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Re: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT
« Reply #1425 on: June 28, 2015, 08:13:43 PM »
Very good point about draw vs. drag.
Love draws, does not drag.
Jas_3:17  But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.

Well the dragging has been gentile.

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I think that we give permission to be dragged as well.  Lord help where I can not help myself, I'm willing to drop doctrines that get in the way.  We get dragged along because we seek it.

I guess I prefer dragged over draw, because I know I'm hardheaded and slow.

I expect it to get a little rough, and that is ok..............love has teeth, as I've heard it said.

"I think that we give permission to be dragged as well."

No, we YIELD....there is no permission needed... as though we have a say in it [the drawing/dragging.]  :2c:
Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

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Re: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT
« Reply #1426 on: June 28, 2015, 09:04:36 PM »


CHARLES SLAGLE

Just like in the case of Charles Slagle, my sanity quite literally depends on rejecting the ET interpretation of the Bible.

If anyone on this forum feels the same way, the exposition/testimony of Charles will probably be a huge help to them like it was to me. During my 76 years of living I have not found any writing that has been more helpful than this one. Why not check it out?
ABSOLUTE ASSURANCE IN JESUS CHRIST
http://www.richardwaynegarganta.com/4ViewsOfSalvation.htm

You can Google up Charles Slagle and find many more good writings by him.
Just type in Charles Slagle

I didn't go nuts over the doctrine of hell, in fact I had finally come to feel pretty secure for myself by the time I was about 60. But that doctrine had bugged me all my life, never able to feel 100% sure. When I finally came to know that God is love and love never fails and cared for everyone in the world as a Father should I was so so happy and relieved. At that time Charles Slagle was the one I loved reading the most. I cried and laughed and all kinds of things I don't usually do. Thanks for posting this again.

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« Reply #1427 on: June 29, 2015, 02:29:18 PM »
ELECTION

Because men have failed to see and understand the doctrine of election, it has propagated false ideas of salvation. Many seek to limit it to believers, but they overlook the significance of the double statement.

Eventually everyone will be saved.

"In 1Tim. 4:9-11 we are told that the living God `is the Saviour of all mankind, especially of those who believe,' and with this 1Tim. 2: 4-6 concurs. Many seek to limit it to believers, but they overlook the significance of the double statement. That there is a special salvation for believers is plainly stated, but this does not limit the other part of the statement, rather does it emphasize it. The salvation of believers is a special work; they are a special class in the `all mankind.' God's will for mankind is salvation, not as an experimental salvation toying with the will and choice of men, but as their Disposer – God.

My dear brethren, let us embrace this glorious truth which God has revealed for us. Let it so become a part of us that our lives will be reflecting it. Let it fill our hearts with the love of God and His glorious Son. Let us be rendering praise to the living God, the universal Creator and Reconciler, the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
`To Him be glory for the eons! Amen!' " - E.G.Jones

REDEMPTION IN TWO PARTS - J. Preston Eby
http://www.godfire.net/eby/allinall.html

http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/all-in-all.htm

At the present time salvation is enjoyed only by those who believe; the balance of mankind will be saved at the consummation. A savior is one who actually saves. God is the savior of all mankind, not just the 'potential' savior. When the truth concerning the eons displaces the error about eternity, judgment and grace are seen to work harmoniously together till each reaches its predestined goal. All the threats of punishment to follow the judgment of the wicked can be accepted at their full, dreadful value without doing violence to our innate sense of justice, and without denying the predictions of a final victory of grace.
Don Bast

THE GOSPEL OF GRACE – CHARLES W. WELLER
"Love conquers all, for it is the love of God that allows humanity to see its frailty that in the bitter dregs it may choose life. I thank the Lord that the plan of redemption wasn't a stop gap measure but a well thought out plan that in the fullness of time, all will have Christ as their head. Victory in Jesus!

Before creation there was no time. Since creation there has been time. But with the consummation of things and God becoming All in all, time will end, and sin, which is limited by time shall end. Yet, God and creation shall go on.

If God cannot surmount the evil in the world and turn it all into good, then there is a power equal and opposite to Him. But sin isn't eternal. The cross of Calvary isn't a 'hope so' move by God, but rather, a well conceived thought out solution to the problem of sin. There is an end to sin and to the death it causes. All shall be swallowed up into victory. Some, God has planned to accept Him now. Others, like Pharaoh, He hardens their heart. But being a righteous Judge He will show wrath on those who need it to cleanse them of their fallen nature.

