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Re: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT
« Reply #300 on: June 09, 2012, 06:06:54 PM »
Well Rodger if you were a young hansom lady I would say: Who can resist your light!

But I won't because then people start to talk funny about me :-)

Anyway glad I found one for you.
If you have your site list on file could you please post it here.
Perhaps (likely) there is a UR site on it that I don't know about.
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT
« Reply #301 on: June 09, 2012, 07:16:51 PM »
Well Rodger if you were a young hansom lady I would say: Who can resist your light!

But I won't because then people start to talk funny about me :-)

Anyway glad I found one for you.
If you have your site list on file could you please post it here.
Perhaps (likely) there is a UR site on it that I don't know about.

I don't have a site list of where I am posting my snippets, but I do have this list that I have accumulated.

WEBSITES (SOME OF THEM WITH MANY LINKS) THAT SHOW THAT THE BIBLE CORRECTLY (LITERALLY, NOT INTERPRETIVELY) TRANSLATED TEACHES UNIVERSAL SALVATION, NOT ETERNAL TORMENT, OR EVEN ANNIHILATION

http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/ 
http://web.archive.org/web/20110713224225/http://gtft.org/
(If the above link won't open for you, click on the word "impatient")
http://www.saviourofall.org   
http://www.concordant.org/ 
http://www.tentmaker.org/ 
http://www.sigler.org/
http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/culinks.html
http://www.godfire.net/paris/hellnotforever.html
http://hellbusters.8m.com/mbpindex.htm
http://www.what-the-hell-is-hell.com/   
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Bible-Proofs-modern.html   
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/OriginandHistory.html 
http://people.zeelandnet.nl/wjanse/welcome.htm   
http://www.savior-of-all.com/   
http://bible-truths.com 
http://hellbusters.8m.com/mbpperpetuates.htm   
http://www.tentmaker.org/FAQ/24.html 
http://www.ocis.net/~rmckay/   
http://www.willamette.edu/~ttalbott/theol.html   
http://godfire.net/index.html   
http://users.aristotle.net/~bhuie/death.htm   
http://www.sigler.org/slagle/   
http://www.concordant.org/expohtml/index.html 
http://www.ais-gwd.com/~cdevans/   
http://www.godslastcall.org/rev21-22.html   
http://www.thenewcreation.com/   
http://godfire.net/eby   
http://hellbusters.8m.com/eby.htm   
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/ScripturalProofs.html   
http://www.sigler.org/kingdom/links.htm   
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Prevailing.html   
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/FreeMoralAgent-Eby.html   
http://godskingdomministries.org/free_will.htm   
http://www.sigler.org/slagle/The%20Gobbledygook%20Gospel.htm   
http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/Lazarus-byHuie.htm   
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Lazarus.html   
http://bible-truths.com/part8.htm 
http://www.godfire.net/elwin.html   
http://www.godfire.net/reasons.html
http://www.godfire.net/FreeWill.html   
http://www.godfire.net/eby.html   
http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/answers.html   
http://www.gospelogic.com/   
http://www.promiseed.com   
http://sigler.org/kingdom/   
http://www.sigler.org/keith/   
http://www.godfire.net/paris/   
http://greater-emmanuel.org/jg/jgindex.html   
http://www.lighthouselibrary.com/ 
http://www.geocities.com/michaelgerardburke/index.html   
http://www.purposeoflife.org.uk/   
http://www.pilkingtonandsons.com/hellfactor/indexhf.htm   
http://greater-emmanuel.org   
http://www.hlom.org/fellowship.html   
http://greater-emmanuel.org/Call_Of_The_Kingdom/   
http://www.interiorcoveringsministry.org/   
http://www.ais-gwd.com/~cdevans/recon-7.htm   
http://tgulcm.tripod.com/   
http://www.goodnewsinc.net/   
http://www.twsj.ws/news.php 
http://www.greenwood.net/~cdevans   
http://greater-emmanuel.org/insights.html   
http://www.geocities.com/tws490/   
http://www.ais-gwd.com/~cdevans/   
http://www.hopebeyondhell.net/ 
http://hell-fact-or-fable.com   
http://www.hearingthetruthofgod.com/ 
http://www.haroldlovelace.com/   
http://p199.ezboard.com/bjesusthelightoftheworld 
http://www.greenwood.net:80/~cdevans/SR.htm   
http://www.biblicaluniversalist.bravehost.com/ 
http://www.christian-universalism.com/links.html   
http://www.christianuniversalist.org 
http://www.presence.tv/cms/index.php
http://www.angelfire.com/dc/universalism/form.html
http://www.hearingthetruthofgod.com/id2.html 
http://www.sigler.org/eby/savior_of_the_word_series.htm 
http://www.haroldlovelace.com/
http://richardwaynegarganta.com/ 
http://www.notjustnotes.ws/index.htm 
http://www.lighthouselibrary.com/ 
http://www.gods-kingdom-ministries.org/ 
http://greater-emmanuel.org/jg/jgindex.html 
http://www.willamette.edu/~ttalbott/ 
http://www.sigler.org/sirius8/rpnavbar.html 
http://www.godfire.net/rayknight/ 
http://martinzender.com/zenderature.htm 
http://thegloryrd.com 
http://www.urincluded2.com/ 
http://www.christaslife.org/ 
http://www.hearingthetruthofgod.com/id2.html
http://www.scaredofhell.com/   
http://greater-emmanuel.org/links.html   
http://www.kingdomstudy.com/OtherKingdomLinks.html 
http://www.angelfire.com/dc/universalism/form.html
http://frimmin.com/faith/godislove.php
http://www.tentmaker.org/Quotes/uniquotes.htm
http://boldgrace.com/ 
http://biblicaluniversalist.bravehost.com/ 
