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all will see
« on: April 02, 2013, 06:57:16 AM »
LUKE 3:6
"Then everyone will see the saving power of God.'" CEV
"All humanity will see God's salvation."  CEB
"And all men will see God saving people from the punishment of their sins.'" NLV
"and all flesh shall see the salvation of God."  YLT
"And all people will know about the salvation of God!'"    NCV

Isaiah 40:5
"Then the glory of the Lord will appear for all to see. The Lord has promised this!" CEV
The Lord's glory will appear, and all humanity will see it together; the Lord's mouth has commanded it." CEB
"Then the shining-greatness of the Lord will be seen. All flesh together will see it, for the mouth of the Lord has spoken." NLV
"And revealed hath been the honour of Jehovah, And seen [it] have all flesh together, For the mouth of Jehovah hath spoken." YLT
"Then the glory of the Lord will be shown, and all people together will see it. The Lord himself said these things." NCV

Pretty simple and straightforward. Isaiah says it is a promise from the one that always keeps his promise and never lies.
Interesting enough, the ET people I've talked to say, "Oh yeah, everybody will see it, but only those that accepteed Christ will receive it. Big difference between seeing and receiving."

I guess they figure God is so petty that before He sends them off for eternal torment he rubs their noses in it and says, "SEE! That's what you could have had if only I had selected you. But I didn't. (At this point, they see God raising his hand up with the "L" and pointing at them and laughing)
Sounds blasphemous? That's what ET sounds like to me, blasphemy against God.
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Re: all will see
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2013, 07:05:57 AM »
It says they will all see it together, so that means at the same time.

When will this happen?  Is this describing the return of Christ on the clouds?  Is it happening  in the real world?  Or is this only happening in spirit?

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Re: all will see
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2013, 07:23:58 AM »
2 Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the Lord's hand double for all her sins.

3 The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.

4 Every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low: and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough places plain:

5 And the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.

--Isa 40

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« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2013, 07:26:04 AM »
I believe it is at the return when "every eye shall see him and(or even?) those that peirced him"
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« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2013, 07:48:38 AM »
I believe it is at the return when "every eye shall see him and(or even?) those that peirced him"
To see Him is to be changed into the same image, as by the Spirit of the Lord.
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Re: all will see
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2013, 08:11:32 AM »

To see Him is to be changed into the same image, as by the Spirit of the Lord.

Are you talking about this verse?

And we all, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another. For this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit. 2 Cor 3:18

Or this one?


Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2


Both of those verses are talking specifically about Christians.

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« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2013, 07:45:54 PM »
Concerning when ALL will see him. I've heard

"Some will run to Him but most will try to run from Him
calling to the rocks and mountains to fall on them and hide them from Him.
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« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2013, 09:29:44 PM »
2 Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the Lord's hand double for all her sins.

3 The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.

4 Every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low: and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough places plain:

5 And the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.

--Isa 40

I think these verses express it very well.. also with a sense of outside of time (ness) which I think is often expressed..

" And the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it."

i think, or as i've come to understand it, this will happen - all flesh shall see it together - on that great day of the review of all things.. the Great White Throne Judgment.. which occurs after the 2nd resurrection, so aLL are there.. all witness.. [I believe the spring holy days prophesied the 1st advent, so the 3 fall holy days prophecy the 3 peaks of His long 2nd advent, the peaks being His return, judgment, tabernacles(rev21:3"will tabernacle w/ man") the holy days being, trumpets, atonement, tabernacles.. ] :2c: :gsmile:
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Where does it say no repentance after death? being resurrected still in their sins (the 2nd) during age of Judgment, there's sure to be weeping and wailing & for those habitual despisers of God, gnashing of teeth--who mAy make their way to LOF
~Is weeping & wailing the beginning of the redemptive process??
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Re: all will see
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2013, 09:43:58 PM »
Concerning when ALL will see him. I've heard

"Some will run to Him but most will try to run from Him
calling to the rocks and mountains to fall on them and hide them from Him.

this you've quoted is in the description of the 6th seal (the seals are described as a intertwined blend of [1] what they are when the seal is 1st opened[broken] and [2] what they are in their fully progressed/galloped form at the 'end')

Revelation 6:12-17

Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

12 And I saw when he opened the sixth seal, and lo, a great earthquake came, and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood,

13 and the stars of the heaven fell to the earth -- as a fig-tree doth cast her winter figs, by a great wind being shaken --

14 and heaven departed as a scroll rolled up, and every mountain and island -- out of their places they were moved;

15 and the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich, and the chiefs of thousands, and the mighty, and every servant, and every freeman, hid themselves in the dens, and in the rocks of the mountains, (bomb shelters?)

16 and they say to the mountains and to the rocks, `Fall upon us, and hide us from the face of Him who is sitting upon the throne, and from the anger of the Lamb,'

17 because come did the great day of His anger, and who is able to stand?

2 Thess 1:7,8 says He comes with angels and with fire.. so, it sounds to me you are right about that day.. I think I equate "all will see His glory" along with "every knee shall bend" as a happy and sincere occurrence, so a different day than the day of His anger/wrath/consuming fire, when Christ returns with fire, tho I think it (that day & the 'end' of the story) is all consequences and the fire is from something man does. :gsmile: :2c:
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Where does it say no repentance after death? being resurrected still in their sins (the 2nd) during age of Judgment, there's sure to be weeping and wailing & for those habitual despisers of God, gnashing of teeth--who mAy make their way to LOF
~Is weeping & wailing the beginning of the redemptive process??
~ ~ ~
The historist elements in the Bk of Rev shed light on the futurist! (Like13:13, same as, 6:12-17-but both  begin/historist & end/futurist r described here so early! a clever lock; & parts of ch12-hist; ch's 10,12,13 = inserts)
~imo we are at 7:1 a pause of 6:12/splitting of atom

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Re: all will see
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2013, 09:55:14 PM »

Revelation 1:7
7 Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.