The plan of God is such that His grace, that unmerited favor, will cause man and all of creation to be restored The mercy and love of God is to be so revealed that Jesus shall be All in all.

The purpose for the present is to save some. The purpose for the future is to save all. Because men have failed to see and understand the doctrine of election, it has propagated false ideas of salvation. Even he who dies in sin shall be saved as by fire. Victorious grace covers a larger redemption than many would consider."
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"God will have all mankind to be saved" 1Timothy 2:4

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Re: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT
« Reply #1428 on: June 30, 2015, 03:09:57 PM »
ESPECIALLY

GOD JUSTIFIES, VIVIFIES, SAVES AND RECONCILES ALL – E.G. JONES

"In 1Tim. 4:9-11 we are told that the living God 'is the Saviour of all mankind, especially of those who believe,' and with this 1Tim. 2: 4-6 concurs. Many seek to limit it to believers, but they overlook the significance of the double statement. That there is a special salvation for believers is plainly stated, but this does not limit the other part of the statement, rather does it emphasize it. The salvation of believers is a special work; they are a special class in the 'all mankind.' God's will for mankind is salvation, not as an experimental salvation toying with the will and choice of men, but as their Disposer – God.

My dear brethren, let us embrace this glorious truth which God has revealed for us. Let it so become a part of us that our lives will be reflecting it. Let it fill our hearts with the love of God and His glorious Son. Let us be rendering praise to the living God, the universal Creator and Reconciler, the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
'To Him be glory for the eons! Amen!' "

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Re: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT
« Reply #1429 on: July 01, 2015, 02:29:46 PM »
"eternal damnation"

The meaning of words that have been translated as "eternal", "forever", "incurable" in the scriptures

Sodom's fiery judgment is "eternal" (Jude
7)--until--God "will restore the fortunes of Sodom"
Ez.16:53-55).

Israel's "affliction is incurable" (Jer.
30:12)-until--the Lord "will restore health" and heal
her wounds (Jer. 30:17).

The sin of Samaria "is incurable" (Mic. 1:9)-until--
Lord "will restore ... the fortunes of Samaria." (Ez.
16:53).

An Ammonite or Moabite is forbidden to enter the
Lord's congregation "forever"-until--the tenth
generation (Deut. 23:3):

Habakkuk tells us of mountains that were
"everlasting", that is -until-- they "were shattered"
Hab. 3 3:6).

The Aaronic Priesthood was to be an "everlasting"
priesthood (Ex. 40:15), that is-until-it was
superceded by the Melchizedek Priesthood (Hebrews
7:14-18).

Many translations of the Bible inform us that God
would dwell in Solomon's Temple "forever" (1 Kings
8:13), that is,--until the Temple was destroyed.

The Law of Moses was to be an "everlasting covenant"
(Leviticus 24:8) yet we read in the New Covenant the
first was "done away" and "abolished" (2 Corinthians
3:11,13), and God "made the first old" (Hebrews 8:13).

God's waves of wrath roll over Jonah
"forever"-until--the Lord delivers him from the large
fish's belly on the third day (Jonah 2:6,10; 1: 17);

Egypt and Elam will "rise no more" (Jer.
25:27)-until--the Lord will "restore the fortunes of
Egypt" (Ez. 29:14) and "restore the fortunes of Elam"
(Jer. 49:39).

"Moab is destroyed" (Jer. 48:4, 42)-until--the Lord
"will restore the fortunes of Moab" (Jer. 48:47).

Israel's judgment lasts "forever"-until--the Spirit is
poured out and God restores it (Isa. 32:13-15).

So, narrow is the way to life and few find it-until--
His church confiscates the "strong man's" booty,
setting the captives free so God becomes all in all
(Isa. 61, Luke 11:21-22, Matt. 7:13; 16:18, 1 Cor.
15:24-28).