http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/univart.html 
http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/christa.html   (scroll down to CHRISTIAN UNIVERSALISM section) 
http://harvestherald.com/thirtyquestions.htm 
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/asw/index.html 
http://www.forgivenforever.org/ 
http://www.godoftheages.com/
http://not1lost.blogspot.com/2008/09/ages-lasting-correction.html   
http://richardwaynegarganta.com/
http://richardwaynegarganta.com/universalsalvation.htm 
http://www.restoreallthings.org/downloads/FinalUnivBibliography72804.pdf
http://www.tlchrist.info/universl.htm 
http://www.bible-truths.com/
http://www.newbeginningministries.com/ 
http://greater-emmanuel.org/ 
http://frimmin.com/faith/godislove.php
http://www.martinzender.com:80/
http://knowingtodaysgod.com/ 
http://godfire.net/kennedy/
http://www.completerestorationinchrist.org/reasons-not.html   
http://www.completerestorationinchrist.org/index.html 
http://thegloryrd.com:80/ 
http://allmadealive.com/quotes.php
www.GraceEvangel.org 
http://www.completerestorationinchrist.org/index.html 
http://wisefire.tv/ 
http://www.thebeautifulheresy.com/2005/08/universalism-what-is-it-what-isnt-it.html 
http://www.martinzender.com/zenderature.htm 
http://www.angelfire.com/dc/universalism/form.html 
http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/links.html 
http://newlifeinternational.faithweb.com/OtherKingdomLinks.html 
http://scaredofhell.com/ 
http://greater-emmanuel.org/links.html 
http://www.hetbestenieuws.nl/links.htm 
http://home.earthlink.net:80/~btodd2/freewillnote.html 
http://home.earthlink.net/~btodd1/punishment.html
http://crossfaithministry.org/universalism.html 
http://www.mercifultruth.com/eternity.htm 
http://sigler.org/mckay/sovereignty.html 
http://www.gtft.org/Library/miscellaneous/evil.htm 
http://www.thomastalbott.com/ 
http://jesusreligion.com/ 
http://www.archive.org/details/universalrestitu00ston 
http://www.thetencommandmentsministry.us/ministry/free_bible/whence...
http://harmony-church.net/Correct.htm 
http://www.purposeoflife.org.uk/other%20docs.htm 
http://hopebeyondhell.net/ 
http://www.christianuniversalist.org/ 
http://haroldlovelace.com/ 
http://www.crossandthrone.com/ 
http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/articles2.html 
http://www.mercifultruth.com/ 
http://greater-emmanuel.org/Call_Of_The_Kingdom/ 
http://greater-emmanuel.org/ 
http://www.pilkingtonandsons.com/bsn.htm 
http://gods-kingdom-ministries.org/default.cfm 
http://www.kingdombiblestudies.org/links.htm 
http://www.restoreallthings.org/downloads/FinalUnivBibliography72804.pdf   
http://www.heavenandhellpage.com/ 
http://greater-emmanuel.org/kg/kg.html
http://www.savioroftheworld.net/   
http://www.destinedforsalvation.org/ 
http://www.universalist-herald.net/1BkRev.html 
http://www.universalistfriends.org/quf2009.html
http://godfire.net/links.html 
http://greater-emmanuel.org/jm/restoration.htm 
http://www.studentoftheword.com/StudiesoftheWord.html
http://www.godfire.net/index.html
http://www.einet.net/directory/974143/Universalism.htm
http://gods-kingdom-ministries.org/book_list.cfm   
http://absolute-reconciliation.org/ 
http://completerestorationinchrist.org/ 
http://www.gospelrevolution.com/ 
http://thegloryrd.com/
http://perfectgrace.org/ 
http://www.purposeoflife.org.uk/other%20docs.htm
http://euniversalism.forum5.com/index.php   
http://www.biblicaluniversalism.com/posting1.htm 
http://www.junkmaster.com/Ministry/cupage1.htm 
http://antinomianuniversalism.com/index.php
http://www.biblicaluniversalist.bravehost.com/ 
http://ukapologetics.net/1inclusivism.htm 
http://www.christianheretic.com/hell
http://dir.crossmap.com/Science_and_Social_Science/Theology/Universalism   
http://www.christianspiritualism.org/articles/everlastingaionios.htm 
http://www.graceevangel.org/ 
http://godquest.org/links.htm 
http://www.godsplanforall.com/ 
http://godfire.net/paris/
http://www.thomastalbott.com/
http://www.archive.org/details/universalrestitu00ston   
http://thetencommandmentsministry.us/ministry/free_bible/whence_eternity
http://www.thebeautifulheresy.com/
http://www.studentoftheword.com/index.html   
http://www.godfire.net/links.html 
http://www.restoreallthings.org/downloads/FinalUnivBibliography72804.pdf 
http://www.christianuniversalism.info/ 
http://www.godsplanforall.com/calvinismarminianismanduniversalism 
http://www.restoreallthings.org/downloads/FinalUnivBibliography72804.pdf 
http://www.restoreallthings.org/ 
http://www.restoreallthings.org/downloads/BibleThreatsExplnd2.htm 
http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/culinks.html 
http://www.askelm.com/doctrine/d020806.htm
https://www.robbell.com/lovewins/   
http://fireandrose.blogspot.com/2006/08/why-i-am-universalist-dogmatic-sketch.html 
http://perfectgrace.org/ 
http://www.godsplanforall.com/ 
http://www.mercifultruth.com/ 
http://greater-emmanuel.org/kg/kg.html
http://www.christian-universalism.com/   
http://healingspiritualterrorism.com/
http://www.pilkingtonandsons.com/hell.htm
http://www.urqa.com/ 
http://www.pilkingtonandsons.com/hellfactor/indexhf.htm 
http://www.thebeautifulheresy.com/   
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33973
http://www.gods-kingdom-ministries.org/books/creations/index.cfm   
http://www.thebeautifulheresy.com/2005/08/universalism-what-is-it-what-isnt-it.html
http://www.godsplanforall.com/ 
http://sigler.org/mckay/etpunish.htm 
http://www.overcomers.ca/     
 
