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Offline Molly

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« Reply #25 on: May 07, 2010, 03:10:52 AM »
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The bottom line is that Jesus could not have been saying that the SPIRIT had rejected or abandoned Him. That would only surmount to a complete lack of faith within the OT prophesies, promises, and that of the faithful witness, himself.

Isn't that what death is?  How did Adam die in the day?

... for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

--Gen 2



Didn't Jesus have to reverse what Adam had done?  Walk in his shoes with a better outcome?  He is our kinsman-Redeemer.


he will be gracious and say, 'Rescue him from the grave, for I have found a ransom for his life.'

--Job 33:24


 

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« Reply #26 on: May 07, 2010, 04:08:18 AM »

Adam did not die from a lack of faith, but a lack of obedience, for that's exactly how he was found lacking.
Jesus did not reverse what Adam had done, more so,
The Second Adam DID what the first COULD NOT.

He is THE new Creation.

NOT a revised version of the first!
 

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« Reply #27 on: May 07, 2010, 04:29:30 AM »
What is death to self?

If our aim is to walk in the Spirit of the day, we need to go through the processes of purging ourselves of pride (selfishness) and self-will, including many other things that cause us to think only about ourselves; survival mode of the fleshly mind. This processes will lead us on a journey one step at a time, that will involve humility and the strengthening of our faith. And each step is a new journey. Ultimately, resulting in holiness. Although we have never been truly separated.

Footprints in the Sand

One night I dreamed I was walking along the beach with the Lord. Many scenes from my life flashed across the sky.
In each scene I noticed footprints in the sand. Sometimes there were two sets of footprints, other times there was one only. This bothered me because I noticed that during the low periods of my life, when I was suffering from anguish, sorrow or defeat, I could see only one set of footprints, so I said to the Lord, "You promised me Lord, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I have noticed that during the most trying periods of my life there has only been one set of footprints in the sand. Why, when I needed you most, have you not been there for me?"

The Lord replied, "The years when you have seen only one set of footprints, my child, is when I carried you."

Mary Stevenson, 1936.
 
"...for when I am weak, then am I strong." (2 Corinthians 12:10)
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Re: My God, my God
« Reply #28 on: May 07, 2010, 04:38:33 AM »


Yes, humility rules the Kingdom of God.
The foolish things of man are treasures to the Lord.
Who is rich among you?
The Book of James speaks of Hope.

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« Reply #29 on: May 07, 2010, 04:50:14 AM »

But back to the original post.
We were made in His Image. Agreed?
The Lord God has many names, natures, that He uses to reveal Himself to us.
When "God" made Adam, in the plural of His wonder, Jesus at the cross with His enduring breath called out to the same from whence we ALL came.
Remember?

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« Reply #31 on: May 07, 2010, 05:03:19 AM »

Adam did not die from a lack of faith, but a lack of obedience, for that's exactly how he was found lacking.
Jesus did not reverse what Adam had done, more so,
The Second Adam DID what the first COULD NOT.

He is THE new Creation.

NOT a revised version of the first!
 

Isn't a lack of obedience a lack of faith?   Jesus starts his ministry where we last saw Adam, outside the gate.

 1Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

--Mat 4


He meets with the devil and overcomes him with the word of God [as opposed to Adam who stayed mute.]


He calls himself the Son of Adam.


And he even wears Adam's crown of thorns on the cross.


...cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

 18Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee;


--Gen 3


Jesus is leading us into a new creation, the firstborn of many brothers, but first he reverses the curse brought down on all creation by Adam.


19In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

--Gen 3


John 11:26
And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die.

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Re: My God, my God
« Reply #32 on: May 07, 2010, 05:25:23 AM »

With all due respect, and I do value your words immensely.
Jesus started His ministry at the age of 12.
The Lord Jesus was never outside the gate for He is the Way.
The Lord Jesus was driven into the wilderness to be temped by the wares of the world AFTER the Lord God declares how pleased He is with Him.
He overcomes the devil within Himself, for He absolutely could not fail, perfect is as perfect does.
He is the son of Adam, Flesh made whole.
As I have overcome... I in You, You in Me, We in Them.
He has, is, and continues to, establish His presence wherever it may go, on this earth and hereafter making us co-creaters within the Godhead Almighty.
Death is a moot point for the Sons of God.