The King James Bible, as well as many others, tells us
that a bondslave was to serve his master "forever"
(Exodus 21:6), that is,--until--his death.
"God will have all mankind to be saved" 1Timothy 2:4

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Re: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT
« Reply #1430 on: July 02, 2015, 01:49:55 PM »
A snippet from
Etymology of the Word "Damn"

The words "damn" and "Hell" are among favorite words spoken by theologians of the "hell-fire" type.
Let us look into the etymology of this word "damn." We may find some interesting surprises.
http://www.tentmaker.org/Dew/Dew7/D7-EtymologyOfTheWordDamn.html
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Re: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT
« Reply #1431 on: July 03, 2015, 05:58:48 AM »
Fantastic article. Everyone should read it. it should be required reading if there were such a thing.
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« Reply #1432 on: July 03, 2015, 06:39:46 AM »
Thank you, rodgertutt and eaglesway, for giving us, and encouraging us to read that article. I also really enjoyed your list under: eternal damnation, rodgertutt.

Yet more of the pieces put together, to form a very different picture from the one most of us grew up with.

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Re: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT
« Reply #1433 on: July 03, 2015, 01:31:07 PM »
EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW

Does the subjection of all under Christ's feet involve forced submission? 1 Cor. 15:20-28. Not at all; first, we see that Christ will subject Himself to His Father. The same word is used because the same action is described; willing and worshipful submission. This is underscored in Phil. 2:9-11, where all bow IN the name of Jesus, a name meaning "God saves". How is it that every tongue will be acclaiming that Jesus Christ is Lord? No one is able to say 'Jesus is Lord" except by Holy Spirit. 1 Cor. 12:3. So it is apparent that their hearts are susceptible to God's spirit.
 "For the Son of Mankind came to seek and to save the lost." Luke 19:10.
How many will He seek? "And I, if I should be exalted out of the earth, shall be drawing all to myself." John 12:32. The word 'men' is not in the Greek; this is universal.
If we read Phil. 3:21, we see the use of the Greek word "kata" ("in accord with/ according to"); see Matt. 9:29 for another example. We are told that the operation which enables Christ to subject all to Himself is in accord with the transfiguration of the body of our humiliation, to conform it to the body of His glory. Nothing could be farther from forced subjugation than this!
Paul reveals a wondrous truth in Romans 5:19, and it relates to all mankind: "For even as, through the disobedience of the one man, the many were constituted sinners, thus also, through the obedience of the One, the many shall be constituted just." Reconciliation is a willing and mutual agreement; one-sided conciliation or forced submission doesn't correspond with God's plan as described in Colossians 1:15-20.
"Yahweh, our Elohim, You are the Setter of welfare on the hearthstones for us, for, moreover, all our doings You do contrive for us." Is. 26:12. See 2 Chronicles 30:12; Rev. 17:17

Some ask, Why does it say "the many" instead of "all" in Roman 5:19?

This is because the one disobedient man (Adam), and the One righteous Man (Christ) are put in a class by themselves. They are in contrast with "the many."

We may put it as follows:
The one disobedient man plus "the many" equals all mankind made sinners.
The One obedient Man plus "the many" equals all mankind made righteous.

That "the one" plus "the many" made sinners includes all mankind no one will deny.

Even so, "the One" plus "the many" made righteous is all-inclusive and guarantees the salvation of all mankind.
"God will have all mankind to be saved" 1Timothy 2:4

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Re: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT
« Reply #1434 on: July 03, 2015, 02:31:27 PM »
 :HeartThrob:   AMEN!!!    :thumbsup: :dsunny:
 
    By the very  gentleness of the Holy Spirit   in tender love and caring   being the only true and pure motive    will by faith all them  mountains be moved and
 
 it is by faith   that will please God .........

Gal 5 22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.
 
 no law because there is no error /sin against this   grace of God   though His   own Spirit &truth .
 
 man/Adam  will know and desire what is good    and of God after he is changed   to be  just  like Him ...
 
  The earnest of the Spirit is God but the fullness   that comes after  the deposit is found in Jesus Christ   KNOWING THE LOVE OF GOD  , by Holy Spirit witness .
Jesus is the reward  !!

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« Reply #1435 on: July 04, 2015, 02:32:24 PM »
EVIL

THE PURPOSE OF EVIL
http://www.savior-of-all.com/the%20purpose%20of%20evil.pdf

THE "EVIL" FROM THE LORD – MICHAEL KILLIAN

"All men will be saved. But God isn't trying to redeem everyone in this age, only that chosen generation that Paul spoke of.