http://www.biblicaluniversalism.org/
http://www.urqa.com/
http://www.dialoguewith.us/
http://bible-truths.com/part6.htm
http://www.lighthouselibrary.com/read.php?sel=2586&searchfor=||KNOCH,
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/christian-universalism/
http://www.truth.info/future/universalism.htm
http://www.marcspeed.org/hellisamistranslation.cfm
http://endlesshellended.com/
http://www.urqa.com/
http://www.tlchrist.info/universl.htm
http://lovewins.us/
http://evangelicaluniversalism.org/
http://biblicaluniversalism.org/
http://www.gods-kingdom-ministries.org/
http://sigler.org/slagle/
http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/topics.htm   
http://www.tsdowntown.com/
http://www.christianuniversalism.com
http://home.earthlink.net/~rubyybur/ETERNAL_HELL_NO.htm
http://www.godshew.org/index.htm
http://www.thebeautifulheresy.com/
http://www.bible-questions-and-answers.com/erasing-hell.html
http://www.truth.info/future/universalism.htm
http://home.online.nl/spamfree/Websites.htm
http://home.earthlink.net/~rubyybur/FOR%20EVER%20in%2065%20verses%20NT%204columns.pdf

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Re: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT
« Reply #302 on: June 09, 2012, 10:24:51 PM »
Rodger,

I found a forum you are not posting on (I think).

http://www.praize.com/forums/

I just signed up and started my snippets thread.
Thanks for the heads up.
I guess I'll find out soon enough how UR friendly they are. :-)
It's ok. I've just been reading part of a fairly lenghty thread started by an UR guy and so far he isn't even called a heretic.

I spoke too soon WhiteWings.
The other mod Sarah wants me to post my snippest only in a blog.
Unless I am mistaken, blogs are hardly ever opened and read so I don't think I will bother using the time for that.
Can you give me the url of the thread started by a UR guy?
It might be a better use of my time if I add something to his thread instead.
Thanks
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Re: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT
« Reply #303 on: June 09, 2012, 10:50:47 PM »
That thread is closed Rodger: http://www.praize.com/forums/Apologetics_C2/Christian_Debates_F17/%22Christian_Double_Talk%22_P73698/

My guess is they 'advised'  a blog because they might have mistunderstood you by assuming you start a new thread every day.
What you do here on TM is pretty much a blog too. You posted 100s snippets in one thread.
Maybe you can explain you intend to post in just one thread. Depending on their answer you make your final choice.
Just a thought.
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT
« Reply #304 on: June 10, 2012, 01:58:31 AM »
FROM THE DOCUMENTS OF RODGER TUTT #3

GRACE OVERWHELMS

What I perceive to be a basic issue.

