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Just what do you mean, " The Rest of God."
« on: April 16, 2008, 01:02:08 PM »


You know I don't get around the board and comment on other post that often, I try to stay out of conversations more than I try to get in them, because I know I see things so differently and I don't really want to disrupt things. I recently read here that a brother was experiencing troubles and he was being advised to just rest. A very common human thing to do, which seems like the right thing to do. In Spiritual matters, is it really the right thing to do, or is it even possible to " Rest Spiritually?" Or even more, is it something we are called to do?

I kind of like the movie " The Wizard of Oz", I have seen it many, many times. The Movie feeds me so much Spiritually, as do many fables. One scene in particular was when the young lady and her companions had energectically come out of the woods and the Wizards castle was in sight. They were on the yellow brick road and moving toward their goal. Excited and singing, running and jumping. But the wicked witch of the west wanted to slow them down and stop them. So the witch constructed a very percise and deadly deception. She caused a whole feild of bueatiful flowers, poppys, to grow everywhere. They were lovely to the eye, big and red and yellow, just alluring and magnectic to the senses. One the one hand, it was lovely, but on the other, they were deadly. They drew in the eyes and stimulated the nose, but when smelled, they made them  go to sleep. Thats how the witch wanted to slow them down, cause them to rest and lull them into a sleep.

When I read the advise to the brother, this is what crossed my mind, the offer to go to sleep. Take a rest, relax, take it easy, all alluring poppy terms. Why not rest, we all need it. But is physical rest the same thing as Spiritual rest? Is there even such a thing as Spiritual rest? I want to start in Hebrews 3, where this rest theology has taken its root.

Peace.

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Re: Just what do you mean, " The Rest of God."
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2008, 02:00:23 PM »


In Hebrews 3:11, 18, 4:1, 3, 4-5, 8-11 the term Rest is used and refered to. In 3:11,  it is refering to the generation that came out of Egypt and didnot enter into " The Canaan Rest." Physical Rest. In 3:18 it references" They shallnot enter " His Rest", which is a reference to Gods resting after the Genesis creation, as does 4:1, 3, and 4-5. Vs.8 is refering to a physical rest, but vs. 9 now mentions a " Sabbath Rest." Vs.10 " The one who has entered his rest has himself rested " From his Works", as God did from his. Then vs.11 says to be dilligent to enter that rest.

3 things should be clear here, the rest of God, the physical rest of Canaan, and the Sabbath rest, which is a period of physical rest after a longer period of work. And I want to go into each one of these things.  Peace.

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Re: Just what do you mean, " The Rest of God."
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2008, 06:29:42 PM »


 First I want to deal with what God " Resting" means, because I think this is misunderstood. In Gen.2:2 it says God rested on the seventh day from all the work that he had done. I think it is erroneous or in error to assume that God rested because he was tired. That would suggest that he can become worn down, which means he could be drained of energy, and thus needs to recharge himself. So the rest he took was not a period of drain or renewal, because he he memorialized the seventh day, but not in honor of him resting , it was in honor of him completting the creation of the earth. Why would God give honor to a day because he rested on it? Too much imphesis has been put on that. Besides, in vs. 4 he is immediately going back to work anyway.

When God rested, it means he was in a state of Spiritual ease and Tranquility. It does not mean he was tired. Look at Psalms 121:3-4, this clearly states that God never slumbers or sleeps. Explain to yourself how is it that a being who never slumbers, which means to get drowsy or be in a state of inactivity, and never sleeps,  can get tired and thus need rest. No God was in a state of becomming motionless, he stopped his output of enormous energy and seperated the seventhday from the other six days by putting his blessing on it, something that God does from time to time, he will bless things. And thats what " The Rest" means, that which is left after the seperation of " A part of the other things." This " Rest of God", has absolutely nothing to do with this " Rest Theology" that many are floating on now, absolutely nothing.

Next I want to go into what the " Rest of Canaan is." Peace.

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Re: Just what do you mean, " The Rest of God."
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2008, 06:41:49 PM »
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But the wicked witch of the west wanted to slow them down and stop them. So the witch constructed a very percise and deadly deception. She caused a whole feild of bueatiful flowers, poppys, to grow everywhere. They were lovely to the eye, big and red and yellow, just alluring and magnectic to the senses. One the one hand, it was lovely, but on the other, they were deadly. They drew in the eyes and stimulated the nose, but when smelled, they made them  go to sleep. Thats how the witch wanted to slow them down, cause them to rest and lull them into a sleep.

When I read the advise to the brother, this is what crossed my mind, the offer to go to sleep. Take a rest, relax, take it easy, all alluring poppy terms. Why not rest, we all need it. But is physical rest the same thing as Spiritual rest? Is there even such a thing as Spiritual rest? I want to start in Hebrews 3, where this rest theology has taken its root.


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Mickiel...

Are you trying to put the red ink all over my words again, brother?

