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Re: Reasons for believing in Universal Salvation through Jesus Christ
« Reply #25 on: November 14, 2009, 10:11:11 PM »
there is no death, I don't believe that. God wasn't created us for nothing.

Come on people, God is not like Human, his way and his thinking is differant than our way and thinking and he more love and powerful than us, wasn't created death because Jesus defeated DEATH, so how can anyone die if Jesus defeat it?!

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Re: Reasons for believing in Universal Salvation through Jesus Christ
« Reply #26 on: November 14, 2009, 10:26:40 PM »
ID,

Some people just believe Jesus was unable to complete the task Father has given Him..
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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« Reply #27 on: November 15, 2009, 12:14:21 AM »

Yes, there is death, including the death of everything that's not of God.  Our works not of Him burned, the flesh destroyed so the spirit will be saved (I Cor. 5:5)

If you serve Buddha and worship Satan, then #1, your heart's not yet right, (but that doesn't really matter) you don't love the Father or His Son, and those things will be corrected, "as by fire".  You will stand before Him and suffer shame and loss (thank God that does not apply to me).  You will go through a process of discipline that will be painful, it will test and purge you until you reach the place of falling at His feet and confessing Him as Lord. (aaahhhh  torture me until I love you)

The scripture of "blashemy won't be forgiven..." is correctly translated age, not life.  OK in this age or the next!!  Same meaning!!!!

There's much to learn, and I believe these are but a few of the things to be searched out, to have revealed to us.  (Prov. 25:2).  Huh?
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So what your telling me is that this wonderful God of love will torture us until we fall down in defeat and say, "Jesus is Lord". Then we will love Him?  Yeah right- I really would prefer that to free will (not).   I think this means, "see ya later guys"  I wish you all the best.  Someone tell me how to exit this site permanently.  P.S.  I don't believe in Buddha or have any Idols BTW.  I believe in Jehovah of armies and the Word, His Son Jesus and the Ruach Ha KoDesh - The Holy Spirit - and I believe that Jesus (Yahshua) died for us all and took all our sin to the grave and was resurrected after 3 days and now sits at the right hand of the Father.  I think all men will get the chance to know Him and make the CHOICE to receive Him because He calls us all.

Adam, Eve, Satan and a bunch of demons proved that perfect beings can refuse to love and obey God.  They came into existence as PERFECT beings.  There is no imperfection in Yah.  He shows us the different options in behavior by having the animals teach us about instinct.  Salmon swim upstream to their birthplace to spawn, not because they want to - They are compelled.  I am not a salmon.  Hopefully none of you are either.

I never believed in HellFIRE , Eternal Torment and think this doctrine is from Satan himself - the Father of the lie.  I believe that Universalism, from this brief interlude is pressing beyond the Word of God and so far you have failed to answer the questions that were asked.  The sin against the Holy Spirit question was ignored and or filibustered like the rest of my questions.  It has been kind of like, "what do you think about that tree?" and the answer I get from y'all is "the grass is brown".  This reminds me of the time I tried to read the Koran, the Book of Mormon and a course in miracles - it was jibberish.  Thank you for your time...I don't want to waste anymore of yours or mine. After all "it's all good" so why waste time talking about it all?  May God bless you.  I will have to ask Him to forgive my obvious case of "Are you kidding"?  Lydiah

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Re: Reasons for believing in Universal Salvation through Jesus Christ
« Reply #28 on: November 15, 2009, 01:57:03 AM »
What did Yahweh tell them?  If you eat from the tree (He said not to) you will positively die...Period.  He never said they would burn in Hellfire, but they would cease to exist.

 :cloud9: If this is the concept of annihilation you are believing in here, that is part of the reason, you are having trouble believing and understanding UR. The foundation is off, so it follows that, that which is built upon it, is also off.

No one just "ceases to exist" in God's economy. Moses and Elijah were seen by the disciples, symbolizing among other things, the TWO ways we can meet the Lord, ie. one being caught up alive while still in the body, and one thru literal dying. Blessings....
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Re: Reasons for believing in Universal Salvation through Jesus Christ
« Reply #29 on: November 15, 2009, 02:44:40 AM »
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Moses and Elijah were seen by the disciples, symbolizing among other things, the TWO ways we can meet the Lord, ie. one being caught up alive while still in the body, and one thru literal dying. Blessings....

wow!

