Author Topic: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT (Read 38006 times)

rodgertutt · « **Reply #275 on:** February 03, 2012, 04:22:06 PM »

#194 – Gregory of Nyssa (335-390)

What is the scope of St. Paul's dissertations? That the nature of evil shall, at length, be wholly exterminated, and divine immortal goodness embrace within itself every rational creature; so that of all who were made by God, not one shall be excluded from His kingdom. All the viciousness that like a corrupt matter is mingled in things shall be dissolved and consumed in fire; and everything shall be restored to its pristine state of purity.

In 1Cor. 15:22-28, the apostle Paul declares the extinction of all sin, saying that God will be All in all. For God will be truly All in all only when no evil shall remain in the nature of things. All evil must at length, be entirely removed from everything, so that it shall no more exist. For such being the nature of sin, that it cannot exist without a corrupt motive, it must, of course, be perfectly dissolved and wholly destroyed, so that nothing can remain a receptacle of it, when all motive and influences shall spring from God alone.

As the devil assumed a fleshly shape in order to ruin human nature, so the Lord took flesh for the salvation of man; and thus He blesses not only him who was ruined, but him also who led him into perdition; so that He both delivers man from sin, and heals the author of sin himself."

eaglesway · « **Reply #276 on:** February 03, 2012, 04:48:37 PM »

There is but one fire. It is the light of God, which is His love. Children of the Day bask in it, bathe in it, rejoice in it. Children of the darkness writhe in it, as it forces their secrets up from the depths to the surface, where they may be slain, like Leviathan, by the flames that fill His eyes, and the sword that comes from His mouth- His face(countenance,presence) -being as the "sun shining in its strength". "Nothing is hidden that shall not be brought to light". "The light shines in the darkness and the darkness can not overcome it".

12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. 13 Nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.

rodgertutt · « **Reply #277 on:** February 04, 2012, 01:30:35 AM »

#195 – Didymus, the blind, of Alexandria (313-398 A.D.)

"As mankind, by being reclaimed from their sins, are to be subjected to Christ in the fullness of the dispensation instituted for the salvation of all, so the superior rational intelligences, the angels, will be restored to obedience by correction.

The blasphemy which shall not be forgiven in this age, nor in the age to come, may have been the blinded Jews; and their punishment, that which came upon them when they were delivered up to the Romans, and scattered over the whole earth. They will be pursued with vengeance from the Lord, not for a short period only, but for the whole future age, so that they shall be captives and fugitives, wandering among all nations, and possessing neither city nor country. Nevertheless, as God Who overthrew them is naturally kind and compassionate, He hath still reserved for them a space for repentance."

rodgertutt · « **Reply #278 on:** February 04, 2012, 02:51:52 PM »

#196 – COMMENTARY ON THE NEW TESTAMENT – Jerome (347-420 A.D.)

"In the end or consummation of things, all shall be restored to their original state, and be again united in one body. We cannot be ignorant that Christ's blood benefited the angels and those who are in hell; though we know not the manner in which it produced such effects. The apostate angels shall become such as they were created; and man, who has been cast out of paradise, shall be restored thither again. And this shall be accomplished in such a way, that all shall be united together by mutual charity, so that the members will delight in each other, and rejoice in each other's promotion.

The apostate angels, and the prince of this world, though now ungovernable, plunging themselves into the depths of sin, shall, in the end, embrace the happy dominion of Christ and His saints.

rodgertutt · « **Reply #279 on:** February 05, 2012, 03:16:31 PM »

#197 – AVITUS and BASIL, A GRECIAN (approx. 410 A.D.) together taught

"Future torments are not endless; for although they are called everlasting, yet that word in the original Greek, does not, according to its etymology, and its frequent use, signify endless, but answers only to the duration of an age; so that every sinner, after the purification of his conscience, shall return into the unity of the body of Christ.
The devil himself will at length be saved, when all his wickedness shall have been subdued.

rodgertutt · « **Reply #280 on:** February 06, 2012, 03:23:49 PM »

#198 – Theodorus of Mopsuestia (350-428 A.D.)