Believing that the evil in this world has its purpose for good will bring much peace to your heart. And then to realize that God in someway, somehow, will eventually use evil to bring about good for everyone, will further add to your peace. As this revelation of the Prince of Peace is unfolded to your turbulent, battle-weary heart, you will start to more continuously abide in His love.

God not only 'allows' evil in this present world, but rather ordains it. No more, and no less evil than God Himself determines, will happen to anyone during any certain day."

THE FEET MINISTRY – DON BRUCE

"The mission of Christ was to destroy the enemy and to set the prisoners free. Now this word 'destroy' does not mean to annihilate. In the Greek it means to make of no effect. When Christ took the keys from the prison keeper he, Satan, lost all power and authority. Christ made his office of no effect (Heb. 2:14&15).

While prophets of doom forecast calamity and destruction, the mind of Christ speaks and lights our world with the vision of universal restoration and reconciliation.

Paul told of a great victory where every knee would bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. Paul did not say that only a small number will bow and confess, but he said every knee will bow, and every tongue will confess. And no man can call Jesus Lord but by the Holy Spirit. What a glorious day that will be when every foot steps forth in the river of life up to the ankle, and from the ankle up to the knee. Every knee shall bow!

We are not an accident! We are not a mistake! No one has been overlooked by the Creator. All of us are His jewels, the apple of His eye, His purpose, reason and will.
When we see God in all things, and realize that all things are in His hands for the eventual good of everyone, then our lives will flow as peacefully as a river."

FUNDAMENTALS OR BASIS OF BELIEF – Thomas Griffith

"We will get good out of evil. Our gracious Educator does evolve for us out of corruption, temptation and sin, new purposes, new skill, new triumphs.

Beyond the overruling of intermediate evil into subserviency to a higher good, what has been superinduced as a transition state of things is therefore seen to be necessary only for a time. It will pass away with the functions which it is made to fulfill. It will at last be superseded by the highest good for everyone."

JUSTIFICATION – DONALD G. HAYTER

"Although God introduced sin through the agency of His creatures, yet He did not sin in so doing. For it was no mistake, no failure of His. It was in accord with His intention, and it will be justified by the beneficial results obtained through its agency.
God is justified in all He does, for His final intention to glorify Himself and bless all of His creatures is the dominating purpose which adds luster to all His eonian operations.
In the brilliant glory of His ultimate, the most somber and gloomy features of earth's history are transformed into a brilliant display of His power, wisdom, and love.

During the final eons, every creature in the heavens, and on earth, and under the earth, will have learned of the sufferings of the Christ, and of the depths of the Father's love revealed in them. And every knee will bow to Him Who died, acclaiming Him Lord, for the glory of God the Father. Very feebly we can enter into the joy, the satisfaction, the thankfulness that will be His as He views the vast potentials of love and adoration that will be pulsing within the heart of everyone.

Thus will all ultimately be justified. God's matchless wisdom, serving in the cause of His love, has produced a method of salvation that calls forth the adoring wonder of our hearts. What a God we have!"

THE EPICURIAN – Thomas Moore

"The God of benevolence, in Whose hands sin and death are but instruments of everlasting good, and Who, bringing all things 'out of darkness into His marvelous light,' proceeds watchfully, and unchangingly to the great, final object of His providence, the restoration of the whole human race to purity and happiness."

A SNIPPET FROM THE PURPOSE OF GOD'S WILL – GUY MARKS

"God prearranged it all, from the fall of man to the glory of the consummation. Not one thing was left to chance. All was founded on His wisdom.

To some, evil is never to cease. God is never able, as they see it, to bring about so much good that all evil will vanish. They try to justify God with the false teaching that man is a free moral agent, whereas the only freedom of man which the scriptures affirm is the freedom of deliverance we find alone in Christ Jesus."

THE INTERPLAY OF GOOD AND EVIL – RAY PRINZING

"God is sovereign, and He controls all the interaction of evil and good, and causes all to redound to His own glory. It is not – what was lost by the fall was to be regained by redemption, BUT by the interaction of FALL AND REDEMPTION, God achieves greater, wiser, nobler, and higher goals for everyone than by the Adamic race remaining in its pristine state.