People who don't think salvation is 100% by God, not just 100% "provided" by God like to be in the hands of their own "free" will. That is where they feel most secure.

IMO, that is a basic difference between ETers and URs.

Just like in the case of Lydia (whose heart the Lord opened, Acts 16:14) and Saul of Tarsus (Acts 9:1-8), our cooperation to be saved is the result, not the cause, of God laying hold on us by His sovereign grace and causing Jesus to be "choice" in our heart.

The timing of the salvation of everyone is under God's sovereign control, some sooner, the rest later.

HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE - James Coram
CHOOSING WHAT IS CHOICE
biblical studies: His Achievement Are We - Part 9 - Choosing What Is Choice
http://www.concordant.org/expohtml/HisAchievement/HisAchievement009.html
"No one to whom Christ is not yet choice can choose Christ.
And Christ cannot be choice to anyone to whom He has not yet been made choice.
When He is made choice He becomes choice and so is choice; or to say the same thing, He is chosen.
This first act of the believer in which Christ is consciously chosen, is merely a consequence of his new mental preference which has been graciously granted to him by God."
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Re: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT
« Reply #305 on: June 10, 2012, 09:33:54 PM »
FROM THE DOCUMENTS OF RODGER TUTT #4

ARMINIAN ETERNAL TORMENT BELIEF VERSUS CALVINIST ETERNAL TORMENT BELIEF

ARMINIAN ET BELIEF - It's as if God says
"Unless you are lucky enough to find out about my son during this lifetime, and even if you are that lucky, if you don't have the good sense to cooperate with my son properly before you die, then I am going to raise you from the dead and I will sustain you alive in an inescapable state of eternal torment forever."

Christ's apparent mission: To save from eternal torment only those who are lucky enough to hear about Jesus before they die, and also are smart enough to properly cooperate with Him before they die.

CALVINIST ET BELIEF - It's as if God says
"Since there is nothing you can do about it because you are totally depraved and you are not one of the elect, it is obvious that I created most of you for the purpose of torturing you forever. However, I am going to choose a few of you to go to heaven where you will be happy forever."

Christ's apparent mission: To let everyone suffer eternal torment without any say in the matter, except the few He rescues by His irresistible grace.

Robert Southy (1774 -1843) wrote, "In the worst and bloodiest idolatry that ever defiled the earth, there is nothing so horrid, so monstrous, and so impious as Calvinism."

UNIVERSAL RECONCILIATION BELIEF (mine) – God says
"Sooner or later, because of what Christ accomplished by His death and resurrection, I am going to save all of you from everything from which you need to be saved, including your stubborn will."

Christ's scriptural mission: 'And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world' (1John 4:14).

I worship a Jesus Who will be completely successful in accomplishing the reason why His Father sent Him.

Christ was prophesied to take away the sin of the world (Jn. 1:29), so how then can a sinless world suffer everlasting punishment in the lake of fire?! How absurd! Christ is the Saviour of the world (Jn. 4:42; 1Jn. 4:14), and He will save it!"

My advice, don't put your faith in your faith. Your faith may, and probably will be misplaced from time to time, especially if you are having faith in your self.
Put your faith in Jesus Christ instead, because even if He casts you into the lake of fire which is the second death it will include the age-during corrective chastisement that He has promised to everyone who needs it.
"God will have all mankind to be saved" 1Timothy 2:4

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Re: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT
« Reply #306 on: June 11, 2012, 07:11:12 AM »
Quote fro Roger-

CALVINIST ET BELIEF - It's as if God says
"Since there is nothing you can do about it because you are totally depraved and you are not one of the elect, it is obvious that I created most of you for the purpose of torturing you forever. However, I am going to choose a few of you to go to heaven where you will be happy forever."


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

wow, so well put. so ironic, sardonic.......so unbelievably unlike our God......so obvious.......so sad that anyone believes such a thing. Peace, John
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Re: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT
« Reply #307 on: June 11, 2012, 01:17:47 PM »
FROM THE DOCUMENTS OF RODGER TUTT #5

A.E. KNOCH

One of the great Christian Biblical Universalist of the last century was A.E. Knoch.

My attitude towards the frequent threats of believers in eternal torment is summed up beautifully by his response.

An eternal torment critic said "Mr. Knoch and his colleagues will yet have to answer to God for so defiantly opposing the plain teachings of God's holy word."

In reply A.E. Knoch wrote:

"Let me assure our brother, beloved by the Lord, that we fully expect to answer to God for all our acts, and will rejoice to see all that is not of God destroyed by the fiery test of that day. But such threats do not alarm us in the least. We know a God of transcendent grace. It is only natural for one who thinks Him capable of tormenting His own creatures eternally, to seek to follow His example, and torture His servants here and now. Indeed, it would be strange if it were not so.

