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Jerm

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Re: The Deadly Error of the Universalist
« Reply #25 on: February 21, 2009, 02:07:28 AM »
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Re: The Deadly Error of the Universalist
« Reply #26 on: February 21, 2009, 06:50:42 AM »
why was paul c. kicked off this forum? Since you were talking and guessing about the teachings on his website, why not take advantage of him being available to answer your questions or explain what he teaches? aren't you doing the same thing the sanhedrin did with Peter and the apostles? I never saw in the Bible where Paul or any of the apostles were afraid to speak to anyone or hear what they had to say. But others were threatened by what the apostles preached and didn't want to hear them. i suppose that's why they killed them.

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Re: The Deadly Error of the Universalist
« Reply #27 on: February 21, 2009, 07:01:12 AM »
Some posts have been removed that were deemed inappropriate.  Personal attacks are not allowed on TM.  Based on history of past food fights, what we knew already and then began to find out first-hand right off the bat (post removed), it was the discretion of the administrator, supported by the mods, that this would be an unfruitful, unnecessary bout of futility.  Perhaps Martin or one of the other mods will address this as well.  As far as the sanhedrin?  This is a site that has an owner with certain expectations and requests, including rules by which the forum is run.  James.
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Re: The Deadly Error of the Universalist
« Reply #28 on: February 21, 2009, 07:39:15 AM »
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Re: The Deadly Error of the Universalist
« Reply #29 on: February 23, 2009, 06:58:28 AM »
Paul c. has now posted a response to many of you on his website.  he was barred from answering you here, so you can see his answers to you there. 

http://www.thepathoftruth.com/blogwars/tentmaker.htm

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Re: The Deadly Error of the Universalist
« Reply #30 on: February 23, 2009, 12:38:30 PM »
Please be assured, Witness, that Tentmaker Ministries is firmly rooted in the work of the Cross.  Without the Cross, the Blood, His resurrection, and His Lordship there is nothing for anyone at any time except for misery.  It was a no-brainer that if someone's going to be attacking ministries that are centered firmly on the Cross of Christ, such as Gary Amirault's and the ministry of Charles and Paula Slagle, then there wasn't really anything fruitful that could come out of someone like that joining Gary's forum.  Gary has forbidden debates from occuring here. 

And we're not doing what the Sanhredrin did because we've forbidden absolutely no one from preaching Christ and Him crucified, His Blood being the removal of all sin, and Christ's soon coming to bring about the New Earth where righteousness will dwell in the heavens.  No one has been forbidden from following their conscience in matters of practical ministry as to whether or not they water baptize or don't, as to whether they teach in the malls and in the downtown areas of their cities, etc. 

I'm personally in favor of all Civil Disobedience that's specifically related to getting the Gospel out and I frequently recommend Henry David Thoreau's brief essay on Civil Disobedience as required reading.  But as far as people's conduct on the Tentmaker Forum, that is something that Gary has requested strictness about, and I'm simply abiding by his wishes that UR discussion be promoted, but no tit-for-tat silliness be allowed here that distracts from the mission of this forum of seeking and saving the lost, destroying the works of the devil, and discipling the nations where the UR message of Christ's Blood is concerned -- including Christians that are being delivered from the Eternal Hell heresy.

The thread was allowed that mentioned the attacks on Gary and Charlie because it was interesting that there are Christian Universalists out there that would try to form divisions among UR folks that are genuinely spending their lives to get the Gospel out.  But the thread would not have been allowed to have turned into a linching of Paul Cohen and nobody around here would have a heart to do that anyway.  Hence my comment in calling the criticisms "cheese" rather than going into a Scriptural issue of what the Bible actually calls that kind of thing. 

If I wanted to, I could probably come up with a couple of webpages for each of several UR ministries that come to mind and go into this long-winded AntiChrist Hank Hannegraff type of behaviour with all of the slanders that necessarily accompany opening your mouth against a brother for whom Christ's Blood was shed.  But instead, I devote my time to praying for all of the UR ministries that I personally have very major issues with.  I'd have to trod under foot the Blood of the Covenant to say anything against my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ that have embraced Jesus' Lordship and have renounced the works of the devil.  And I refuse to do it. 

Apart from what I'd have to do where the Blood is concerned in going after fellow brothers and sisters in Christ, it's honestly just promotions of the works of those that I don't wish to promote, so you never find that kind of thing on any of my websites.  It's spending website space to say anything about another ministry, plain and simple.  It's free promotion of them, which I personally find objectionable to ever dignify certain things that I've personally been aware of that are going on in the UR community.  But as far as Gary and Michelle Amirault and Charles and Paula Slagle, they're completely innocent of the blood of all men.  And though I can't keep folks from talking trash about them on other websites, I definitely can do something about that nonsense either being spread to this forum or to my forum.

