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Movie "Hellbound?" In theaters Across US and Canada!
« on: September 12, 2012, 06:56:36 PM »
"Hellbound? The Movie" is a full length docu-movie premiering across US and Canada.

You can view the trailer here:

http://www.hellboundthemovie.com

From the "Hellbound?" Website:

Does hell exist? If so, who ends up there, and why? Featuring an eclectic group of authors, theologians, pastors, social commentators and musicians, "Hellbound?" is a provocative, feature-length documentary that will ensure you never look at hell the same way again! Coming to theaters beginning Sept 12, 2012.

Hell. A shadowy abode choked with eggy, sulfurous fumes; the stench of blackened, bubbling flesh and screams of agony from souls trapped forever in a lake of fire. A vision made all the more terrifying by the fact that God–the only being who could possibly save us from such a fate–is the one who consigns us there instead.

Such depictions of hell have gripped humanity for centuries. But the traditional view of hell also presents us with a dilemma. If God is our pure, all-loving Creator, can he really allow (presumably) billions of people to suffer in hell for eternity? To many people, it seems like we can have a good God or we can have the traditional view of hell, but we can't have both…

Has anyone seen a pre-release screening? Are you planning on seeing it? Let's talk about this important movie as it begins to hit theaters across US and Canada.

Update: We have our first review of "Hellbound?" on our websites. We will be including others soon:

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Re: Movie "Hellbound?" Premiers TODAY in Nashville!!
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2012, 07:14:20 PM »
I went to concerts of 3 of the actors.
They never sounded like real UR people with songs like "Homage for satan" :-)
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Re: Movie "Hellbound?" Premiers TODAY in Nashville!!
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2012, 07:58:00 PM »
Hi WhiteWings,
The musicians featured in the movie were for the backdrop of the movie highlighting the cultural images people have of "hell" not to promote their worldview.

The movie documents the history of the doctrine of hell plus includes interviews with various theologians, historians and philosophers. Some appearances include: Mark Driscoll (of Acts 29 Network of churches), Kevin DeYoung & Justin Taylor (of The Gospel Coalition), Brian McLaren (Emergent Village), Peter Kreeft (apologist), Jerry Walls (Arminian apologist), Paul Young (The Shack) and many others.

The movie challenges the myth of eternal conscious torment. Kevin Miller's purpose is to show that the doctrine of ECT must be reexamined in light of  historical, logical, philosophical, ethical and most importantly, Biblical evidence.
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Re: Movie "Hellbound?" Premiers TODAY in Nashville!!
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2012, 08:08:15 PM »
I recognized a few of the people you mentioned.
I have to wait until the movie is subtitled.
Until then I wish the actors 3 Oscars and 7 Emmies :-)
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Re: Movie "Hellbound?" Premiers TODAY in Nashville!!
« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2012, 11:22:23 PM »
OMG I want to see it!! I wonder if it's coming here... IT IS TIME FOR THIS MOVIE!!! LET THE CHURCHED BE SET FREE FROM THE BONDAGE OF THE FEAR OF ET!!!
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Re: Movie "Hellbound?" Premiers TODAY in Nashville!!
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2012, 11:26:58 PM »
Dang it, of course it's not coming to Nova Scotia. :( Yes, we're a small province but we still need to see this people! I wonder if it could be downloaded...

I like what David Bruce said: Think about how ridiculous this sounds - You gotta accept Jesus Christ or you're gonna burn forever in hell! Oh, by the way, God loves you.  :laughing7:
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Re: Movie "Hellbound?" Premiers TODAY in Nashville!!
« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2012, 12:34:35 AM »
I believe there is still time to request the movie in your city. You can email Kevin Miller directly and ask how to do this (he might be busy today though!)

http://www.hellboundthemovie.com/contact-us/

But if it's too late to host in your area I know it will be made accessible after the screenings both DVD and online.

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Re: Movie "Hellbound?" In theaters starting Sept 12!!
« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2012, 06:39:26 PM »
I saw the movie last night in Nashville and stayed for the discussion afterwards and fellowship even later at a nearby restaurant.  The movie was great, awesome, one that I will recommend to friends and family!

