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Snippets from the ETV (Eternal Torture Version Bible)
« on: November 30, 2012, 04:45:36 PM »
This is not done to hurt - but to cause people to think about the God they worship, who He is and what He does.

(ETV) John 1:29 - The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said,
"Look the Lamb of God, who takes away a small portion of the sin of the world"

(Actual) John 1:29 - The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said,
"Look the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world."
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Re: Snippets from the ETV (Eternal Torture Bible)
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2012, 03:40:30 AM »
(ETV ) He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--all things have been created through Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything. For it was the Father's good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him, and through Him to reconcile a few things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.
(Col 1:15-20)

(Actual)He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--all things have been created through Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything. For it was the Father's good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him, and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.
 
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Re: Snippets from the ETV (Eternal Torture Bible)
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2012, 04:11:06 AM »
Here are two statements:

STATEMENT A---"God does {not} save all men. God saves {only} those that believe in Him before they die" Eternal torment. 

STATEMENT B---"For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men {specially of those} that believe" 1Timothy 4:10.

Obviously both statements can't be true. One statement must be false. Universalists believe STATEMENT B to be the true statement, because STATEMENT B is the inspired word of God. Which statement do you believe to be true?
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Re: Snippets from the ETV (Eternal Torture Bible)
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2012, 04:03:28 PM »
 This is not done to hurt - but to cause people to think about the God they worship, who He is and what He does.

(ETV)But you must not eat from the tree that gives knowledge about good and evil. If you eat fruit from that tree, on that day you will certainly (begin to)die. After you die, I will torture you forever.
(Acual) Gen @:17 But you must not eat from the tree that gives knowledge about good and evil. If you eat fruit from that tree, on that day you will certainly (begin to) die!"

If ET were true, it would be the one of the most important doctrines of the Bible. Here is Adams' warning about the consequences if he should sin. The first sin, the first warning, if ET were true and God wanted all to be warned about the consequences, wouldn't this be the best time to say that?
Adam certainly couldn't warn any of his children without any knowledge of eternal torture and there is no record of God warning any of them in the Old testament at all.
 
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Re: Snippets from the ETV (Eternal Torture Bible)
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2012, 04:16:53 PM »
In chapter 4 of Genesis, God has a second opportunity to warn about eternal torment. Cain murders his own brother Abel.
Does God say anything about eternal torment for it? NO
God tells Cain that because of the murder he is cursed and will be a restless wanderer on the earth. (Cain is already going to eventually die since he is descendant of Adam) What?? What kind of eternal torture is that? God never even mentioned it.
Even with being under a curse to be a wanderer, Cain says his punishment is greater than he can bear!!
Cain is afraid someone will kill him. The Lord says if anyone does, he will suffer vengeance 7 times over. What??
This was even before "a life for a life" for how could vengeance applied to anyone killing Cain be the penalty of being killed themselves 7 TIMES!!


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Re: Snippets from the ETV (Eternal Torture Bible)
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2012, 05:40:09 PM »
In chapter 4 of Genesis, God has a second opportunity to warn about eternal torment. Cain murders his own brother Abel.
Does God say anything about eternal torment for it? NO
God tells Cain that because of the murder he is cursed and will be a restless wanderer on the earth. (Cain is already going to eventually die since he is descendant of Adam) What?? What kind of eternal torture is that? God never even mentioned it.
Even with being under a curse to be a wanderer, Cain says his punishment is greater than he can bear!!
Cain is afraid someone will kill him. The Lord says if anyone does, he will suffer vengeance 7 times over. What??
This was even before "a life for a life" for how could vengeance applied to anyone killing Cain be the penalty of being killed themselves 7 TIMES!!

Perhaps the 7 times over vengeance is the second death, aionian kolassis- definitely a fearful prospect, but not "being tormented forever"- which would be 10 to the 10th power veangeance multiplied by google.
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Re: Snippets from the ETV (Eternal Torture Version Bible)
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2012, 05:52:24 PM »
Maybe, but the 7 times over was for anyone that killed the murderer, not the murderer himself. What?? :laugh:
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Re: Snippets from the ETV (Eternal Torture Version Bible)
« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2012, 08:55:45 PM »
The murderer of the murderer is a murderer :o) Murder begets more murder.
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Re: Snippets from the ETV (Eternal Torture Version Bible)
« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2012, 03:38:29 PM »
This is not done to hurt - but to cause people to think about the God they worship, who He is and what He does.