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Re: Reasons for believing in Universal Salvation through Jesus Christ
« Reply #30 on: November 15, 2009, 03:02:47 AM »
jabcat said;
Yes, there is death, including the death of everything that's not of God.  Our works not of Him burned, the flesh destroyed so the spirit will be saved (I Cor. 5:5)

If you serve Buddha and worship Satan, then #1, your heart's not yet right, (but that doesn't really matter) you don't love the Father or His Son, and those things will be corrected, "as by fire".  You will stand before Him and suffer shame and loss (thank God that does not apply to me).  You will go through a process of discipline that will be painful, it will test and purge you until you reach the place of falling at His feet and confessing Him as Lord. (aaahhhh  torture me until I love you)

The scripture of "blashemy won't be forgiven..." is correctly translated age, not life.  OK in this age or the next!!  Same meaning!!!!

There's much to learn, and I believe these are but a few of the things to be searched out, to have revealed to us.  (Prov. 25:2).  [/quote]

Huh?

So what your telling me is that this wonderful God of love will torture us until we fall down in defeat and say, "Jesus is Lord". Then we will love Him?  Yeah right- I really would prefer that to free will (not).   I think this means, "see ya later guys"  I wish you all the best.  Someone tell me how to exit this site permanently.  P.S.  I don't believe in Buddha or have any Idols BTW.  I believe in Jehovah of armies and the Word, His Son Jesus and the Ruach Ha KoDesh - The Holy Spirit - and I believe that Jesus (Yahshua) died for us all and took all our sin to the grave and was resurrected after 3 days and now sits at the right hand of the Father.  I think all men will get the chance to know Him and make the CHOICE to receive Him because He calls us all.

Adam, Eve, Satan and a bunch of demons proved that perfect beings can refuse to love and obey God.  They came into existence as PERFECT beings.  There is no imperfection in Yah.  He shows us the different options in behavior by having the animals teach us about instinct.  Salmon swim upstream to their birthplace to spawn, not because they want to - They are compelled.  I am not a salmon.  Hopefully none of you are either.

I never believed in HellFIRE , Eternal Torment and think this doctrine is from Satan himself - the Father of the lie.  I believe that Universalism, from this brief interlude is pressing beyond the Word of God and so far you have failed to answer the questions that were asked.  The sin against the Holy Spirit question was ignored and or filibustered like the rest of my questions.  It has been kind of like, "what do you think about that tree?" and the answer I get from y'all is "the grass is brown".  This reminds me of the time I tried to read the Koran, the Book of Mormon and a course in miracles - it was jibberish.  Thank you for your time...I don't want to waste anymore of yours or mine. After all "it's all good" so why waste time talking about it all?  May God bless you.  I will have to ask Him to forgive my obvious case of "Are you kidding"?  Lydiah

But surely, God wasn't created people for nothing, did the prophet Isaish mentrion anything about death? No he said all nation will come to him.

(ID, I accidentally got into your post, trying to do something with mine right below it....my bad, content is still there.  Thanks bro.)
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Re: Reasons for believing in Universal Salvation through Jesus Christ
« Reply #31 on: November 15, 2009, 03:18:49 AM »
jabcat said;
Yes, there is death, including the death of everything that's not of God.  Our works not of Him burned, the flesh destroyed so the spirit will be saved (I Cor. 5:5)

If you serve Buddha and worship Satan, then #1, your heart's not yet right,  [LYDIA INSERTED (but that doesn't really matter)] you don't love the Father or His Son, and those things will be corrected, "as by fire".  You will stand before Him and suffer shame and loss.   [LYDIA INSERTED   (thank God that does not apply to me).]  You will go through a process of discipline that will be painful, it will test and purge you until you reach the place of falling at His feet and confessing Him as Lord.   [LYDIA INSERTED   (aaahhhh  torture me until I love you)]

The scripture of "blashemy won't be forgiven..." is correctly translated age, not life.   [LYDIA INSERTED OK in this age or the next!!  Same meaning!!!!]

There's much to learn, and I believe these are but a few of the things to be searched out, to have revealed to us.  (Prov. 25:2).  [/quote]

[LYDIA INSERTED Huh?]