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Re: Movie "Hellbound?" In theaters starting Sept 12!!
« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2012, 07:05:45 PM »
When I saw the thread title, I thought, oh boy, another cheesy horror movie.  How wrong I was!  I'll get the DVD when I can, and maybe show it locally...
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Re: Movie "Hellbound?" In theaters starting Sept 12!!
« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2012, 07:58:58 PM »
This is exciting, I might try and get all of my friends together to watch it with me when it comes out on DVD. Can someone let me know when it becomes available?
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Re: Movie "Hellbound?" In theaters starting Sept 12!!
« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2012, 12:09:43 AM »
Yes, I thought it would be great to host the movie out our homes. It sounds like it is a great catalyst for discussion. Here is a short review by pastor Peter Hiett of The Sanctuary Downtown, Denver:

"In Hellbound Kevin Miller does a wonderful job of framing the arguments and passions surrounding the controversial doctrine of Eternal Torment. The movie is a documentary meant to raise as many questions as it answers. In producing the movie, Miller interviews pastors, theologians, and scholars coming from a variety of camps and perspectives. For those who want a nice tight exegetical and theological conclusion to all of their questions, this movie will probably leave them dissatisfied. No one can agree with all of the movie, for the movie isn't meant to agree with itself. But for those that want to understand the "lay of the land" and then dig in to Scripture and Church History on their own, this is a wonderful resource. Most people don't even know how to begin to discuss the issues surrounding the doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment. I think Hellbound, will go a long way in furthering meaningful discourse."

We will be posting more reviews of the movie as they come in: www.godslovewins.com
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Re: Movie "Hellbound?" In theaters starting Sept 12!!
« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2012, 03:14:20 AM »
I saw the movie last night in Nashville and stayed for the discussion afterwards and fellowship even later at a nearby restaurant.  The movie was great, awesome, one that I will recommend to friends and family!

Hey sherman, do you live in the Nashville area, I live in shelbyville, tn
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Re: Movie "Hellbound?" In theaters starting Sept 12!!
« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2012, 04:34:03 AM »
Just realized Kevin Miller lives a 1/2 hr away in the middle of the bible belt here. I'm going to see if I can chat with him.

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Re: Movie "Hellbound?" In theaters starting Sept 12!!
« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2012, 05:59:16 AM »
Kevin Miller is Canadian actually, from Abbotsford, BC. But perhaps he is coming through your town during the movie tour. Hope you get to meet him!
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Re: Movie "Hellbound?" In theaters starting Sept 12!!
« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2012, 08:54:51 AM »
There is a new post on our website regarding Mark Driscoll's interview in the Hellbound? movie. Driscoll said:

"It's not a problem to ask questions but sometimes when certain questions are asked it's by someone who's a coward and doesn't have the conviction to declare their answer."  Mark Driscoll in "Hellbound?"

http://godslovewins.com/blog/hellbound-and-mark-driscoll-on-asking-questions/

What do you think of his statement?
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Re: Movie "Hellbound?" In theaters starting Sept 12!!
« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2012, 09:07:13 AM »
I think it's horribly mean and really kudos to Rob Bell for coming out with his book. I'm sure he knew he was going to be devoured by wolves and he certainly has been. He is not in the least bit a coward, on the contrary he is one brave soul. Anyone who is encouraging others to think for themselves in these matters should be applauded.
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Re: Movie "Hellbound?" In theaters starting Sept 12!!
« Reply #16 on: September 17, 2012, 09:16:23 AM »
What do you think of his statement?
Statement of cornered coward that knows his doctrine will scatter  into 666 pieces if he has the guts to answer the questions.
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Re: Movie "Hellbound?" In theaters starting Sept 12!!
« Reply #17 on: September 17, 2012, 03:47:56 PM »
Yes indeed WW. And so I guess Jesus was a coward since He asked so many questions and often refused to give His answers.[

I think it's horribly mean and really kudos to Rob Bell for coming out with his book. I'm sure he knew he was going to be devoured by wolves and he certainly has been. He is not in the least bit a coward, on the contrary he is one brave soul. Anyone who is encouraging others to think for themselves in these matters should be applauded.