What is the point of this post?

I am the one who talked about "rest".

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When I say that I believe you should "rest"... and let him lead you to the still waters, I am saying to take it easy. To quietly, in the stillness of your heart, contemplate what it means that all are saved. To, instead of feeling like you have to "DO" something at this moment, or that you have to figure out what to do about church or other believers or even what your family is thinking right now...

to Just put ALL of that aside.

and to slow down.
and peacefully contemplate just what it means...
that all are saved.
allow yourself the quiet time to explore the profoundness of it all.
That our God is a God of PEACE and LOVE.
and nothing else.
HE *IS* LOVE.

You don't have to rush out and find all the answers and figure out the giant puzzle of life right now.
For now, I personally feel you should have a time of rest.

A time to allow His love to personally fill you..
in the stillness of the moment.
In the quietness of your own mind.

You know how sometimes when you're concentrating really hard and your forehead is all wrinkled up and you have this sorta grim look on your face. And then you catch a glimpse of yourself in the mirror?!  laughing7 You instantly relax your forehead and your whole face kinda relaxes for a minute... That's what I'm talking about..

Just rest for a spell.
Go out and sit outside when you can and look at His creation.
Think about how much more beautiful it is now knowing that all people are brothers and sisters...
and that God loves ALL of us. With a passion, none of us have ever humanly felt..

Just rest, brother.
Let yourself slowly be immersed in the wonder of it all...
He is right beside you leading you to the still waters..

The rest of the stuff will come later..
but for now,
just rest.

Now anyone reading what I wrote above should realize that I said rest "for a SPELL" (oh dear, I just wrote "spell"... more fuel for your "witch" analogy.) And what kind of "rest" I was referring to. A temporary time out, to quiet himself and let God fill His heart with love. To just ponder for a little while, the profound meaning behind the fact that ALL are saved and ALL are brothers and sisters. CONTEMPLATE, and rest in His loving arms for awhile... and be refreshed.

It's fine if you want to explore something... but don't do it at the expense of applying YOUR meanings to other people's words. It's really not a very nice thing to do to a sister...

peace,
sparrow
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Re: Just what do you mean, " The Rest of God."
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2008, 06:47:14 PM »

The Rest that God took is a memorial of the Work he had done, it was not a space of time he needed to recharge or somehow be renewed. Gods Rest is an honor of his Work, God sanctified his Work, Gods rest has to do with an uplifting of something he had done, not a Holy period of doing nothing. But people have gone off in the direction and thinking that doing nothing was his focus, and I think have just misunderstood the whole meaning of what " Entering into Gods Rest" really means. To enter into Gods Rest means to enter into an area that concerns the Work of God, but I am getting ahead of myself and getting anxious, even in our writting or witness, we should be anxious for nothing, because more than often, nothing comes of it.

Peace.

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Re: Just what do you mean, " The Rest of God."
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2008, 06:53:29 PM »
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It's fine if you want to explore something... but don't do it at the expense of applying YOUR meanings to other people's words. It's really not a very nice thing to do to a sister...

peace,
sparrow

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Don't misunderstand Sparrow, this has been something that I have seen comming out of many, not just what little you said about it. I am not looking into this because of you, nor doing it at your expense, no. So that this will be clear, I am not entering into this topic because of Sparrows words,  I am explaining what I believe Gods Word means, and I will give all of those scriptures along the way. The breif conversation I had with you Sparrow, only sparked an intrest I already had before.

Peace.

Mickiel

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Re: Just what do you mean, " The Rest of God."
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2008, 07:14:59 PM »


I want to go into the Rest of Canaan, where Israel was headed after going through the wilderness. In Psalms 95: 9-11;" When your Fathers tested me, they tried me, though they had seen " My Work", For 40 years I loathed that generation, and said they are a people who err in their heart, and they do not know my ways. Therefore they shall " Not enter into My Rest." Now the Rest here, is far different than the Rest in Genesis, I think that should be obvious. But there are simularities, the common simularity is that the place in Canaan was a place that God had " Worked on", or prepared for Israel to abide in and live there.

But God called it " His Rest". Enter into his Rest. Now was God giving them this land to just go there and do nothing? Of course not, but it very easy to think that he was giving them heaven on earth and dumping them into this land like sheep, to just graze and get fat off of the land. Espically if your concept of Heaven is that they do nothing but enjoy the peace and tranquility. So what did God mean by " Entering into his rest?  And I want to get into that. Peace.

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Re: Just what do you mean, " The Rest of God."
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2008, 08:14:53 PM »


The purpose of this post is to show what God means by " Entering into his Rest", nothingelse. Entering into Gods Rest concerns more of a connotation of Work, than it does relaxation, but most belief in this area has gravitated toward the relaxation connotation, which is understandable, and more attractive. Entering into Gods Rest means that you have entered into an area that " God has Worked on", and now he expects YOU to work on it. Thats what God meant in Psalms 95:9-11. He said Israel had " Seen his Work", but they err in their heart by not " Knowing his ways." And thats why we misunderstand scripture as often as we do, because we don't know Gods ways.

