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Snippets from the ETV (Eternal Torture Version Bible)

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ded2daworld:
This is not done to hurt - but to cause people to think about the God they worship, who He is and what He does.

(ETV) John 1:29 - The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said,
"Look the Lamb of God, who takes away a small portion of the sin of the world"

(Actual) John 1:29 - The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said,
"Look the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world."

eaglesway:
(ETV ) He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--all things have been created through Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything. For it was the Father's good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him, and through Him to reconcile a few things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.
(Col 1:15-20)

(Actual)He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--all things have been created through Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything. For it was the Father's good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him, and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.
 

rjohnson741:
Here are two statements:

STATEMENT A---"God does {not} save all men. God saves {only} those that believe in Him before they die" Eternal torment. 

STATEMENT B---"For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men {specially of those} that believe" 1Timothy 4:10.

Obviously both statements can't be true. One statement must be false. Universalists believe STATEMENT B to be the true statement, because STATEMENT B is the inspired word of God. Which statement do you believe to be true?

ded2daworld:
 This is not done to hurt - but to cause people to think about the God they worship, who He is and what He does.

(ETV)But you must not eat from the tree that gives knowledge about good and evil. If you eat fruit from that tree, on that day you will certainly (begin to)die. After you die, I will torture you forever.
(Acual) Gen @:17 But you must not eat from the tree that gives knowledge about good and evil. If you eat fruit from that tree, on that day you will certainly (begin to) die!"

If ET were true, it would be the one of the most important doctrines of the Bible. Here is Adams' warning about the consequences if he should sin. The first sin, the first warning, if ET were true and God wanted all to be warned about the consequences, wouldn't this be the best time to say that?
Adam certainly couldn't warn any of his children without any knowledge of eternal torture and there is no record of God warning any of them in the Old testament at all.
 

ded2daworld:
In chapter 4 of Genesis, God has a second opportunity to warn about eternal torment. Cain murders his own brother Abel.
Does God say anything about eternal torment for it? NO
God tells Cain that because of the murder he is cursed and will be a restless wanderer on the earth. (Cain is already going to eventually die since he is descendant of Adam) What?? What kind of eternal torture is that? God never even mentioned it.
Even with being under a curse to be a wanderer, Cain says his punishment is greater than he can bear!!
Cain is afraid someone will kill him. The Lord says if anyone does, he will suffer vengeance 7 times over. What??
This was even before "a life for a life" for how could vengeance applied to anyone killing Cain be the penalty of being killed themselves 7 TIMES!!


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