - The universal All in Greek) make any sense if some things are permanently and irrevocably isolated from and unrestored to God forever?

• Why must an omnipotent, omniscient God, who describes Himself as "Love", settle for not having everything that has ever been made love and worship Him? Why must He settle for a divided creation in which some live in abundant joy and others live in mind-numbing torture? Is God really that weak or does He want that kind of reality?

• Why do we think that our "will" is so absolutely free, when it is affected by every little thing around us and we rarely respond from thought alone, but often from instinct built in us from birth?
 
• How can God be "All in All" as Revelation states He will be in the end if All is not in complete harmony with Him and His character of love, joy, peace, etc.?

• Why did God create a place of unending torture in the first place?

• How is God glorified in unending pain that does not lead to being restored to righteousness and a loving relationship to Christ?

These, and many more questions, must be answered scripturally and logically if the idea of an Eternal Torture is to be even considered as a Biblical possibility.
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Re: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT
« Reply #349 on: July 20, 2012, 02:40:39 PM »
#16 - Hannah Whitall Smith
 
"…I seemed to catch a fresh and clearer revelation of the depth of the misery that had been caused to human beings by sin. It was more than I could bear. I clenched my hands and cried out in my soul, "O, God, how canst Thou bear it? Thou mightest have prevented it, but didst not. Thou mightest even now change it, but Thou dost not. I do not see how Thou canst go on living, and endure it." I upbraided God. And I felt I was justified in doing so.

Then suddenly God seemed to answer me. An inward voice said, in tones of infinite love and tenderness, "He shall see of the travail of His soul and be satisfied." "Satisfied!" I cried in my heart, "Christ is to be satisfied! He will be able to look at the world's misery, and then at the travail through which He has passed because of it, and will be satisfied with the result; If I were Christ, nothing could satisfy me but that every human being should in the end be saved, and therefore I am sure that nothing less will satisfy Him."
 
And with this a veil seemed to be withdrawn from before the plans of the universe, and I saw that it was true, as the Bible says, that "as in Adam all die-even so in Christ should all be made alive." As was the first, even so was the second. The "all" in one case could not in fairness mean less than the "all" in the other. I saw therefore that the remedy must necessarily be equal to the disease, the salvation must be as universal as the fall.

I saw all this that day on the tram-car on Market street, Philadelphia -- not only thought it, or hoped it, or even believed it--but knew it. It was a Divine fact. And from that moment I have never had one questioning thought as to the final destiny of the human race.
 
God is the Creator of every human being, therefore He is the Father of each one, and they are all His children; and Christ died for every one, and is declared to be "the propitiation not for our sins only, but also for the sins of the whole world" (1 John 2:2). However great the ignorance therefore, or however grievous the sin, the promise of salvation is positive and without limitations.

If it is true that "by the offense of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation," it is equally true that "by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life." To limit the last "all men" is also to limit the first. The salvation is absolutely equal to the fall.
 
There is to be a final "restitution of all things," when "at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow, of things in heaven, and things on earth, and things under the earth, and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father." Every knee, every tongue- words could not be more embracing. The how and the when I could not see; but the one essential fact was all I needed- somewhere and somehow God was going to make every thing right for all the creatures He had created.

My heart was at rest about it forever.

I hurried home to get hold of my Bible, to see if the magnificent fact I had discovered could possibly have been all this time in the Bible, and I had not have seen it; and the moment I entered the house, I did not wait to take off my bonnet, but rushed at once to the table where I always kept my Bible and Concordance ready for use, and began my search. Immediately the whole Book seemed to be illuminated. On every page the truth concerning the "times of restitution of all things" of which the Apostle Peter says "God Hath spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began," shone forth, and no room was left for questioning. I turned greedily from page to page of my Bible, fairly laughing aloud for joy at the blaze of light that illuminated it all. It became a new book. Another skin seemed to have been peeled off every text, and my Bible fairly shone with a new meaning. I do not say with a different meaning, for in no sense did the new meaning contradict the old, but a deeper meaning, the true meaning, hidden behind the outward form of words. The words did not need to be changed, they only needed to be understood; and now at last I began to understand them."

A snippet from The Unselfishness of God and How I Discovered It
By Hannah Whitall Smith
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/unselfishness-of-god.htm
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