So what your telling me is that this wonderful God of love will torture us until we fall down in defeat and say, "Jesus is Lord". Then we will love Him?  Yeah right- I really would prefer that to free will (not).   I think this means, "see ya later guys"  I wish you all the best.  Someone tell me how to exit this site permanently.  P.S.  I don't believe in Buddha or have any Idols BTW.  I believe in Jehovah of armies and the Word, His Son Jesus and the Ruach Ha KoDesh - The Holy Spirit - and I believe that Jesus (Yahshua) died for us all and took all our sin to the grave and was resurrected after 3 days and now sits at the right hand of the Father.  I think all men will get the chance to know Him and make the CHOICE to receive Him because He calls us all.

Adam, Eve, Satan and a bunch of demons proved that perfect beings can refuse to love and obey God.  They came into existence as PERFECT beings.  There is no imperfection in Yah.  He shows us the different options in behavior by having the animals teach us about instinct.  Salmon swim upstream to their birthplace to spawn, not because they want to - They are compelled.  I am not a salmon.  Hopefully none of you are either.

I never believed in HellFIRE , Eternal Torment and think this doctrine is from Satan himself - the Father of the lie.  I believe that Universalism, from this brief interlude is pressing beyond the Word of God and so far you have failed to answer the questions that were asked.  The sin against the Holy Spirit question was ignored and or filibustered like the rest of my questions.  It has been kind of like, "what do you think about that tree?" and the answer I get from y'all is "the grass is brown".  This reminds me of the time I tried to read the Koran, the Book of Mormon and a course in miracles - it was jibberish.  Thank you for your time...I don't want to waste anymore of yours or mine. After all "it's all good" so why waste time talking about it all?  May God bless you.  I will have to ask Him to forgive my obvious case of "Are you kidding"?  Lydiah

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Re: Reasons for believing in Universal Salvation through Jesus Christ
« Reply #32 on: November 15, 2009, 03:32:40 AM »
lol that okay jabcat, no one perfect

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Re: Reasons for believing in Universal Salvation through Jesus Christ
« Reply #33 on: November 15, 2009, 10:15:13 AM »
Adam, Eve, Satan and a bunch of demons proved that perfect beings can refuse to love and obey God.  They came into existence as PERFECT beings.
Ha! I would like to see a few verses that back up that claim...
Small hint. Pick up a dictionary and look up the meaning of "perfect"

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I believe that Universalism, from this brief interlude is pressing beyond the Word of God and so far you have failed to answer the questions that were asked.
Or you failed to read the answers given...

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The sin against the Holy Spirit question was ignored and or filibustered like the rest of my questions.
For those who care reading before judging
http://www.hisremnant.org/eby/articles/savior/unpardonable.html
http://richardwaynegarganta.com/Bible%20Threatenings%20Explained.htm

You claim you are a former JW. It doesn't really sound like you are a former one. Put a few plugs in your ears. Ring some doorbells. Push your story without daring to answer questions. Then run of again thinking you saved someone but actually you pushed away people away from God. "filibustered" comedian.
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
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Re: Reasons for believing in Universal Salvation through Jesus Christ
« Reply #34 on: November 15, 2009, 10:17:42 AM »
lol that okay jabcat, no one perfect
I will have you eat those words ID  :footmouth:
There are (at least) three.
 :omg: is one of them.

Just making a little fun with you ID  :Peace2:
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Reasons for believing in Universal Salvation through Jesus Christ
« Reply #35 on: November 15, 2009, 08:28:22 PM »

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It just seems that throughout the Word, we are told that God will save us all IF we choose to serve Him and accept His Son.


Hi Lydiah,

If it is up to us to choose, serve, and accept Christ in order to gain salvation, then salvation would not be of grace but our works. Salvation would depend on us, not Christ.  Salvation would be in our hands, not Christ's, if the above were true.


CHB

It sounds good but it never answers what about the rest of God's word that tells us that some choose not to be saved?  Answer that question so I can understand.  Did God just have the Spirit have men right down all that to confuse us??  

Lydiah, sorry I am late with answering this post. Where does it say that some choose not to be saved?  I do not see this in scripture.

Every thing is written down the way God wanted it to be written, else he would change it.