The character of the God you worship will determine your ways and your words. We trust it will be so with us also, for we would delight to be like Him. Hence, we do not threaten you with His wrath, but commend you to His grace.

Perhaps no sin can be so great as to distort His words and defame His character. But His grace is superbly sufficient, His love is lavish in its long-suffering. It never lapses, but looks longingly for the reconciliation which is the justification and crown of all His ways with His creatures.

So, as we close with the absolute certainty of a reconciliation between us, we anticipate it on our part and throw all enmity aside. We are conciliated no matter what you do. We recall with joy and satisfaction the great truth that, by God's grace, it is impossible for you to enter into condemnation, no matter how much you may offend Him (Rom.8:1) and the still greater truth that we are saved for grace (Eph.2:8). While your words and ways have seemed to us to be offensively unlike His, this only gives greater ground for grace. This of itself justifies them, for grace must have a foil.

We close, then, with a prayer for such an outpouring of His grace on your own head as will force you to feel the affection which is found in Him for all the creatures of His hand and heart."
A.E. Knoch
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Re: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT
« Reply #308 on: June 11, 2012, 02:00:25 PM »
That was beautiful and almost brought me to tears.

Here was a man who truly knew the Father.  :HeartThrob:
From Him and through Him and to Him are all things.

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« Reply #309 on: June 13, 2012, 12:56:49 AM »
FROM THE DOCUMENTS OF RODGER TUTT #6

AION -- AIONIOS

In the first three chapters of Ephesians, (a key book regarding God's plan for man relative to the fullness of the times) aion is used seven times. And out of those seven, the KJV has chosen five different English words ("ages," "course," "end," "eternal," and "world.") to translate this one word.

And to add to this confusion, it translates the Greek word genea (generation), a totally different word, twice as "ages."

Talk about confusion compounded!

Is it any wonder the church has been blinded from God's truth about the purpose of His judgments and His eonian plan to save all fallen creatures?!

Simply put, the Scriptures do not take up the philosophical concept of eternity, but rather speak of eons and that which pertains to them. Of course God's glory exceeds the eons, but His glory is reflected by His Son during the eons as they are presented in Scripture.

No two words in the history of man have been so torturing as aion and aionion. No two words in the history of man, mishandled by man, have contributed more to the physical, emotional and spiritual harm of so many, than these. You may think I must be exaggerating. But I am not. It is the mistranslation of these two words that has foisted the false and destructive doctrine of eternal torment upon the church and the world.

Mistranslation of the Greek words "aion" and "aionion" is a master stroke of diabolical genius. No other words erroneously translated, could more effectively pervert man's image of God and cause such widespread confusion. The following work by Joseph E. Kirk is offered in the hope that the serious seeker after scriptural truth will be aided in their quest.
CHART OF GOD'S PLAN FOR THE AGES OF TIME
THE EONS OF THE BIBLE WITH CONCORDANCE
http://www.saviourofall.org/Tracts/Eons2.html

Also see
AN ANALYTICAL STUDY OF WORDS
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/asw/index.html
(especially note the quotes by the Greek scholars in chapters three and twelve)

AIÓN -- AIÓNIOS
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Aion_lim.html

The etymology of the Greek word aionios does not contain the meaning of everlasting.
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Re: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT
« Reply #310 on: June 13, 2012, 09:07:20 PM »
FROM THE DOCUMENTS OF RODGER TUTT #7

ALL IN ALL – A.E. Knoch

A.E. Knoch's book ALL IN ALL
Richard Condon's detailed rebuttal of Don Hewey's criticisms of A.E Knoch's ALL IN ALL can be read at
http://www.tentmaker.org/contending.htm
They are the very same arguments he used against A. C. Thomas and E. H. Lake.                 

Regarding the book ALL IN ALL by A.E. Knoch. In spite of the claim that there are contradictions in it, and in spite of "cult-buster" Don Hewey's other attempts to discredit it, (arguments to which Richard Condon has responded), ALL IN ALL remains, in my opinion, one of the best of all the many books that I have read in support of the Bible teaching universal transformation.

Don Hewey is a believer in the inspiration of the King James Version. When he accuses A.E. Knoch of "contradicting the Bible," in many cases what he really means is that A.E. Knoch contradicts the KJV, because the Concordant Translation does not rely on the Received Text from which the KJV was translated. Don Hewey therefore also attacks the RSV, the NIV, and other modern translations. For this reason much of what Don writes just doesn't make any sense.

As far as Knoch calling the life that Lazarus will be raised to as it being eonian and unending, it is both. Lazarus will have unending life and that life will allow him to live through the oncoming eons which is called '"eonian life."

But even if Don Hewey's criticisms had any merit, (and Richard Condon proves they don't), they would still not detract from the fact that this book proves that the Bible teaches universal salvation, not eternal torment, or even annihilation.