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« Reply #33 on: May 07, 2010, 05:37:51 AM »
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The Lord Jesus was never outside the gate for He is the Way
  Well, yes, he is the Way, but as such, he presents himself to those outside the gate, which is where his ministry takes place.  It's the sick who need a doctor, not the healthy.  It is outside the gate where the sacrifice is burned.

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7And the parched ground shall become a pool, and the thirsty land springs of water: in the habitation of dragons, where each lay, shall be grass with reeds and rushes.

 8And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it shall be called The way of holiness; the unclean shall not pass over it; but it shall be for those: the wayfaring men, though fools, shall not err therein.


--Isa 35



11For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp.

 12Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.

 13Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach.

--Heb 13

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Re: My God, my God
« Reply #34 on: May 07, 2010, 05:39:31 AM »


So, it's not to die for Him, we can do that, who is brave enough to live for Him?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=X43XXpItGk0

Remember?

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« Reply #35 on: May 07, 2010, 05:52:15 AM »


Amen Molly.
He brought the flesh into Glory for the joy set before Him.

Now, Molly, my dear and loving sister in the Lord and in the wonder of God
I'll let you say, in one word What is the Glory of God ???

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« Reply #36 on: May 07, 2010, 05:54:31 AM »


So, it's not to die for Him, we can do that, who is brave enough to live for Him?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=X43XXpItGk0

Remember?

Yes.  Amen.

Romans 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

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« Reply #37 on: May 07, 2010, 05:57:18 AM »


Amen Molly.
He brought the flesh into Glory for the joy set before Him.

Now, Molly, my dear and loving sister in the Lord and in the wonder of God
I'll let you say, in one word What is the Glory of God ???

Jesus.


 14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

--John 1


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Re: My God, my God
« Reply #38 on: May 07, 2010, 06:02:19 AM »

And the Greeks said:
We shall see Jesus:
And He said?

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« Reply #39 on: May 07, 2010, 06:09:51 AM »
Christ.


Colossians 1:27
To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:


1 John 3:2
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.




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« Reply #40 on: May 07, 2010, 06:13:22 AM »

And the Greeks said:
We shall see Jesus:
And He said?

"Sir," they said, "we would like to see Jesus."  22 Philip went to tell Andrew; Andrew and Philip in turn told Jesus.

 23 Jesus replied, "The hour has come for the Son of Man to be glorified.  24 I tell you the truth, unless a kernel of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains only a single seed. But if it dies, it produces many seeds

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Re: My God, my God
« Reply #41 on: May 07, 2010, 06:16:52 AM »

WE, are the Glory of God!

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« Reply #43 on: May 07, 2010, 06:33:18 AM »


Jesus is the firstborn of the new creation.
WE are His pride and joy, the Masterpiece of Wisdom.
Within this knowledge, the blessedness of Christ Jesus, the new creation has none of the conceit of Adam.

There is no
Avarice
Hubris
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Pride of life.

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« Reply #44 on: May 07, 2010, 03:15:28 PM »
Rom 14:8  For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
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« Reply #45 on: May 07, 2010, 03:25:59 PM »
which I guess answers for me the on-going question as to why you see, or so it seems, that there are greater miracles going on in a mission field in some 3rd world country than in our own backyard.  This nation seems to rely mostly on it's knowledge of God rather than living in revelation from Him.


Nathan, being sincere here, but considering these 3rd world countries that have had mission work in them for decades are still 3rd world countries I wonder what greater miracles are you talking about.  I am not demeaning the mission work that goes on in these countries but just wondering what you see as a greater miracle.

For me, I observe the world and even my own life with all the worst things that I can recall and I still would not want to have been born in a 3rd world country.   I do not yearn for experiences because I have already been blessed abundantly with them just by being born in the US .