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Re: Reasons for believing in Universal Salvation through Jesus Christ
« Reply #36 on: November 18, 2009, 09:22:48 PM »
lol that okay jabcat, no one perfect
I will have you eat those words ID  :footmouth:
There are (at least) three.
 :omg: is one of them.

Just making a little fun with you ID  :Peace2:
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just kidding too!

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Re: Reasons for believing in Universal Salvation through Jesus Christ
« Reply #37 on: January 11, 2010, 08:44:07 PM »
For me it was discovering the the true Greek and Hebrew behind the Bible.  Also, the logic of hell-raisers (so to speak) never really added up.  If God is love, and God's love never fails, how come it failed for billions of hell-bound humans?  If God's mercy never ceases, how come it ceased for billions of hell-bound humans?  If God's will never fails then how come it failed for billions of hell-bound sinners.  Calvinists view God as a sadistic dictator who sends billions of people to hell who never had a chance at God's mercy and love.  Arminians view God as a feeble God who "did the best he could" but ultimately our free will can override God's will that all men will be saved.

Univeralists view God as a loving Father who will correct His children's poor behavior but ultimately will bring us all to Him.  We view God as victorious over sin and death.  God's Will will prevail.  Christ's sacrifice covers all.  God's love and mercy are forever.  We have free will but we can't override God's Will.  One day "every knee will bend and every tongue will confess" Jesus Christ as the victorious Savior.

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« Reply #38 on: January 11, 2010, 08:52:10 PM »
one good reason to believe is because God has dragged me dragging and kicking into belief.
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Re: Reasons for believing in Universal Salvation through Jesus Christ
« Reply #39 on: January 15, 2010, 09:21:20 PM »
I believe in the salvation of all because the scriptures plainly teach it, and because the gospel is the revelation of the character of God.

"If I be lifted up I will draw all men unto me"

1Co 15:22  For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.

1Jn 2:1-2  My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous; and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.

Col 1:19-20  For it was the Father's good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him, and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.

Eph 1:9-10  He made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His kind intention which He purposed in Him  with a view to an administration suitable to the fullness of the times, that is, the summing up of all things in Christ, things in the heavens and things on the earth.

1Co 15:28  When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all in all.

Rom 11:32-36  For God has shut up all in disobedience so that He may show mercy to all. Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and unfathomable His ways! For WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD, OR WHO BECAME HIS COUNSELOR? Or WHO HAS FIRST GIVEN TO HIM THAT IT MIGHT BE PAID BACK TO HIM AGAIN?  For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. To Him be the glory forever. Amen.

Heb 1:1-3  God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world. And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power.
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Re: Reasons for believing in Universal Salvation through Jesus Christ
« Reply #40 on: November 17, 2010, 01:35:19 AM »
God can only be Perfect, otherwise He Himself would not endure... Therefor the 'end' result (of this unavoidable journey/lesson) can only be the best one possible.
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Re: Reasons for believing in Universal Salvation through Jesus Christ
« Reply #41 on: November 17, 2010, 03:19:58 AM »
 :cloud9: Good thought  :thumbsup:
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« Reply #42 on: December 23, 2010, 09:13:58 PM »
Has there ever been here a discussion or attempt to make a list of all the reasons for believing in Universal Salvation through Jesus Christ? If not, let's start one right here. Then I'll collect all the reasons and turn it into an article. And if one already exists, someone please direct me to it. Thanks, Gary Amirault.

I'll start the list. Let's keep the answers pithy, short, clear and to the point.

Love Never Fails. 1 Cor. 13:8

Nothing is impossible with God. Mat. 19:26

God commands us to pray for all people. Why command Christians to pray for people if He plans to send them to the eternal incinerator? 1 Tim. 2:1-6

Jesus came to save the world. If He misses a single soul, He can't be the "savior of the world." 1 John 4:14 John 12:32 John 4:42

Is it "just" to consign someone to eternal punishment for finite crimes or for simply being born into a world of sin? No one was ever asked whether they wanted to be born into a world of sin and death from which very few will ever escape according to traditional Christianity.