Evil and good are synchronized to accomplish God's will and purpose, so that the ultimate goal shall reveal all evil transformed back into good, and all negation cancelled out by GOOD. Evil is allowed for wise ends, and when these are secured it must cease to exist, for God will restore all things into good. HE controls all the interaction between evil and good until His purpose of the ages is fulfilled. Then shall God be All in all."

CONVERSATIONS ON THE DIVINE GOVERNMENT – Theophilus Lindsey

"The doctrine of eternal torments is a millstone that Christians hang around the neck of the Gospel. The words translated 'eternal,' 'everlasting,' 'forever,' and the like, generally signify limited periods of duration.

Everything is from God, and for the good of all. All things, good as well as what we call evil, are appointed by Infinite Wisdom and Benevolence, for the wisest and most gracious purposes for everyone."


THE PURPOSE OF EVIL – GUY MARKS

"Evil begins with God and is a necessary part of His plan. It is the method He uses to accomplish His purpose. Usually when man works evil he sins because His motives are wrong, but this is not true of God for His motive is always to produce good. God uses the forces of evil to bring about good.

The teaching that sin and death are eternal is a travesty of God's character, for it presents God standing by in complacency while Satan introduces an evil that all but destroys the human race.

The purpose of evil is to establish a background for a display of God's love and grace which we could never know apart from the experience of sin. Evil is a necessary part of God's purpose to mold us and to fashion us in the image of His beloved Son. Evil is a problem only to those who fail to see God's purpose in it and who refuse to believe that God will bring blessings to all mankind through His dealings with evil and sin. The forces of evil cannot continue beyond the circumference of God's purpose in it. God always has control over the forces of evil and evil never has any power apart from the authority of God. God has complete control over Satan and all of his activities.

The teaching that sin is to continue eternally blinds our minds to an understanding of the purpose of evil. Those who have made the greatest progress in seeking out the revelation of the cross no longer consider evil to be a problem, for the cross of Christ will turn all the evil of sin into infinite good. God will do infinitely more than repudiate sin and abolish death. He will not simply restore the human race to the status of Adam in the garden.

God's grace differs from Adam's offence because it will accomplish far more than Adam lost. Then too that which resulted from Adam's offense is temporary but the results of grace will be permanent. Grace more than meets the need for it exceeds the need by far. It is enough and to spare for it is a superabundance. And this proves conclusively that the ruin caused by Adam's sin is overcome and more by the superabundance of grace.

Before the eons, before there was any evil, before there was any sin, God designated all the events that would make sure that not one would be trapped in the forces of evil, but that all would be delivered from death and sin. God prearranged it all, from the fall of man to the glory of the consummation. Not one thing was left to chance. All was founded on His wisdom.

To some evil will never cease, or so they believe. God is never able, or at least He never tries to bring about so much good that all evil will vanish. They try to justify God with the false teaching that man is a free moral agent. But the only freedom of man that the scriptures present is the freedom that comes through the deliverance which is in Christ Jesus."

THE STRANGER IN LOWELL – John Greenleaf Whittier

"Through discords of sin and sorrow, pain and wrong, truth rises, a deathless melody whose notes of wailing are hereafter to be changed to those of triumph as they blend with the great harmony of a reconciled universe."

THE PEOPLE'S OWN BOOK – F. De La Mennais (1782-1854)
"If suffering was eternal, we should be compelled to conceive of it as independent, as subsisting by itself, or to admit something still more monstrous, for if it was not self-existent, if it was dependant on the divine will, God would be the direct author of eternal suffering.

But what Christ said is now and ever will be true:- 'Come unto me all you that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.' And one day all will come unto Him. The world, deluged with light, and feeling within itself, with the revival of hope, the revival also of faith and love, shall salute that day with songs of joy."
"God will have all mankind to be saved" 1Timothy 2:4

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Re: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT
« Reply #1436 on: July 04, 2015, 03:38:02 PM »
WOW!!   
 
 Just  wonderful Rodger  :HeartThrob:    you made my day  brother  , some very profound truths !     :thumbsup:
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« Reply #1437 on: July 04, 2015, 08:01:21 PM »
I dont know if I agree that God ordains every evil thing.