"All sins will be wiped away, because a true remission consists in the remission not of some sins but of all of them, as the blessed John said: "Behold the lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world." This, however, will take place fully in the next world when after the resurrection we shall be immortal and when all the impulses of sins will cease. This is the reason why the blessed Paul also said: "If the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised, and if Christ be not raised your faith is vain and ye are yet in your sins." He shows in this that in the future resurrection from the dead we are expecting complete abolition of sin.

"When this corruptible shall have put on incorruption and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, 'Death is swallowed up in victory. O grave, where is thy victory? O death, where is thy sting?' The sting of death is sin, and the strength of the sin is the law." Then will truly take place the abolition of all these: of death, sin and corruption."

rosered · « **Reply #281 on:** February 06, 2012, 06:07:12 PM »

Quote from: eaglesway on February 03, 2012, 04:48:37 PM

There is but one fire. It is the light of God, which is His love. Children of the Day bask in it, bathe in it, rejoice in it. Children of the darkness writhe in it, as it forces their secrets up from the depths to the surface, where they may be slain, like Leviathan, by the flames that fill His eyes, and the sword that comes from His mouth- His face(countenance,presence) -being as the "sun shining in its strength". "Nothing is hidden that shall not be brought to light". "The light shines in the darkness and the darkness can not overcome it".

12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. 13 Nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.

Love this !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!AMEN ! WELL SAID !!!

made me think of Isaish 33 ! love that chapter so much , made me see the God is a counsuming fire , so much more perfectly and His Spiritual sons of Glory are a Light /truth and Fire /Spirit they are very close indeed

Isa 33:14 The sinners in Zion are afraid;

fearfulness has surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?

eaglesway · « **Reply #282 on:** June 02, 2012, 08:44:47 AM »

I feel as if i hav stepped into a tIme machine :o) Nice post Rosie! HAHAHAHA

rodgertutt · « **Reply #283 on:** June 02, 2012, 02:42:15 PM »

#199 - John Scottus Eriugena (810-877 A.D)

"There will be a conscious return (reditus) and merging of all beings into God. No souls (including the souls of animals) will be left out of this grand return. No one will be damned to suffer forever in hell or wither away into oblivion. There can only be a single destination for all: eternal salvation in God, the whole of humanity as in the image of God eventually to be restored to its divine exemplar.

The object of punishment is not the will of the individual himself, but the misdirection of the will, so the result of punishment is the final purification and redemption of all. Even the devils shall be saved. The ultimate goal is deification, theosis or resumption into the divine being, when the individual soul is raised to a full knowledge of God, and where knowing and being are one."

rodgertutt · « **Reply #284 on:** June 03, 2012, 10:25:39 AM »

#200 – THE RESTORATION OF ALL THINGS – Jeremiah White (1613-72 A.D)

"God's love demands that all punishment be reformative, Divine punishment is both good in itself, because everything that God does is good, and good for those being punished, because God loves His creation"

eaglesway · « **Reply #285 on:** June 04, 2012, 05:51:30 AM »

Quote from: rodgertutt on June 02, 2012, 02:42:15 PM

#199 - John Scottus Eriugena (810-877 A.D)

"There will be a conscious return (reditus) and merging of all beings into God. No souls (including the souls of animals) will be left out of this grand return. No one will be damned to suffer forever in hell or wither away into oblivion. There can only be a single destination for all: eternal salvation in God, the whole of humanity as in the image of God eventually to be restored to its divine exemplar.

The object of punishment is not the will of the individual himself, but the misdirection of the will, so the result of punishment is the final purification and redemption of all. Even the devils shall be saved. The ultimate goal is deification, theosis or resumption into the divine being, when the individual soul is raised to a full knowledge of God, and where knowing and being are one."

wow, i love this one. i have been saying this for years, but he said it so succinctly! :o)

jabcat · « **Reply #286 on:** June 04, 2012, 06:25:22 AM »

Quote from: eaglesway on June 04, 2012, 05:51:30 AM

Quote from: rodgertutt on June 02, 2012, 02:42:15 PM
#199 - John Scottus Eriugena (810-877 A.D)

"There will be a conscious return (reditus) and merging of all beings into God. No souls (including the souls of animals) will be left out of this grand return. No one will be damned to suffer forever in hell or wither away into oblivion. There can only be a single destination for all: eternal salvation in God, the whole of humanity as in the image of God eventually to be restored to its divine exemplar.