Richard Condon's detailed rebuttal of Don Hewey's criticisms of ALL IN ALL can be read at
http://www.tentmaker.org/contending.htm
They are the very same arguments he used against A. C. Thomas and E. H. Lake.                 

ALL IN ALL by A.E. Knoch (222 pages)
Concordant Publishing Concern
http://www.concordant.org/
Introduction:
"The blood of Christ is the basis of all blessing. The purpose of God determines human destiny. It does not depend on our deserts. The plan or process of God during the eons or ages must be distinguished from His purpose which will not be fully accomplished until the eons are past. Herein lies the difference between the teaching of the Scriptures and the accepted creeds of Christendom.

The believer suffers in the current era because of sin, but will be released in the resurrection at the presence of Christ. The unbeliever will have affliction and anguish for his sins in the judgment, but he also becomes reconciled to God at the consummation, through the blood of Christ's cross. (Col.1-20).

Universal reconciliation is the glorious goal toward which all leads. All of God's purpose is achieved through Him Who is the Alpha and the Omega (Rev.1:8). "In Him the entire complement delights to dwell, and through Him [God delights] to reconcile all to Him (making peace through the blood of His cross), through him, whether those on the earth or those in the heavens" (Col.1:19,20)

The terms translated "forever" and "everlasting" and "never" are human perversions which could never have deceived us if they had been consistently rendered. They denote definite divisions of time called ages or eons. All together they form a distinct portion of time called eonian times. Much in our common creeds is true if confined within the eons, but it is most malignant error when forced beyond the eons.

Since judgment is not eternal, but eonian, we may accept all the solemn threats of death and condemnation without reservation, while happily exulting in God's grand goal to which all His labors lead: that God may be All in All (1Cor.15:28)."

ALL IN ALL can be read on the internet here

Copy and paste the following url into the server address bar or click on
http://www.lighthouselibrary.com/read.php?sel=2586&searchfor=||KNOCH, ADOLPH E||&type=&what=author
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Re: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT
« Reply #311 on: June 14, 2012, 01:03:47 AM »
That thread is closed Rodger: http://www.praize.com/forums/Apologetics_C2/Christian_Debates_F17/%22Christian_Double_Talk%22_P73698/

My guess is they 'advised'  a blog because they might have mistunderstood you by assuming you start a new thread every day.
What you do here on TM is pretty much a blog too. You posted 100s snippets in one thread.
Maybe you can explain you intend to post in just one thread. Depending on their answer you make your final choice.
Just a thought.

Well WhiteWings, I got banned.

The mod Sarah sent me a PM saying that she didn't realize at first that I am a UR.
And she says that since I don't believe the Bible she has banned me, but she says she hopes I will soon find "the real Jesus Christ," Of course she means the "Jesus" who will sustain people alive in an inescapable state of everlasting suffering.

In my reply, I gave her this link
KNOWING THE REAL JESUS
http://www.godfire.net/eby/godislove.html

I doubt I will hear back from her.

WhiteWings, let me know if you find another forum where I can try posting my snippets.
Thanks
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Re: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT
« Reply #312 on: June 14, 2012, 05:24:42 AM »
Jesus got banned for telling the truth too Rodger; so you are in good company.
At least to were able to post a few snippets I hope. Or were they deleted?
Still weird that Mark guy was allowed to post for that long.
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John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT
« Reply #313 on: June 14, 2012, 05:33:58 AM »
That was beautiful and almost brought me to tears.

Here was a man who truly knew the Father.  :HeartThrob:

Amen
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Re: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT
« Reply #314 on: June 14, 2012, 03:23:51 PM »
FROM THE DOCUMENTS OF RODGER TUTT #8

ARGUMENTS

I believe that the Bible teaches that sooner or later God is going to save everyone from everything from which they need to be saved, including their stubborn will.

Everyone will choose to believe whatever they are convinced is the truth about what the Bible teaches.

I'm just so glad that I learned about the following information because it enabled me to recover from a twelve year nervous breakdown (1966-78).
I'm 73 years old now.

People who can love an "eternal torment" or "annihilationist" god will not be interested in the following information
Will Jesus Torture Billions Forever?
http://www.godfire.net/eby/circularity.html

But people who cannot love an "eternal torment" or "annihilationist" god will discover that all of the arguments against the Bible teaching universal salvation have been refuted in the following links.