(ETV)Gen 18:18 - Abraham will become a great and powerful nation, and some of the nations on earth will be blessed because of him.

(Actual) Gen 18:18 - "Abraham will become a great and powerful nation, and all the nations on earth will be blessed because of him."
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Re: Snippets from the ETV (Eternal Torture Version Bible)
« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2012, 11:22:13 PM »
Murder begets more murder.

[ETV]:  "Murder begat more murder, and more murder begat serial murder, and serial murder begat mass murder, and mass murder begat genocide, and genocide begat the end of the human race; and most of them went directly to Hell." :doh: :footmouth: :doh:
Socrates taught Plato.  Plato taught Aristotle.  Aristotle tutored the son of Philip of Macedon.  This boy grew up to become Alexander the Great, largely by slaughtering a lot of people.  That's philosophy.

Jesus spoke the Truth.  He blessed the poor.  He healed the sick.  He even raised the dead.  He died on a cross for us, lived again, and came back long enough to tell us to love one another.  That's religion.

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Re: Snippets from the ETV (Eternal Torture Version Bible)
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2012, 09:09:46 AM »
Murder begets more murder.

[ETV]:  "Murder begat more murder, and more murder begat serial murder, and serial murder begat mass murder, and mass murder begat genocide, and genocide begat the end of the human race; and most of them went directly to Hell." :doh: :footmouth: :doh:

Oh man Laz, u r blowin my mind :o)
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Re: Snippets from the ETV (Eternal Torture Version Bible)
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2012, 03:40:15 PM »


Oh man Laz, u r blowin my mind :o)

Why, thank you!
Socrates taught Plato.  Plato taught Aristotle.  Aristotle tutored the son of Philip of Macedon.  This boy grew up to become Alexander the Great, largely by slaughtering a lot of people.  That's philosophy.

Jesus spoke the Truth.  He blessed the poor.  He healed the sick.  He even raised the dead.  He died on a cross for us, lived again, and came back long enough to tell us to love one another.  That's religion.

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« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2012, 10:39:09 PM »
This is not done to hurt - but to cause people to think about the God they worship, who He is and what He does.

Matt 18:14 (ETV)"In just the same way your[a] Father in heaven does not want any of these little ones to be lost. but knows about 95% will be."



Matt 18:14 (Actual)"In just the same way your[a] Father in heaven does not want any of these little ones to be lost."
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« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2012, 05:55:18 PM »
This is not done to hurt - but to cause people to think about the God they worship, who He is and what He does.
Job 12:7-10 (ETV)"But ask the animals, and they will teach you.    Or ask the birds of the air, and they will tell you.8 Or speak to the earth, and it will teach you. Or let the fish in the sea tell you their wisdom.9 Hardly anyone knows  that the Lord made these things.10  Some animals that live and some who breathe—  some are under God's power.



7Job 12:7-10 (Actual)"But ask the animals, and they will teach you.    Or ask the birds of the air, and they will tell you.8 Or speak to the earth, and it will teach you.    Or let the fish in the sea tell you their wisdom.9 Everyone knows that the Lord made these things.10 Every animal that lives and everyone who breathes— they are all under God's power.
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« Reply #14 on: December 05, 2012, 04:36:21 PM »

Matt 1:21 (ETV)She will have a son, and you will name him Jesus—(God with us - or God saves) because he will save a few people from their sins."

Matt 1:21 (Actual)She will have a son, and you will name him Jesus—(God with us - or God saves) because he will save his people from their sins." 
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Re: Snippets from the ETV (Eternal Torture Version Bible)
« Reply #15 on: December 06, 2012, 10:06:18 PM »

2 Sam 14:14 (ETV)We all die sometime. Water spilled on the ground can't be gathered up again. But God does not take away life. He works out ways to keep the exile away from him."


2 Sam 14:14 (actual)We all die sometime. Water spilled on the ground can't be gathered up again. But God does not take away life. He works out ways to get the exile back."
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