Exactly. it has always taken the most courage to question the status-quo and the powers that be.
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Re: Movie "Hellbound?" In theaters starting Sept 12!!
« Reply #18 on: September 17, 2012, 06:59:01 PM »
I saw the movie last night in Nashville and stayed for the discussion afterwards and fellowship even later at a nearby restaurant.  The movie was great, awesome, one that I will recommend to friends and family!

Hey sherman, do you live in the Nashville area, I live in shelbyville, tn

Hey jugghead, yes, I live in White House, just North of Nashville, about 2 hours from you.  I'd enjoy meeting you some time, maybe in Franklin or Brentwood for lunch or something!  best way to contact me would be sherman.nobles@gmail.com.

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« Reply #19 on: September 17, 2012, 08:52:01 PM »
so I got a hold of kevin...we will meet first week of october.Noticed some of his other works seem pretty tough the way they come across...wonder if he's been burnt by the church? :icon_king:

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Re: Movie "Hellbound?" In theaters starting Sept 12!!
« Reply #20 on: September 21, 2012, 02:05:54 AM »
 onlytruth--That is cool that you will get to meet Kevin Miller! Let us know how it goes...

Today at Christianity Today Mark Galli reviewed "Hellbound?" For a link to both the review and our response to Galli's review see here:

http://godslovewins.com/blog/mark-galli-responds-to-hellbound/

Not sure it was a fair review...what do you all think?
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Re: Movie "Hellbound?" In theaters starting Sept 12!!
« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2012, 07:21:47 AM »
Mark does what he accuses other of. He ridicules the Westboro members but doesn't state his beliefs. 99.99999% in hell is wrong but he avoided giving his Scriptually supported percentage.

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In fact, the Bible gives us a picture of a God who is almighty and vulnerable, Lord and friend, judge and gracious, hater of sin and forgiver of sin. We see this especially in the life and ministry of Jesus, God incarnate. He graciously accepts the woman caught in adultery, and violently drives blasphemers out of the Temple area, with a whip no less. He calls to himself all those who are weary and heavy laden, promising rest, and tells others that if they follow him, it will mean nothing but suffering and death. He lifts up an inspiring vision of the kingdom of heaven while warning people about the curse of hell.
The above quote is the only part of the article where Mark attempts to refute the movie with references to Scripture.

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In fact, the Bible gives us a picture of a God who is almighty and vulnerable
Almighty and vulnerable are opposites. God can't be both.
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Lord and friend, judge and gracious, hater of sin and forgiver of sin.
While I agree with that quote I likely disagree with the intended meaning of "judge". All ETs I know about equal judgement to hell. The see  God as a judge that only has 2 rulings. Eternal bliss or eternal suffering. No in betweens.
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and violently drives blasphemers out of the Temple area, with a whip no less.
Mark forgets to mention Jesus didn't chase them forever. Neither did he mention Jesus forgave those who tortured Him to death while they didn't repent in even the slightest way.
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it will mean nothing but suffering and death.
Suffering and death. Not death and suffering. Neither does Jesus say it's eternal suffering.


So are Mark's claims correct? Without having seen the movie I think the answer is yes. The UR/ET debate presented by UR people is just as biased as the same controvesy presented by ET people.
Does the movie take a scholary approach? Again I mention I haven't seen the movie; but I think it's impossible. The only scholary approach is  discussing truckloads of verses, Greek and Hebrew words.
Interviewing scholars, as Mark suggested, from whatever denomination isn't a scholary approach. Scholars giving an opinion is just that, an opnion. Scholarship, for me, comes with lots of verses. Would Mark be convinced if a Westboro top scholar states 99.9999% of all people go to hell? I think Mark is more wise than that.
A movie simply isn't the correct medium for a scholary approach. It's more for bringing a message/opinion across and tickle intrest to study deeper.
Again without having seen the movie I suggest something that perhaps already has been done.
Create a website and point to statements made in the movie. Like at 1:03:56  Philip said ..... He bases that view on <long scholarly view follows>


So Philip, how do you like my review of a movie I never saw? :LH:
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« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2012, 08:57:18 PM »
Hey WW, I like your "review" and you are probably spot on as it actually leaves one with more questions than answers and simply gives you the "lay of the land" (as one person said) as far as the diversity of views found within the Church. Yes, I agree a movie is not the venue for scholarly treatises but like you said rather to spark interest in the topic. People need to study and learn to think themselves in a community open to hearing their questions (yeah...ha!).