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As I dig deeper in the scriptural texts in the original Greek, I see hell as an "era of correction" for those in this life as reject Christ as Lord, and it was poorly translated in the Latin... To me this indicates that perhaps one may come to Christ only after they have experienced hell, and cried out in recognizing Jesus as Lord.
However we are to be much more concerned with preaching Christ to others prior to the grave, using our lives to do so. This is what we are called to do in the great commission - as we live and breath.
God wants us to be apart of the salvation process; we really have no need to know what will happen beyond the grave for a non believer - as this is more of God's concern than ours.
I personally believe He does not wish to make this concept common knowledge; or it would have been so...
Yet I will not deny the possibility of salvation beyond the grave (despite traditional orthodoxy) - but again this is really not to be our focus.

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Re: Reasons for believing in Universal Salvation through Jesus Christ
« Reply #43 on: December 23, 2010, 10:18:31 PM »
As I dig deeper in the scriptural texts in the original Greek, I see hell as an "era of correction" for those in this life as reject Christ as Lord, and it was poorly translated in the Latin... To me this indicates that perhaps one may come to Christ only after they have experienced hell, and cried out in recognizing Jesus as Lord.
However we are to be much more concerned with preaching Christ to others prior to the grave, using our lives to do so. This is what we are called to do in the great commission - as we live and breath.
God wants us to be apart of the salvation process; we really have no need to know what will happen beyond the grave for a non believer - as this is more of God's concern than ours.
I personally believe He does not wish to make this concept common knowledge; or it would have been so...
Yet I will not deny the possibility of salvation beyond the grave (despite traditional orthodoxy) - but again this is really not to be our focus.

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Very nice, sensible post.   :thumbsup:
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Re: Reasons for believing in Universal Salvation through Jesus Christ
« Reply #44 on: December 24, 2010, 06:07:34 PM »
As I dig deeper in the scriptural texts in the original Greek, I see hell as an "era of correction" for those in this life as reject Christ as Lord, and it was poorly translated in the Latin... To me this indicates that perhaps one may come to Christ only after they have experienced hell, and cried out in recognizing Jesus as Lord.
However we are to be much more concerned with preaching Christ to others prior to the grave, using our lives to do so. This is what we are called to do in the great commission - as we live and breath.
God wants us to be apart of the salvation process; we really have no need to know what will happen beyond the grave for a non believer - as this is more of God's concern than ours.
I personally believe He does not wish to make this concept common knowledge; or it would have been so...
Yet I will not deny the possibility of salvation beyond the grave (despite traditional orthodoxy) - but again this is really not to be our focus.

Chaplain Dell

Very nice, sensible post.   :thumbsup:


I really like "era of correction".... gonna look into that further. I agree that we are, as we live and breathe, to be pre-eminently concerned with reconciling men unto God. As to what is or is not to be common knowledge and a part of our proclamation and focus......

I respectfully disagree.

The gospel we proclaim is to include the reconciliation of all things, "the mystery of the gospel"- even as Paul and Peter proclaimed it everywhere. This victorious gospel was revealed from the beginning through angels unto shepherds as glad tidings of great joy..... good will to all people.

Paul declares, "In all wisdom and insight He made known unto us the mystery of His will......the summing up of all things in Christ, whether in earth or in heaven"(Eph 1).

One of the greatest veils the enemy has held in relation to our gospel and the evangelism of the world is the deception of eternal torment- a lie that terribly distorts the "light of the gospel of the glory of God in the face of Christ who is the image of God"(2 Cor 5). The only antidote to that lie is the truth of the "restitution of all things". The "word of reconciliation"(2 Cor 5:18,19) is the "good news"(euaggelos- gospel) that beautiful feet are to carry upon the mountain tops- a message that resonates within the consciousness of men(If I be lifted up I will draw all men unto me). We could also say, "If God desired this concept to be common knowledge, he would have made it so", concerning the gospel in general, which is shrouded in mystery throughout most of the world and seen only through the distorted lens of Westernized Christian religion. We have been laboring for decades under the delusion that we "have mostly got it". In truth, we are they of whom Paul spoke when he said, in the last days perilous times will come.... evil men and seducers will wax worse and worse, deceived and being deceived.... teaching godliness as a means of gain", etc., etc.