Death camps. Serial muderers. Child killers.

Did God choose their acts?

Jeremiah 19:5 They have built the high places of Baal to burn their children in the fire as offerings to Baal--something I did not command or mention, nor did it enter my mind.


Jeremiah is speaking in the first person the words of YHWH Himself. Just a thought. The mystery of causality relating to evil is more complex, in my opinion, than that God ordains all evil- and I know we(humans) like things simple- but it aint :o)

I think God set up an environment where man can choose evil or good, and judges them for it, at least on some level.


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« Reply #1438 on: July 04, 2015, 08:23:30 PM »
17After he had left the crowd and entered the house, his disciples asked him about this parable. 18"Are you so dull?" he asked. "Don't you see that nothing that enters a person from the outside can defile them? 19For it doesn't go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body." (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)

20He went on: "What comes out of a person is what defiles them. 21For it is from within, out of a person's heart, that evil thoughts come—sexual immorality, theft, murder, 22adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. 23All these evils come from inside and defile a person."  Mark 7

This is how I see it.

If we have choice, which I believe we do, then there will be the potential for evil.

Without choice, we cannot be God's children, but His slaves, only able to choose what He decides for us.

So, God allows evil, and in His infinite wisdom and power, can take that, which is evil, yet use it for good in our lives.

We are placed in a series of circumstances, where we are constantly given choices we can make. Only through God's Will, with the guidance of the Holy Spirit and grace, can we choose those that are pleasing to God.

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« Reply #1439 on: July 04, 2015, 08:28:21 PM »
 
  I am not sure how to look at it John ,
 

  It seems all things  are made for    His glory and all thingscame   into being  because of Him
 
 I just know  GOD IS SO WISE AND  BEYOND   comprehension     ..
  But have seen many evil things      and heard  and there has been good and bowing down  for Gods help though the suffering  of evil
 
 Just  one  perspective ...
 
 
   John 1 The Beginning
…2He was in the beginning with God. 3All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
  4In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men

 
Men do  shine or fail to shine    His Light
 
Jesus is the reward  !!

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Re: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT
« Reply #1440 on: July 04, 2015, 08:30:26 PM »


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Thank you, my friend, rosered!

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Re: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT
« Reply #1442 on: Today at 01:41:39 AM »
Indeed, when you consider the word evil as we have had it defined for us, it gets very complicated. For example, you mentioned, and rightfully so, that burning children in fire is something that had not ascended on his heart. Read a few verses later, and you see where he says 'I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters; and they shall eat everyone the flesh of his friend, in the siege and in the distress, with which their enemies, and those who seek their life, shall distress them.' Jer 19:9. The Hebrew is emphatic here. He does not simply stand by and let this happen, he is the very cause of this happening.

The key to me in understanding this a little more clearly is, not the action itself, but His relationship to it. The burning of children is said to have not 'ascended on his heart'.
Compare this with what He inspired Jeremiah also to write in his lamentation:

For though He afflicted, Yet He shall show compassion According to the greatness of His kindnesses. For He has not afflicted from His heart, Nor does He grieve the children of men.
Lam 3:32,33

Notice that he indeed is the cause of the affliction, and such affliction is disjointed, (the concrete meaning of evil), yet this affliction was not from his heart. To have something done 'from the heart', is a Hebrew idiom, and, correct me if I am wrong, but I also think I remember it being an English idiom as well, having to do with doing something willingly, in agreement with, as being a part of you.

Maybe it is sort of like a parent who might use the rod lovingly on their wayward child for rebellion. They do not do so from the heart, not willingly, but nevertheless, they do it for the bringing about of the greater good.

I as a human have a very hard time wrapping my mind around trying to understand the most abhorrent evils as having anything ultimately to do with a greater good, but I must trust in the one who has it all under his control. That is how I currently understand it.