It's as simple as that.  If Paul Cohen sincerely wants to discuss the Blood of Christ in a light where he's not going after other UR ministries and grieving the Holy Spirit, then let him talk to the Holy Spirit about it and about his behaviour and the Holy Spirit will let me know to lift the ban when all such foolishness has ceased.  In the meantime, Diotrephes can continue to do what he's doing elsewhere.  I honestly need folks on the Tentmaker Forum that'll make much of the Blood of Christ and the Scriptural calls to repentance given in Acts 17 and Acts 20.  But we'll continue with what we've got if it's a matter of having folks that are more doctrinally correct but deficient in love, or if it's a matter of having folks that don't have all of their doctrines worked out but love Jesus with all of their hearts and are more loving towards people.  I'll lift the ban ASAP after the Holy Spirit says that Paul Cohen has put away what Isaiah 58 forbids.  God will bring what we need here at Tentmaker Ministries, in terms of [additional] folks that hang on to the basics, in His own timing.  The Blood is drawing them, according to Ephesians 2:13 and I have zero doubts about that. :cloud9:

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Re: The Deadly Error of the Universalist
« Reply #31 on: February 23, 2009, 04:46:10 PM »
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The whole Bible refutes your inane, stupor-inducing philosophy, which is lawlessness incarnate. God has not led you into your present confusion and denial of Reality. You ask if we silenced ourselves or whether we were silenced. Does the fact that we were silenced not tell you the whole story?:

Hi Paul


Mt 6:25 . Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?


I welcome your thoughts on my doctrine, which, really isn't my doctrine so much as just a belief in the Love of God which is an action that causes all to understand.

Please continue to post this thread on your site because what you do not seem to realize is that Gods love is stronger than your accusations (or anyones).   It is stronger than your logic and God works all things for the sake of his delight.   If you have decided what I do concerning the gospel and made a judgment of that, wonderful, you have excersized your right to an opinion.

I do not need to argue with you, only point out that Jesus Christ is the savior of the world and he is very Good at it.  So good that he will be 100% successful.   Your objections will one day be meaningless since that power trumps anything any of us might think.

A man bound by desire can see only that which he can hold in his hands.


Oh, I did want to mention one other thing.  I see you want to use your circumstances as evidence for the truth of what you teach.   So according to your reason, then, universalism has been banned from being discussed on another internet site,  so, I guess that tells the whole story?


Take care brother.




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Re: The Deadly Error of the Universalist
« Reply #32 on: February 23, 2009, 05:46:54 PM »
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Paul Hazelwood, you say that Jesus Christ being Savior of all mankind is good enough for everyone, no need to contend for the faith.


One other thing Paul.  I never said the words I highlighted in red above.  That is your summary of what I have said.   Please edit your website accordingly I would appreciate it.


How is it not contending for the faith when I share that faith openly on the internet using my real name and not some alias?   Is it because I do it differently than you?

I continue to contend the faith I believe in spite of your accusations,  how is that not contending for the faith?


martincisneros

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Re: The Deadly Error of the Universalist
« Reply #33 on: February 23, 2009, 05:51:13 PM »
What's amazingly odd is that the Holy Spirit will not allow me to go to that other website at all.  I have no idea what it says beyond the quotations that have been made on this thread.  Must be pretty bad.  All we can do is fast and pray for them.  My only question of them is whether or not they feel confident enough in what they're doing to assert with myself and St. Paul what St. Paul asserted in 1Corinthians 4:16 and 1Corinthians 11:1.  If they can boldly say that with the confidence that I'd say it, then I wholeheartedly welcome all of you to go over to that website if any of you aren't particularly restrained by the Holy Spirit from doing so and see what you can do to help that ministry out. 

Every ministry like theirs is going to have needs.  Open your hearts and open your wallets to them and help them with getting the Gospel out, if they're genuinely doing that.  Otherwise, I'm closing the thread 'cause it's genuinely time to move on to other matters.  If they have an address handy on their website, then keep it handy as you're getting your tax returns and do all that the Holy Spirit tells you to do.  If the Holy Spirit tells you nothing in particular about them, then still do all you can for them with your fasting and praying for them.

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Re: The Deadly Error of the Universalist
« Reply #34 on: February 24, 2009, 12:28:48 PM »
What's amazingly odd is that the Holy Spirit will not allow me to go to that other website at all.  I have no idea what it says beyond the quotations that have been made on this thread.  Must be pretty bad.  All we can do is fast and pray for them.  My only question of them is whether or not they feel confident enough in what they're doing to assert with myself and St. Paul what St. Paul asserted in 1Corinthians 4:16 and 1Corinthians 11:1.  If they can boldly say that with the confidence that I'd say it, then I wholeheartedly welcome all of you to go over to that website if any of you aren't particularly restrained by the Holy Spirit from doing so and see what you can do to help that ministry out. 

Every ministry like theirs is going to have needs.  Open your hearts and open your wallets to them and help them with getting the Gospel out, if they're genuinely doing that.  Otherwise, I'm closing the thread 'cause it's genuinely time to move on to other matters.  If they have an address handy on their website, then keep it handy as you're getting your tax returns and do all that the Holy Spirit tells you to do.  If the Holy Spirit tells you nothing in particular about them, then still do all you can for them with your fasting and praying for them.

Hi Martin,

Just read your two posts and wanted to say that I am 100% behind what you've written there. Personally I am not really for banning people but I think there was no real fruit coming from this discussion if one considers the circumstances.

At first I planned to go to their website again today, but just like you I felt the Holy Spirit restraining me from doing so. I also like your call to fasting and prayer, as this is the only thing I know one can do in such circumstances. One of my personal goals in my current walk is to transform all my criticism into intercession and not to speak up unless the Holy Spirit tells me so.

Blessings,

Florian
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Re: The Deadly Error of the Universalist
« Reply #35 on: February 25, 2009, 07:18:56 AM »
Witness, as you're now viewing this topic, please see my new questions to you in "Introducing Myself"..thanks, James.