I believe the greatest move of God is yet to come, and it will include the restoration of the gospel of Jesus Christ as it was preached by the apostles. The faith, "once and for all" delivered to the saints by the Lord Jesus, "whom the heavens must receive until the period of the restoration of all things which God spoke from the mouth of His holy prophets since the world began"(Acts 3:19).

And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel, For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.
(Eph 6:19-20)

Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
(Col 1:25-27)

Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
(Rom 16:25-26)

Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good will which he hath purposed in himself: That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
(Eph 1:9-11)

For the creature(creation) was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, Because the creature(creation) itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.......And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
(Rom 8:20-29)


This gospel of universal reconciliation through the cross of Christ will bring those who proclaim it openly even greater persecution, from Pharisaical Christians declaring us as a "cult"- the "sect of the universal reconciliationists"- and from the world, for we are still proclaiming that "Every knee shall bow and every tongue confess" that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. This reconciliation is accomplished "through the blood of His cross", and tho every adversary will be subjected and reconciled- in the meantime "we are all as sheep led to slaughter", filling up in our bodies the that which lacks in the sufferings of Jesus Christ, for, "If we suffer with Him we shall also reign with Him". Reigning with Him means participating in the restoration of all things spoken of by all the prophets since the world began-"He who overcomes will inherit all things and sit with me on my throne".

And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
(Eph 2:6-8)

GLORY!




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Re: Reasons for believing in Universal Salvation through Jesus Christ
« Reply #45 on: March 02, 2011, 05:27:53 PM »
1 Timothy 2 (Amplified Bible)


    1 FIRST OF all, then, I admonish and urge that petitions, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be offered on behalf of all men,

    2 For kings and all who are in positions of authority or high responsibility, that [outwardly] we may pass a quiet and undisturbed life [and inwardly] a peaceable one in all godliness and reverence and seriousness in every way.

    3 For such [praying] is good and right, and [it is] pleasing and acceptable to God our Savior,

    4 Who wishes all men to be saved and [increasingly] to perceive and recognize and discern and know precisely and correctly the [divine] Truth.

    5 For there [is only] one God, and [only] one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,

    6 Who gave Himself as a ransom for all [people, a fact that was] attested to at the right and proper time.

You will have a hard time convincing God that Jesus is the mediator between him and his people. God used the prophets to speak for him, too. Jesus was the first sinless chosen one of God's so he could have his body in complete obedience to his light power so he could speak through Jesus. God needs a physical body to reveal his knowledge and once the body dies, then he remains to be God. 

John 6
63: It is the spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no avail; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.

Psalm 27
0: A Psalm of David.
1: The LORD is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? The LORD is the stronghold of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

Deuteronomy 6
4: "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD;
5: and you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might.

Isaiah 40
28: Have you not known? Have you not heard? The LORD is the everlasting God, the Creator of the ends of the earth. He does not faint or grow weary, his understanding is unsearchable.

Isaiah 41
13: For I, the LORD your God, hold your right hand; it is I who say to you, "Fear not, I will help you."
14: Fear not, you worm Jacob, you men of Israel! I will help you, says the LORD; your Redeemer is the Holy One of Israel.

Isaiah 43
1: But now thus says the LORD, he who created you, O Jacob, he who formed you, O Israel: "Fear not, for I have redeemed you; I have called you by name, you are mine.
2: When you pass through the waters I will be with you; and through the rivers, they shall not overwhelm you; when you walk through fire you shall not be burned, and the flame shall not consume you.
3: For I am the LORD your God, the Holy One of Israel, your Savior. I give Egypt as your ransom, Ethiopia and Seba in exchange for you.
14: Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel: "For your sake I will send to Babylon and break down all the bars, and the shouting of the Chalde'ans will be turned to lamentations.
15: I am the LORD, your Holy One, the Creator of Israel, your King."

Isaiah 44
6: Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: "I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.
24: Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, who formed you from the womb: "I am the LORD, who made all things, who stretched out the heavens alone, who spread out the earth -- Who was with me? --

Isaiah 45
5: I am the LORD, and there is no other, besides me there is no God; I gird you, though you do not know me,
6: that men may know, from the rising of the sun and from the west, that there is none besides me; I am the LORD, and there is no other.
7: I form light and create darkness, I make weal and create woe, I am the LORD, who do all these things.