THE SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD SERIES
http://www.godfire.net/eby/saviour_of_the_world.html

ABSOLUTE ASSURANCE IN JESUS CHRIST
http://www.sigler.org/slagle/absolute.htm

BIBLE THREATENINGS EXPLAINED
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/BibleThreateningsExplained.html

FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS
http://www.tentmaker.org/FAQ/index.html

INFORMATION ON HELL AND UNIVERSAL SALVATION
http://www.tentmaker.org/bloglinks.htm

UNIVERSAL SALVATION UNIVERSITY
http://richardwaynegarganta.com/universalsalvation.htm

AN ANALYTICAL STUDY OF WORDS
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/asw/index.html

THE EONS OF THE BIBLE WITH CONCORDANCE
http://www.saviourofall.org/Tracts/Eons2.html
 
THE SCHOLARS CORNER THE CENTER FOR BIBLE STUDIES IN CHRISTIAN UNIVERSALISM
http://www.tentmaker.org/ScholarsCorner.html

Also Google up TENTMAKER, and at the top of the front page type a key word or phrase from any argument or scripture passage into the search engine. Ten articles will come up refuting the claim that the Bible teaches eternal torment or annihilation. Then click to the next page and ten more articles will come up, and so on and so on for many pages.
The link to TENTMAKER is
http://www.tentmaker.org/
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Re: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT
« Reply #315 on: June 15, 2012, 02:01:27 PM »
#8 - THE NATURE, THE CHARACTER OF CHRISTIAN PRAYER - JOHN WESLEY HANSON

Every human being is under perpetual obligation to pray to God as the
Father of all souls, to bring in His kingdom, fulfill His will and
deliver from evil, and save from sin the whole human family; and that
we are commanded to pray for this,—universal salvation—is evident from
the language of the Apostle Paul in I Timothy 2:1-4:
"I exhort, therefore, that first of all, supplications, prayers,
intercessions and giving of thanks, be made for all men; for kings and
all that are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life
in all godliness and honesty; for this is good and acceptable in the
sight of God our Savior; who will have all men to be saved and to come
unto the knowledge of the truth."

Thus God desires all men to be saved, and you and I and all men are
commanded therefore, to pray that all men may be saved. God does this.
This prayer proceeds from the divine heart all the time. "Prayer is
the soul's sincere desire uttered or unexpressed." All men must, when
they follow the instincts of their nature, pray for the salvation of
all men...

But the second feature in prayer is, that men, "whatsoever they ask
for of God, shall pray in faith, nothing doubting.
I Timothy 2: 8:—"I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting
up holy hands, without wrath and doubting."
It is wicked to pray for anything to God, unless we pray in faith,
unless in our heart of hearts we believe our hopes will be answered. A
faithless prayer is an abomination in the sight of God; hence the
apostle says in Romans 14:23:—"Whatsoever is not of faith is sin."

Now, then, a Christian must pray for universal salvation; if he does
not, he does not offer Christian prayer; and if a man thus prays, but
believes that his prayer will not be answered, then he cannot offer
Christian prayer. Genuine Christian prayer comprehends the final
salvation of all men, and as it is necessary to give it in full faith,
nothing doubting, it demonstrates the final salvation of all, for
certainly God would not command his children to pray for a thing and
pray without doubting, unless in the divine plan that were to be the
result. Hence Paul appeals to this ground of faith in I Timothy 2:5-6:
"For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man
Christ Jesus who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due
time."
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Re: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT
« Reply #316 on: June 16, 2012, 02:16:03 PM »
#9 - In John 12:32, in signifying by what death He was about to be dying
(v.33), Jesus said, 'And I, if I should be exalted out of the earth,
shall be drawing all to Myself.'
It is not that "draw" means "drag;" it is rather that an agency which
draws, is equally as effective as an agency which drags. When a man is
dragged, he is moved contrary to his will; when a man is drawn, he is
moved in correspondence to his will, according to the influences which
cause him to choose as he does. Agencies which drag, determine the
body; agencies which draw, determine the heart, from which spring the
outflowings of life (Prov.4:23).

When one is "drawn in" to doing something, he is still caused to act
as he does; he must still do what he, even if gently, is "drawn" to
do--as much so as if he were "dragged" ("kicking and screaming") into
so doing. It is simply that an agency which "draws," engages the will
and instills the voluntary behavior which follows, in contradistinction to a power that merely compels outward acts--"dragging" them forth--without gaining the acquiescence of the will.

Thus we rejoice to know that while no one can come to Christ if ever
the Father Who sends Him should not be drawing him (John 6:44), in due
time, under God, Christ "shall be drawing all to Himself" (John
12:32). James Coram  http://www.concordant.org/expohtml/QuestionsAndAnswers/Q&AIndex5.html#115a

It would be good to answer this question: When will Christ draw to Himself the multiplied millions who die without having once heard about the one true God? (This would include hundreds of millions of small children.) - Kenneth Larsen
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Re: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT
« Reply #317 on: June 16, 2012, 03:07:25 PM »
Excellent. Beautiful. Wondermus!
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Re: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT
« Reply #318 on: June 17, 2012, 01:30:52 PM »
#10 - Does God "offer" salvation to all, and it's up to each one to either
accept it or reject it?

First, of ourselves, none of us would accept it. So, we should receive
the clear Bible teaching that faith is a gift. Ro. 3:10-18; Eph. 2:6-10; Phil. 1:29.