"they who pierced Him" would cross reference with
Zechariah 12:10 (i happened to read this in my reading just lately, or i wouldn't remember it)
10 "I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn.
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Where does it say no repentance after death? being resurrected still in their sins (the 2nd) during age of Judgment, there's sure to be weeping and wailing & for those habitual despisers of God, gnashing of teeth--who mAy make their way to LOF
~Is weeping & wailing the beginning of the redemptive process??
~ ~ ~
The historist elements in the Bk of Rev shed light on the futurist! (Like13:13, same as, 6:12-17-but both  begin/historist & end/futurist r described here so early! a clever lock; & parts of ch12-hist; ch's 10,12,13 = inserts)
~imo we are at 7:1 a pause of 6:12/splitting of atom

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Re: all will see
« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2013, 11:30:53 PM »
LUKE 3:6
"Then everyone will see the saving power of God.'" CEV
"All humanity will see God's salvation."  CEB
"And all men will see God saving people from the punishment of their sins.'" NLV
"and all flesh shall see the salvation of God."  YLT
"And all people will know about the salvation of God!'"    NCV

I have never seen this verse before!  (Just like I never saw all the verses in the Bible that say all the world will be saved. Wonder why?)
I pondered just what the meaning of the word "see" is in this verse.
Here is what the lexicon says:
     1) to see with the eyes
     2) to see with the mind, to perceive, know
     3) to see, i.e. become acquainted with by experience, to experience
     4) to see, to look to
           a) to take heed, beware
           b) to care for, pay heed to

     5) I was seen, showed myself, appeared

Based on the usage, and the warnings that follow in chapter 3, I believe "see" means "to experience."
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Re: all will see
« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2013, 05:35:14 AM »
From my perspective, who has truely seem Him could deny Him? Having seen Him I weep in gratitude and joy. Those who refuse Him, do not know Him, but like Joseph's brothers, they will fear at first, then weep for joy at the forgiveness and grand plan of God. Oh, what a Savior!

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« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2013, 04:41:56 PM »
From my perspective, who has truely seem Him could deny Him? Having seen Him I weep in gratitude and joy. Those who refuse Him, do not know Him, but like Joseph's brothers, they will fear at first, then weep for joy at the forgiveness and grand plan of God. Oh, what a Savior!

Wow!  I've never before seen the foreshadow of forgiveness for all in the story of Joseph.  Thanks for sharing this.
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Re: all will see
« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2013, 06:00:22 PM »
LUKE 3:6
"Then everyone will see the saving power of God.'" CEV
"All humanity will see God's salvation."  CEB
"And all men will see God saving people from the punishment of their sins.'" NLV
"and all flesh shall see the salvation of God."  YLT
"And all people will know about the salvation of God!'"    NCV

I have never seen this verse before!  (Just like I never saw all the verses in the Bible that say all the world will be saved. Wonder why?)
I pondered just what the meaning of the word "see" is in this verse.
Here is what the lexicon says:
     1) to see with the eyes
     2) to see with the mind, to perceive, know
     3) to see, i.e. become acquainted with by experience, to experience
     4) to see, to look to
           a) to take heed, beware
           b) to care for, pay heed to

     5) I was seen, showed myself, appeared

Based on the usage, and the warnings that follow in chapter 3, I believe "see" means "to experience."


  Amen!!  :iagree: I'm thinking it takes #3 for we humans to learn just what it is our Heavenly Father is imprinting upon our hearts.. (which is a good/glorious thing, but, hence, life as we presently know it..)  :smile:
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Where does it say no repentance after death? being resurrected still in their sins (the 2nd) during age of Judgment, there's sure to be weeping and wailing & for those habitual despisers of God, gnashing of teeth--who mAy make their way to LOF
~Is weeping & wailing the beginning of the redemptive process??
~ ~ ~
The historist elements in the Bk of Rev shed light on the futurist! (Like13:13, same as, 6:12-17-but both  begin/historist & end/futurist r described here so early! a clever lock; & parts of ch12-hist; ch's 10,12,13 = inserts)
~imo we are at 7:1 a pause of 6:12/splitting of atom

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« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2013, 06:05:09 PM »
From my perspective, who has truely seem Him could deny Him? Having seen Him I weep in gratitude and joy. Those who refuse Him, do not know Him, but like Joseph's brothers, they will fear at first, then weep for joy at the forgiveness and grand plan of God. Oh, what a Savior!

Wow!  I've never before seen the foreshadow of forgiveness for all in the story of Joseph.  Thanks for sharing this.

Oh yes, Deena --thank you so much; in just three lines you have shared a few great Scriptural treasures.

I really appreciate the treasure: story of Joseph -- like jbertonbounds, I had never seen the forgiveness of all foreshadowed in the story of Joseph.  I can use this in my current discussions with my very Catholic family who know well the stories of the OT; as well as in my ongoing study of God's everlasting love especially as seen in the OT.

jbertonbounds:  I greatly appreciate the word study on "see"... especially, as I reflected on Isaiah 33:17 (AMP) Your eyes will SEE the King in His beauty; [your eyes] will behold a land of wide distances that stretches far.


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Re: all will see
« Reply #15 on: April 24, 2013, 06:39:57 PM »
Yes, Anna, he is not going to show off his glory and salvation just for people to look at - we will be a part of it! 
This gives me such joy!
"For behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to ALL people."
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