Zechariah 14
9: And the LORD will become king over all the earth; on that day the LORD will be one and his name one.

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Re: Reasons for believing in Universal Salvation through Jesus Christ
« Reply #46 on: March 03, 2011, 05:18:53 PM »
1 Timothy 2 (Amplified Bible)


    1 FIRST OF all, then, I admonish and urge that petitions, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be offered on behalf of all men,

    2 For kings and all who are in positions of authority or high responsibility, that [outwardly] we may pass a quiet and undisturbed life [and inwardly] a peaceable one in all godliness and reverence and seriousness in every way.

    3 For such [praying] is good and right, and [it is] pleasing and acceptable to God our Savior,

    4 Who wishes all men to be saved and [increasingly] to perceive and recognize and discern and know precisely and correctly the [divine] Truth.

    5 For there [is only] one God, and [only] one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,

    6 Who gave Himself as a ransom for all [people, a fact that was] attested to at the right and proper time.

You will have a hard time convincing God that Jesus is the mediator between him and his people. God used the prophets to speak for him, too. Jesus was the first sinless chosen one of God's so he could have his body in complete obedience to his light power so he could speak through Jesus. God needs a physical body to reveal his knowledge and once the body dies, then he remains to be God. 

John 6
63: It is the spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no avail; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.

Psalm 27
0: A Psalm of David.
1: The LORD is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? The LORD is the stronghold of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

Deuteronomy 6
4: "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD;
5: and you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might.

Isaiah 40
28: Have you not known? Have you not heard? The LORD is the everlasting God, the Creator of the ends of the earth. He does not faint or grow weary, his understanding is unsearchable.

Isaiah 41
13: For I, the LORD your God, hold your right hand; it is I who say to you, "Fear not, I will help you."
14: Fear not, you worm Jacob, you men of Israel! I will help you, says the LORD; your Redeemer is the Holy One of Israel.

Isaiah 43
1: But now thus says the LORD, he who created you, O Jacob, he who formed you, O Israel: "Fear not, for I have redeemed you; I have called you by name, you are mine.
2: When you pass through the waters I will be with you; and through the rivers, they shall not overwhelm you; when you walk through fire you shall not be burned, and the flame shall not consume you.
3: For I am the LORD your God, the Holy One of Israel, your Savior. I give Egypt as your ransom, Ethiopia and Seba in exchange for you.
14: Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel: "For your sake I will send to Babylon and break down all the bars, and the shouting of the Chalde'ans will be turned to lamentations.
15: I am the LORD, your Holy One, the Creator of Israel, your King."

Isaiah 44
6: Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: "I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.
24: Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, who formed you from the womb: "I am the LORD, who made all things, who stretched out the heavens alone, who spread out the earth -- Who was with me? --

Isaiah 45
5: I am the LORD, and there is no other, besides me there is no God; I gird you, though you do not know me,
6: that men may know, from the rising of the sun and from the west, that there is none besides me; I am the LORD, and there is no other.
7: I form light and create darkness, I make weal and create woe, I am the LORD, who do all these things.

Zechariah 14
9: And the LORD will become king over all the earth; on that day the LORD will be one and his name one.


Whats your point? I love all these verses, but are you saying that they somehow invalidate the verses in Timothy? :o)   
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Re: Reasons for believing in Universal Salvation through Jesus Christ
« Reply #47 on: April 14, 2011, 10:11:16 AM »
I am an editor and publisher of Holocaust poetry who grew up in an evangelical Christian family. After 53 years of study and research, I think the best reason to believe in Universal Salvation, if there is any truth in the Bible, is that "hell" was never mentioned in the Old Testament, and yet there is no verse in the New Testament in which the creation of "hell" was ever announced. You can read my findings and conclusions at:

http://www.thehypertexts.com/no%20hell%20in%20the%20bible.htm

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Re: Reasons for believing in Universal Salvation through Jesus Christ
« Reply #48 on: May 14, 2011, 05:28:56 AM »
 :cloud9: What is "Holocaust poetry"?  :dontknow:
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Re: Reasons for believing in Universal Salvation through Jesus Christ
« Reply #49 on: May 14, 2011, 06:48:15 AM »
:cloud9: What is "Holocaust poetry"?  :dontknow:

Yeah?
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