Second, we know from Ro. 9 and other verses such as Eph. 1:4; 2 Thes.
2:13 and 3:2, that God does not choose to save all in this life.

Third, we know God wills all to be saved. Titus 2:11; 1 Tim. 2:4-6.

Fourth, we know that all things are possible with God. Matt. 19:25,
26; Jeremiah 32:17.

Fifth, we know that Christ enlightens all, and draws all to Himself.
John 1:9; 12:32.

Sixth, we know God will reconcile all to Himself. 1 Cor. 15:20-28;
Col. 1:15-20; Phil. 2:9-11; Ro. 5:18, 19.

Therefore, seventh, we know that God grants salvation (faith,
repentance, and reconciliation) to all, for He is the Savior of all
mankind. Acts 5:31; 11:18; 2 Tim. 2:25; 1 Tim. 4:9-11
- Kenneth Larsen.
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Re: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT
« Reply #319 on: June 17, 2012, 07:14:12 PM »
#10..... I don't kno.
A gift must be accepted, or it is not a gift. To be a gift, two free wills must be involved. A gift I cannot reject is not a gift.

 As I see it- the paradigm is that God will win every free will He has given (imo, He has given evryone He created in His image a free will or they are not created in His image) into His love, and has known that and planned it so since the beginning. His love is so awesome, and so beautiful (as demonstrated upon the cross of Christ) that is will DRAW all men unto Him. If we reject it, as we all hav at one time or another, it will only be until the light finally breaks through the darkness in wavs of glory and we fall upon bended knee and confess with joyfully liberated lips that JESUS IS MESSIAH AND LORD!.....to the glory of God the Father.

The beauty of Jesus is that having complete freedom of will He chose to chose to humble himself and lay down his life- suffering the bitter pains of death for all creation, in order to set them free from futility into the GLORIOUS LIBERTY OF THE SONS OF GOD- which is simply the freedom of doing all things out of love.
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Re: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT
« Reply #320 on: June 17, 2012, 08:16:38 PM »
Depends how one looks at it EW.
Your way which is similar to this.
But OTOH the gift was Jesus "gave His only begotten Son". There is nothing you can do to turn back the events that took place nearly 2000 years ago. The last 3 years of Jesus' life was "the gift"


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Re: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT
« Reply #321 on: June 17, 2012, 10:32:55 PM »
#13 - DESTRUCTION IS NOT ETERNAL - Kenneth Larson

Jesus knew that John 3:16 was not the end of the story…that's why He continued to John 3:17 and talked about the salvation of all mankind!!!
Jesus makes no attempt to use verse 16 to negate or qualify verse 17. He simply makes both statements side by side as if both are completely true. The reason He does this is that both ARE completely true.

We see this over and over in Scripture, especially in the writings of Paul – a statement about people who have faith now (maybe a warning or exhortation or encouragement about the benefits of taking part in the kingdom of God a.k.a. the next two ages of life on earth) right next to a statement about how Christ accomplished the justification of all men. See Romans 3:23-24 and 5:18 and their contexts for example. This is no big deal; none of these statements negate, qualify (change), or contradict each other, because both concepts are 100% true. Some will be saved from death early and take part in the kingdom of God, and everyone else will be saved from death later.

To attempt to use some statements (about those who get saved early) to negate the others statements (about the eventual salvation of all) is to butcher the common sense rules of language and communication. We would never do this to each other in everyday communication; the only reason people try to do it to Jesus and Paul is because they cannot bring themselves to believe the plain statements about the eventual salvation of all mankind.

If I said to my kids, "Those of you who help me clean the yard today will get to go to a movie with me tomorrow, and next week I will take the rest of you to a movie," I have made it very clear that all the kids will eventually go to the movies. My two statements do not contradict each other or negate each other in any way. This is the exact same thing Jesus does in John 3:16 and 17 – He makes two equally true statements. Yet "hell mindset" Christians try to make one statement negate the other in order to fit their preconceived pagan/Catholic-inherited ideas.

http://www.bible-questions-and-answers.com/Erasing-Hell-book.html
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« Reply #322 on: June 18, 2012, 03:25:46 AM »
Depends how one looks at it EW.
Your way which is similar to this.
But OTOH the gift was Jesus "gave His only begotten Son". There is nothing you can do to turn back the events that took place nearly 2000 years ago. The last 3 years of Jesus' life was "the gift"


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Definitely depends on how one looks at it. The coin has two sides to view, both elements of one full coin (and only half of two cents :o)
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Re: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT
« Reply #323 on: June 18, 2012, 05:15:14 AM »
Cool post, Rodger.
For the [logos-saying-word] word of God [is]alive and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

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Re: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT
« Reply #324 on: June 18, 2012, 06:08:18 AM »
Cool post, Rodger.

Thanks jabcat, but the link you gave will not open for me.
Does it open for anyone else?
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