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Offline WhiteWings

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Re: John 10:16 and Matthew 7:14... hmmmmm.
« Reply #25 on: August 23, 2009, 04:25:37 PM »
bless your heart.


Seriously, stop pretending to actually like me.   If you do not change how you believe then you will one day convince yourself that God has prepared me for eternal hell.  I have met enough of you people to know that you will actually justify your own hate because you become deluded that God hates me like a human being.

So knock it off.


I told WW that coglee has a crush on him,
(must have overlooked that message)
Anyway good that I didn't read it just after lunch.

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Don't worry Paul! I graciously step back. He's all yours!
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1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: John 10:16 and Matthew 7:14... hmmmmm.
« Reply #26 on: August 23, 2009, 05:01:58 PM »
bless your heart.


Seriously, stop pretending to actually like me.   If you do not change how you believe then you will one day convince yourself that God has prepared me for eternal hell.  I have met enough of you people to know that you will actually justify your own hate because you become deluded that God hates me like a human being.

So knock it off.


I told WW that coglee has a crush on him,
(must have overlooked that message)
Anyway good that I didn't read it just after lunch.

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now it seems WW has some competition!
Don't worry Paul! I graciously step back. He's all yours!
 :mblush:


Just when I evaded my last stalker......

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Re: John 10:16 and Matthew 7:14... hmmmmm.
« Reply #27 on: August 23, 2009, 07:36:21 PM »
Hey all my UR pals,

John 10:16

16 "I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd.

Notice Jesus does not say "All people" and "Every unbeliever" are His sheep. Just the ones that hear His voice. Otherwise he could not distinguish unbelievers as GOATS in Matthew 25:31-46. Jesus does not say the Sheep and the Goats will become one flock, eventually. If "all people", including the GOATS, would eventually become His sheep  this would be the time to say so, but Jesus does not. Hmmmmmmm. But the UR wants you to believe this. I think I will trust Jesus.


Matthew 7:14 " For the gate is SMALL AND the WAY is narrow that leads to life, and there ARE FEW WHO FIND IT."

Notice that Jesus says "FEW" who find this life. If "All" find this life eventually, Jesus would say so, but He does not. Jesus is very clear "Few" find it. But the UR wants you to believe "All" will find this life. Hmmmmm. I think I will trust Jesus.



The few that found life through the cramped gate of the law were indeed few in number . . . just a few. But Jesus was not talking about *eternal* life but the life pertaining to the kingdom that a few found it.

Also, individual people are not considered sheep or goats in Matthew 25:31-46 but NATIONS.

And lastly, Jesus never spoke of the new earth age or eon. He was concerned with this life and the life of the age to come (the 1000 year age on the earth). His sheep and other sheep not of the fold He was presently addressing was addressed by Peter in his epistles in the dispersion (1 Peter 1:1).
So, of course there were many millions of people in Jesus' day who were not of His sheep and did not hear His voice and will not be saved in this eon or in the impending eon. But He addresses what will happen with these millions and billions of people through His chosen apostle Paul who tells us all mankind will be saved.
Just because God says He will save all mankind
does not necessarily mean He won't.

HartleyDamboiseII

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Re: John 10:16 and Matthew 7:14... hmmmmm.
« Reply #28 on: August 23, 2009, 07:47:56 PM »
I am quite sure that lee100 has no idea that there IS a differance between the differant groups you/we are talking about.

How strange it is to try to get followers of the old system of "Religion" to see that he is quoting out of a book that was addressed ONLY to the Circumcision people and had nothing to do with our times "this age".

Maybe we all are a little lax in assuming that this person sees/understands/ or even recognizes the "common language we use". or those that get it--All in All

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Re: John 10:16 and Matthew 7:14... hmmmmm.
« Reply #29 on: September 21, 2009, 01:25:25 PM »
Hey all my UR pals,

John 10:16

16 "I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd.

Notice Jesus does not say "All people" and "Every unbeliever" are His sheep. Just the ones that hear His voice. Otherwise he could not distinguish unbelievers as GOATS in Matthew 25:31-46. Jesus does not say the Sheep and the Goats will become one flock, eventually. If "all people", including the GOATS, would eventually become His sheep  this would be the time to say so, but Jesus does not. Hmmmmmmm. But the UR wants you to believe this. I think I will trust Jesus.


Matthew 7:14 " For the gate is SMALL AND the WAY is narrow that leads to life, and there ARE FEW WHO FIND IT."

Notice that Jesus says "FEW" who find this life. If "All" find this life eventually, Jesus would say so, but He does not. Jesus is very clear "Few" find it. But the UR wants you to believe "All" will find this life. Hmmmmm. I think I will trust Jesus.



when you said "few" which Jesus's save is powerless to save people because of free wills

You said you trust Jesus, but you called him a failure.