The object of punishment is not the will of the individual himself, but the misdirection of the will, so the result of punishment is the final purification and redemption of all. Even the devils shall be saved. The ultimate goal is deification, theosis or resumption into the divine being, when the individual soul is raised to a full knowledge of God, and where knowing and being are one."

wow, i love this one. i have been saying this for years, but he said it so succinctly! :o)

Amen!

rodgertutt · « **Reply #287 on:** June 04, 2012, 02:49:04 PM »

#201 – BIBLE THREATENINGS EXPLAINED – John Wesley Hanson
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/BibleThreateningsExplained.html

"Passages of Scripture Sometimes Quoted to Prove Endless Punishment
Shown to Teach Consequences of Limited Duration, showing that Christian universalism, or ultimate reconciliation is the true Biblical doctrine."

Arguably, this is the most helpful link on the internet for people who want to believe that the Bible, (literally, not interpretively) translated, teaches universal salvation, not eternal torment, or even annihilation.

rodgertutt · « **Reply #288 on:** June 05, 2012, 10:37:21 AM »

#202 - AIÓN – AIÓNIOS – ("shown to denote limited duration") John Wesley Hanson
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Aion_lim.html

The etymology of the Greek word aionios does not contain the meaning of everlasting.

"THE VOCABULARY OF THE GREEK TESTAMENT (edited by James Hope Moulton and George Milligan) is helpful. Concerning aionios we read, "In general, the word depicts that of which the horizon is not in view . . ." (p.16). If the horizon of the extermination spoken of by Paul in 2 Thessalonians 1:9 is simply not in view, then we can see that what Paul says in 1 Corinthians 15:22 can truly occur. The same all who are dying in Adam, which includes some who incur eonian extermination, can indeed eventually be vivified in Christ. The Bible, in fact, does not speak of judgment and condemnation, death and destruction, hades and Gehenna, or any of these serious consequences of sin, as unending. It may refer to them as not having the end in view, but none of these fearful works of God can keep Him from achieving His will (1Tim.2:4); reconciling all through the blood of Christ's cross (Col.1:20, and becoming All in all (1 Cor.15:28)."
Dean Hough

rodgertutt · « **Reply #289 on:** June 05, 2012, 11:01:30 AM »

#203 - AN ANALYTICAL STUDY OF WORDS – Louis Abbott
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/asw/index.html
Regarding the words translated "forever and ever."

"There are several analogous expressions in the Scriptures which should show the meaning of the words under discussion. In Ex. 26:33 (LXX), tou hagiou ton hagion, "in the holy of the holies." This is similar to the "eon of the eons" of Eph. 3:21. In IKings 8:6 (LXX) we see, eis ta hagia ton hagion, for "the holies of the holies" - similar to "eons of the eons." The "holy of the holies" and "holies of the holies" refer to the tabernacle. Psalm 44:7 says, ho thronos sou ho theos, eis ton aiona tou aionos, "Thy throne, O God, is for the eon of eon"-similar to Heb. 1:8. Daniel 7:18: "until eon of the eons" and similar to that of Eph. 3:21, where a singular is followed by a plural, "eon of the eons." In these expressions we see the eons corresponding to the holies in the tabernacle.

While there are many different teachings on the types in the Tabernacle of Moses, it should not be too difficult to see that there were at least five divisions: (1) without the camp; (2) in the camp; (3) in the court; (4) in the holy place; and (5) in the holy of holies. These may be likened to the five eons we find in the Scriptures (past eons, present eon, future eons). The last eon is called the "eon of the eons," because it, like the "holy of holies," is the climax of the others. In Hebrews chapter 9, the Greek text of Nestle reads (margin v. 25), eis ta hagia ton hagion, "into the holies of the holies," and (v. 3), hagia hagion, "holies of holies." Just as the two holy places in the tabernacle are called the holies of holies, so the last two eons are often called the eons of the eons.