Ronen

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« Reply #1443 on: Today at 01:46:56 PM »
Fear
by Walter Lanyon

Fear can manifest only because of a belief in separation. As long as you are something apart from God you will experience, in one form or another, fear. It is subtle and hidden like a poisonous serpent coiled in the grass, liable to strike at any time--at the most unguarded moment, when least expected.
Its only power is given to it by thought, and it can be swollen by thought from a serpent into a dragon. All thoughts of evil are like toy balloons in that they are enlarged until finally the capacity is overtaxed and they burst. Sooner or later a fear will explode itself, however much or little damage it has done.
The panacea for all fear is your union with God.
The moment you are separated from ME and wander into the thought world (the vacuum of separation), you are subject to the laws of fear. The one who is filled with fear sees the "ten thousand fall at your right hand," and is so convinced of the reality and power of evil that he fails to notice the one who passes through unscathed.
"Stand and see the salvation of the Lord" has a definite, positive value to you NOW. For you are beginning to sense-see the power of being one instead of two. You are beginning to appropriate the instantaneous relief felt from this ONENESS.
This sudden appropriation of ONENESS is accompanied by the consciousness of how to eliminate the object of, or the belief in, fear. There are different "cities" of refuge into which you may run for every differing degree of fear; yet all are the same God. This "running" into God is not as symbolical as it appears. It is an actual fusing of you with the Father within you, and from that moment you are a majority, and you will know the NOTHINGNESS of the fear belief.
We arrive finally at the point, which is so full of the acceptance of God that it can and does say, "Even if You slay me, yet I will say You are God"---and the last stand is taken. Even if You slay me---yet will I acknowledge this One and Only Power.
http://www.interiorcoveringsministry.org/pages.asp?pageid=37154 
 
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« Reply #1444 on: Today at 02:49:48 PM »
Yes, I can relate to this.

The closer we get to God, the less fear in our lives.

Matthew 14:…28Peter said to Him, "Lord, if it is You, command me to come to You on the water." 29And He said, "Come!" And Peter got out of the boat, and walked on the water and came toward Jesus. 30But seeing the wind, he became frightened, and beginning to sink, he cried out, "Lord, save me!"…

We need to keep our eyes on Him, not on our storms.

I lived in fear, for so much of my life. The world and God look very different without those chains, now. I thank Him, everyday, for setting this captive, free.

Thank you for sharing this, rodgertutt. 
7"Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 8"For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened.…

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Re: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT
« Reply #1445 on: Today at 03:12:24 PM »
Indeed, when you consider the word evil as we have had it defined for us, it gets very complicated. For example, you mentioned, and rightfully so, that burning children in fire is something that had not ascended on his heart. Read a few verses later, and you see where he says 'I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters; and they shall eat everyone the flesh of his friend, in the siege and in the distress, with which their enemies, and those who seek their life, shall distress them.' Jer 19:9. The Hebrew is emphatic here. He does not simply stand by and let this happen, he is the very cause of this happening.

The key to me in understanding this a little more clearly is, not the action itself, but His relationship to it. The burning of children is said to have not 'ascended on his heart'.
Compare this with what He inspired Jeremiah also to write in his lamentation:

For though He afflicted, Yet He shall show compassion According to the greatness of His kindnesses. For He has not afflicted from His heart, Nor does He grieve the children of men.
Lam 3:32,33

Notice that he indeed is the cause of the affliction, and such affliction is disjointed, (the concrete meaning of evil), yet this affliction was not from his heart. To have something done 'from the heart', is a Hebrew idiom, and, correct me if I am wrong, but I also think I remember it being an English idiom as well, having to do with doing something willingly, in agreement with, as being a part of you.

Maybe it is sort of like a parent who might use the rod lovingly on their wayward child for rebellion. They do not do so from the heart, not willingly, but nevertheless, they do it for the bringing about of the greater good.

I as a human have a very hard time wrapping my mind around trying to understand the most abhorrent evils as having anything ultimately to do with a greater good, but I must trust in the one who has it all under his control. That is how I currently understand it.

Ronen


I am grateful, as are others I am certain, Ronen, for your input and efforts - clearly your researches and application provide for you a deep, meaningful and beneficial spiritual understanding (viewing Truth as the beginning, middle and end - the Whole - being particularly interesting).

I believe that, due to the sacred nature of the Scriptures and the rules which God has set into being towards its compilation, a spiritual meaning of varying expressions is contained in every word.

While I believe that the ancient people of the Old Testament as a whole were not of a similar state of spiritual understanding as those main placed characters who appear in the Sacred Record as guiding lights in the name of God, I do not want to cause any offence when I say that I do not hold a literal truth, except at the central core, to some of the stories passed down through generations, gathered together and recorded and re-recorded (in my opinion) at various times.