But perhaps most of all there needs to be a humility and a willingness to be wrong in order to be in a place where the Spirit will speak. Jesus said "because you say you can see, you are therefore blind."

Frank Schaeffer wrote a post aimed at Mark Galli's review. I left the following comment because I could see how the debate was escalating and ire was rising and mud was flinging. While I totally disagree with Galli's review I no longer see this issue as the liberals against the conservatives etc., but as one Body needing to see itself as ONE Body. That is what our websites are about as we are incorporating all the Body and, because of this, we are seeing its ONE message: the restoration of all.  Anyway here is the comment:

What if it is required for us all to admit being wrong in order to be right, together? What if we are all heretics that need each other in order to stop being heretics and find "true truth"? Maybe this "true truth" remains illusive as long as we write off our brethren. Perhaps being called the "Body of Christ" implies very different and diverse parts that must work together in order to function? Did God build this interdependence into His Body just as He did our physical bodies?

What if we joined together everything we each treasure about the gospel and heard it all at one time in one place? Would we not hear about the God who is both all-loving and all-powerful who came to undo the doing of Adam, saving us from our condition of sin and death in order to restore and heal His entire creation? (Arminian, Calvinism, "conservative", "liberal")

As much as I disagree with Mark Galli I have also been helped enormously by some of his ideas. The same can be said of those who oppose Galli. So why does there have to be a villain in this Story? Maybe 'some of us is not as wise as all of us' and we desperately need each other in order to find the good news in the Gospel.Was this what Jesus was after in His prayer in John 17 "That they may be one ...that the world may know."?

Two books I found invaluable are Kathryn Schulz's book "Being Wrong" and Brian Zahnd's "Beauty Will Save the World." Would the world find this caustic debate beautiful? As Zahnd asks: Is not what is most beautiful our savior's words, "Father forgive them, they know not what they are doing?" Maybe we all need to start with understanding that our brothers and sisters who oppose us "know not what they are doing." According to Jesus it appears that forgiveness is where "true truth" begins. So maybe we won't ever be right until we all admit we are wrong.


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Re: Movie "Hellbound?" In theaters starting Sept 12!!
« Reply #23 on: September 22, 2012, 06:44:36 AM »
This reflects the truth of John 17......That you may be one even as I and the Father are one......That the world may know that you are my disciples.

Somewhere between ecumenicism and the body of Christ there is a truth that we must find about union and brotherly love. It is elusive but it is the vein of gold that makes all the digging worthwhile.....and it is NOT the salvation of all or any other particular doctrine......it is the mystery we speak among the mature, a revelation that we are one, members of each other in union with the Head- that is where the "gathering of all things together into one in Christ BEGINS IN REALITY- not in the gnostic awareness of the objective truth of it.

Let no one defraud you by acting as an umpire and declaring you unworthy and disqualifying you for the prize, insisting on self-abasement and worship of angels, taking his stand on visions [he claims] he has seen, vainly puffed up by his sensuous notions and inflated by his unspiritual thoughts and fleshly conceit,
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Re: Movie "Hellbound?" In theaters starting Sept 12!!
« Reply #24 on: September 22, 2012, 09:44:06 AM »
I agree and the best thing to know is that JESUS prayed for this unity so it is not entirely elusive. I believe Jesus will get what He prayed for!

You are right, it won't be a certain doctrine that we will be centered around but I do believe it will be a synthesis of all that we treasure from each member of the Body of Christ which will reflect the facets of His nature more gloriously than we ever imagined.  I think the unity will come on account of a vision of Christ and Him crucified and risen for us. All the "pieces" of our particular point of views will be inconsequential as we behold Him as He is and worship. That in and of itself will align our hearts with Him and therefore with each other.

Oh Lord, bring it on!
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