As the tabernacle illustrated man's approach to God, it corresponds closely with the eonian times, which also brings man to God. The "holy of holies" was a single holy place. The "eon of eons," a single eon. It was the pre-eminence of the "holy of holies," in relation to the other holy places, which caused it to be so designated. So the pre-eminence of the "eon of the eons" lies in its being the fruitage and harvest of previous eons. The same is true of the "holies of the holies" of Heb. 9:25. They may be likened to the "eons of the eons" of Rev. 11:15; 22:5."

rodgertutt · « **Reply #290 on:** June 05, 2012, 01:19:56 PM »

PREACHING TO THE CHOIR

#204 – A MESSAGE FROM GARY AMIRAULT (owner of the TENTMAKER website)
http://www.tentmaker.org/

http://lovewins.us/
http://what-the-hell-is-hell.com/

"Hell is a myth! Jesus Christ saves all mankind. That is the growing view of Bible scholars, translators and Bible publishers. Hell is leaving the pages of many Bible translations.

Bible scholars and church historians are acknowledging that early Christians were taught by Jesus and the apostles that ALL mankind would ultimately be saved. Discover how the heathen concept of Hell crept into the church and then on to the pages of many Bible translations.

Tentmaker Ministries website contains hundreds of articles and books explaining how this happened and its horrible effect on mankind. We also make available many other resources for the equipping of the saints for the work of the ministry.

Experience your heavenly Father's unfailing love for you. Be set free from the fear that you or a loved one may be eternally damned to Hell."

Gary Amirault, Tentmaker Ministries

WhiteWings · « **Reply #291 on:** June 05, 2012, 01:48:36 PM »

Quote from: rodgertutt on June 05, 2012, 01:19:56 PM

PREACHING TO THE CHOIR

#204 – A MESSAGE FROM GARY AMIRAULT (owner of the TENTMAKER website)
http://www.tentmaker.org/

AND

http://lovewins.us/
http://what-the-hell-is-hell.com/

Maybe you can add those link on the other 79 forums to promote those sites too?

rodgertutt · « **Reply #292 on:** June 05, 2012, 02:25:35 PM »

Quote from: WhiteWings on June 05, 2012, 01:48:36 PM

Quote from: rodgertutt on June 05, 2012, 01:19:56 PM
PREACHING TO THE CHOIR

#204 – A MESSAGE FROM GARY AMIRAULT (owner of the TENTMAKER website)
http://www.tentmaker.org/
AND

http://lovewins.us/
http://what-the-hell-is-hell.com/

Maybe you can add those link on the other 79 forums to promote those sites too?

WILL DO

rodgertutt · « **Reply #293 on:** June 06, 2012, 02:34:13 PM »

#205 - UNIVERSAL SALVATION UNIVERSITY
http://richardwaynegarganta.com/universalsalvation.htm

An excellent website expounding Christian Biblical Universalism

rodgertutt · « **Reply #294 on:** June 07, 2012, 03:37:15 PM »

FROM THE DOCUMENTS OF RODGER TUTT #1

Sooner or later "God will have all men to be saved" (1 Timothy 2:4)
It is God's "pleasure" that all mankind be saved.
And "God is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will" (Ephesians 1:11).

Change it to read "in accord with the counsel of what He wants" if you like.
Because God says
"My counsel shall stand.
I will do all my pleasure
(the saving of all mankind is part of the pleasure that God wants)
Yea I have spoken it.
I will also bring it to pass.
I have purposed it.
I will also do it."
Isaiah 46:10,11

Job 23:13 "But He stands alone, and who can oppose Him?
He does whatever he pleases.
(the saving of all mankind is part of what He wants that pleases Him).

Isaiah 55:11 so is my word that goes out from my mouth:
It will not return to me empty,
but will accomplish what I desire
and achieve the purpose for which I sent it.
(the saving of all mankind is part of all of which God desires or wants)

So we see God does all His pleasure, He does whatever He pleases, and His word accomplishes that which He desires.
His pleasure, that which He desires and pleases Him is what He wants.