Greater miracles as in miraculous healings, people coming to Christ by the tens of thousands.  I have a cousin who has a calling for India.  Several times he's come to my church and shared testimonies and he's brought leaders from India with him who've seen arms grow, legs mend, sores fall off and it's on a regular basis. 

I wasn't stating that the 3rd world countries have more comfortable living conditions than ours, better political establishments, stronger protection and all that.  All that I was referring to was that when dealing with your traditional missionary ministries, there's a greater manifestation of miracles in thsoe areas where people are not already religionized.  That was the only point I was making with that.

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« Reply #46 on: May 07, 2010, 04:19:41 PM »
 :cloud9: It's true Nathan. They didn't have anyone standing over them for generations telling them what Jesus COULDN'T do, WOULDN'T do "today", ect. Blessings....
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« Reply #47 on: May 07, 2010, 05:41:59 PM »
which I guess answers for me the on-going question as to why you see, or so it seems, that there are greater miracles going on in a mission field in some 3rd world country than in our own backyard.  This nation seems to rely mostly on it's knowledge of God rather than living in revelation from Him.


Nathan, being sincere here, but considering these 3rd world countries that have had mission work in them for decades are still 3rd world countries I wonder what greater miracles are you talking about.  I am not demeaning the mission work that goes on in these countries but just wondering what you see as a greater miracle.

For me, I observe the world and even my own life with all the worst things that I can recall and I still would not want to have been born in a 3rd world country.   I do not yearn for experiences because I have already been blessed abundantly with them just by being born in the US .



Greater miracles as in miraculous healings, people coming to Christ by the tens of thousands.  I have a cousin who has a calling for India.  Several times he's come to my church and shared testimonies and he's brought leaders from India with him who've seen arms grow, legs mend, sores fall off and it's on a regular basis. 

I wasn't stating that the 3rd world countries have more comfortable living conditions than ours, better political establishments, stronger protection and all that.  All that I was referring to was that when dealing with your traditional missionary ministries, there's a greater manifestation of miracles in thsoe areas where people are not already religionized.  That was the only point I was making with that.

Well Nathan I can only say that I have spent my entire religious life hearing stories of missionaries from other places that have no real documentation for such things and we are just expected to take someones word for it.   I have also watch 100's of people spiritually crippled because what they saw as a miracle in their life was downplayed because something  "Greater" happened.

You can talk about 10's of 1000's of people accepting Christ and limbs growing back, but I know that I have seen as great a miracle in a kids life that a WHOLE church seen as insignificant who believed he would never pick up a bible.

He did one day, he stood up in church, and said he woke up one morning and decided to read the bible.  Hardly anyone clapped, why?   Because before him was everyone giving their   "Greater testamony".   

Miracles are not greater any where.   Gifts of God are universally equal everywhere. 
What people say is greater, though, is another matter.




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« Reply #48 on: May 07, 2010, 09:33:05 PM »
 :cloud9: In a way, I'm my own "mission field" because I was not trained up to believe, either. Yet the Lord saw fit to do 4 miracle healings on me, which ARE documented by specialist's reports.

I've seen many healings take place over the years with other people as well. Healing is the children's bread; no surprise then it takes childlike faith to receive, as opposed to being told all your life these things don't/can't happen, it was for the early church, ect., as much of the American churches erroneously teach. Blessings....
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« Reply #49 on: May 07, 2010, 10:02:49 PM »


Miracles happen all the time, even to people who don't think they deserve them.  Miracles happen to people who do not even believe it was a miracle.

One of the perversions of religion is to teach that one must  be a certain way to receive.
The other is that if someone doesn't receive what they want then it must be that they are not childlike or in a position to receive or don't have enough faith or haven't tithed, or some other nonsense.

Overseas missions counts on dollars from richer nations to keep them afloat.  The well would dry up if they did not come back with grand sounding stories to tell. 

It is the same reason a kid who read the bible with all odds against it was not seen as anything but dumb and meaningless.