But nevertheless, I reiterate that I hold that the spiritual meaning of such passages is of everlasting moment in comparison to some embellished transient literal truth around which is built up that given by those who had the key to the hidden spiritual meaning. I say this because it is not my intention to upset people on their own spiritual path which they must rightly follow, and yet be able to express my own differing opinion.

I believe that the revelation of God to His people is according to their own capacity to assimilate it. Man cannot receive what he is not able to receive. I see the unfoldment of man's conception of God as generally progressive (although there is sometimes a back stepping).

I see, for instance, that a people who are capable of building high places and passing their children through a vile sacrifice - that such a people are not in any way fitted to a great understanding of a loving God. Hence, due to man's own consciousness, he received that aspect of God that could have a beneficial effect upon him - namely the Great Ruler, hence:

'I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters; and they shall eat everyone the flesh of his friend, in the siege and in the distress, with which their enemies, and those who seek their life, shall distress them.' Jer 19:9

And so, to cut a long story short, then came the Loving Saviour, claiming Himself to represent the Father, if they had seen Him, they had seen the Father. Then, and now, man is given that aspect of God which he had become fitted to receive. So came the Holy Spirit, and so the Holy Spirit is still with us, working away on man.

So, in short, according to my understanding, when God is portrayed as saying that He will bring hideous evils upon man, this is but the form of Deity to which man would respond to halt his downward spiral into further and further evil.

I believe that while God is the Creator, He joys in the love that His children offer back to Him and also, as importantly, the love that they offer to His other children. Thus He gives certain choices and abilities to His children, and if those choices violate His laws - such as child sacrifice - then there is more evil created - it is man who has done such evil, hence:

'(They) have built the high places of Baal to burn their sons with fire, burnt-offerings to Baal, that I commanded not, nor spake of, nor did it come up on My heart' Jer.19:5

So, on one level, God created everything and therefore one might declare that God created evil, but on another level, man is creating the evil against the Will of God.

Therefore, my own personal view is that God created life, and it is the life that creates the evil through that part of that life which makes it a child of God in contrast to God Himself - if only man would not oppose His kind commandments. It is, to put it another way, man separating himself from union with God that cause evil to arise.

I also believe that when man creates evil, he brings to himself the consequences of his evil creation, which is designed to bring him back to a restored, wholesome, healed spiritual state.

Hence, I believe that, as man's understanding and conception of his God increases, when one tells man that he has a glorious, wonderful future life in Eternity with an unthinkable loving God who has thought-out the most exquisite future spiritual marvels for His own children - then in saying such, it must always be accompanied with severe warnings, such as, I believe, a coming reckoning from which none shall escape, and which shall include remembrance of every tiniest detail and motive which violated the laws of God laid down so clearly by the Light of the World. Not to do so, in my opinion, is to be a false shepherd. And none can rightly say Christ's message was not available to them - again, my opinion.

This is simply a concise expression of how I see the issue in order to express my opinion, which really would take a whole lifetime to expand upon.

We are ultimately talking about the God who many profess to be Love, and it is just not possible to exaggerate the Love of God.

Peace.

"A few drops of blood renew the whole world, and become for all men that which rennet is for milk, uniting and drawing us into one". "Christ is like leaven for the entire mass, and having made that which was damned one with himself, frees the whole from damnation".

Gregory of Nazianzu

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« Reply #1446 on: Today at 03:44:10 PM »
Shalom Lastpost,

Thank you so much for sharing your understanding. You have clearly put much thought and meditation into it. I very much agree that, as you said, that when man separates himself from his source (God), that evil arises. Evil again, being the act of something disjointed, may be likened to a blade of grass disjointed from the rest of the grass blade. Being disconnected from its source, it can do nothing but wither. Thankfully, we serve a Father who is able to take that which is disjointed and to insert (the concrete meaning of טוב [good]) it back into its source, bringing about restoration and wholeness.

Any part we have have differences on in no way offends me, for whatever the truth of it is, he will reveal to us in his time, as it is written 'if any of you view it differently, Alaha will reveal that also to you.' In the meantime we are faithful to share what we understand, still sharing the oneness of the spirit.  :friendstu:

Ronen