His will = What He wants
What does He want?
THE SALVATION OF ALL MANKIND
Why will it happen?
Because God Himself will see to it that it gets done.

Any cooperation towards our salvation is the result, not the cause of God laying hold on us by His saving grace and causing Jesus to be "choice" in our heart, just like it was in the case of Lydia and Saul of Tarsus.

rodgertutt · « **Reply #295 on:** June 08, 2012, 01:28:14 PM »

FROM THE DOCUMENTS OF RODGER TUTT #2

Everyone who is cast into the lake of fire which is the second death will be saved out of it.

Greek scholar William Barclay wrote concerning kolasis aionion (age-during corrective chastisement) in Matthew 25:46
"The Greek word for punishment is kolasis, which was not originally an ethical word at all. It originally meant the pruning of trees to make them grow better. There is no instance in Greek secular literature where kolasis does not mean remedial punishment. It is a simple fact that in Greek kolasis always means remedial punishment. God's punishment is always for man's cure."

See what other Greek scholars say about it too.
AN ANALYTICAL STUDY OF WORDS
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/asw/Chapter11.html

Fifteen literally translated (not interpretively translated) Bibles that reveal what God will do with the sinners in Matthew 25:46
Concordant Literal, Young's literal, Wilson's Emphatic Diaglott, Rotherham's Emphasized, Scarlett's, J.W. Hanson's New Covenant, Twentieth Century, Ferrar Fenton, The Western New Testament, Weymouth's (unedited), Clementson's, The New Testament of our Lord and Savior Jesus Anointed, The Restoration of Original Sacred Name Bible, Bullinger's Companion Bible margins, Jonathan Mitchell's translation (2010).

Regarding the meaning of aionios, many Greek scholars agree with John Wesley Hanson.
AIÓN – AIÓNIOS
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Aion_lim.shtml

SEE

THE SCHOLARS CORNER THE CENTER FOR BIBLE STUDIES IN CHRISTIAN UNIVERSALISM
http://www.tentmaker.org/ScholarsCorner.html

WhiteWings · « **Reply #296 on:** June 09, 2012, 01:42:28 PM »

Rodger,

I found a forum you are not posting on (I think).

http://www.praize.com/forums/

rodgertutt · « **Reply #297 on:** June 09, 2012, 02:40:52 PM »

Quote from: WhiteWings on June 09, 2012, 01:42:28 PM

Rodger,

I found a forum you are not posting on (I think).

http://www.praize.com/forums/

I just signed up and started my snippets thread.
Thanks for the heads up.
I guess I'll find out soon enough how UR friendly they are. :-)

WhiteWings · « **Reply #298 on:** June 09, 2012, 03:01:27 PM »

Quote from: rodgertutt on June 09, 2012, 02:40:52 PM

Quote from: WhiteWings on June 09, 2012, 01:42:28 PM
Rodger,

I found a forum you are not posting on (I think).

http://www.praize.com/forums/

I just signed up and started my snippets thread.
Thanks for the heads up.
I guess I'll find out soon enough how UR friendly they are. :-)

It's ok. I've just been reading part of a fairly lenghty thread started by an UR guy and sofar he isn't even called a heretic.

rodgertutt · « **Reply #299 on:** June 09, 2012, 06:00:29 PM »

Quote from: WhiteWings on June 09, 2012, 03:01:27 PM

Quote from: rodgertutt on June 09, 2012, 02:40:52 PM
Quote from: WhiteWings on June 09, 2012, 01:42:28 PM
Rodger,

I found a forum you are not posting on (I think).

http://www.praize.com/forums/

I just signed up and started my snippets thread.
Thanks for the heads up.
I guess I'll find out soon enough how UR friendly they are. :-)
It's ok. I've just been reading part of a fairly lenghty thread started by an UR guy and sofar he isn't even called a heretic.

And I just received a warm personal welcome message from the administrator Chaplain Dave.
So I think my snippets will be allowed, and maybe even appreciated. :-)

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Author Topic: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT (Read 38006 times)