It takes no theological degree to understand that God gave Israel the Land of Canaan , their paradise on earth, in order to " Work the Land", and that Work was an important part of Gods Rest, just as the Work that God did in creating the Universe was just as an important part of his Rest. In John 5:17, again Jesus;" My Father is Working until now, and I myself am Working." Not only did God keep right on working after the Creation of the Universe, he still to this day is Working, because thats what he is all about.

Entering into Gods rest means you are moving into an area of Work, not some kind of " No Work Zone." What do you think is going on in Heaven? You think God is Working, Jesus is Working, so that they can introduce us to a Life of Not Working? You think it makes sense to spend eternity not Working? Well I think many , many people have got a very big surprise comming to them. Entering into Gods Rest means you are now INVOLVED in Working with God! But let me go into the Sabbath Rest for a bit and I will get back to this.  Peace.

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Re: Just what do you mean, " The Rest of God."
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2008, 09:22:13 PM »


You know I am not a work-a-holic, and I am not suggesting that God is. I think every single human being who gets tired should then rest. But its this connotation of " Spiritual Rest" that bothers me. As if being a sinner is work, and being converted is rest, and no work or sin is involved after conversion. I think that is a very serious misconception which can lead believers into " Poppy Land" and lull them asleep. And I think a complette misunderstanding of what the Sabbath day meant is one of the roots of this misinterpitation. If you examine every recorded words of Jesus concerning the Sabbath, ALL of them were Spoken  in the context of " Doing things", never did he suggest resting, he defended working on the Sabbath. Matt.12:3-8, 11-12, 24:20, Mark 2:27-28, Luke 6:5, 6:9, 13:15-16, 14:3,5, and John 7:22-23, all of these recorded words of Jesus either defend working and doing things on the Sabbath, or reveals his Authority over the Sabbath, NONE of them even hint at some kind of human resting.

So this resting theology didNOT come from Christ, it just didnot. If someone disagrees with this, then kindly produce to me the Scriptures where Jesus even suggested that the Sabbath is about humans resting, or some kind of " Spiritual Rest." I am egar to read them. But I want to get a little further into the Sabbath day and how it was done away with anyhow. And then how people are trying to tie in the sabbathday, Gods resting during Creation, and Canaan entering into Gods rest, and the book of Hebrews to create and support this conception of a " Spiritual Rest."  Peace.

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Re: Just what do you mean, " The Rest of God."
« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2008, 09:18:35 AM »


Jesus in Matthews 11: 28-30;" Come to me all who are heavy laden and weary and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you shall find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy, my load is light." There are two ways to interpit these verses. The " Rest Mentality" will see rest in this. The attraction is to give everything to Christ and let him carry it for you, and you just rest. That is so not what Jesus is plainly saying here.

He said to " Take his Yoke upon you." That means he wants you to carry something " With Him." A Yoke is something that binds two things together, weather it be animals or people, and then they share the load together. To put a Yoke on, means you are attached together and must share the load. You are then a " Yoke Fellow", one associated with another in Labor, any dictionary will reveal this to you. The rest that Jesus was refering to was to " Work with him." And his Work is easy, the Load he carrys, which now you will help carry, is Light.

Now it is so easy to miss this, if your view of entering into Gods Rest, holds a misconception of what that means, your going to look at the wrong interpitation of what this " Rest Means." It means to enter into Labor with Christ and help him carry his Load. You take his Yoke upon you. It does not mean that you throw all your sins at his feet and never worry about them again. It does not mean that you can take it easy, give no effort to Overcome your Sin, and just start playing your Spiritual Harp and live as if your free from doing anything in this War. You just sit there in bliss while a war is rageing around you. Christ wants you to help him carry this Load with him, and actively  learn from him.

Anyhow, I want to go a little bit into the Sabbath.  Peace.

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Re: Just what do you mean, " The Rest of God."
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2008, 06:37:38 PM »

I have changed my mind about going into the Sabbath, its really something that no longer intrest me. I actually stuided the Sabbath for 10 years, and to this day, I don't think I can properly explain it. A few years back I could have wrote a book on it, but my intrest and views on it have simply died, been done away with. If others wish to, let them go into it. I think I have said enough about this Rest thing and how people are trying to change entering into the Rest of God to mean that they do less and Christ does more. Entering into Gods Rest is not a " Spiritualization of your lazyness", or placing all your burdens on Christ and watching him bear the cross alone. Entering into Gods Rest is to take Jesus yoke and Burdens upon yourself and to actively help him to carry his Yoke.

His burden is easy and his Load is Light. His Burden and Yoke is to proclaim this Gospel truth to this world, to be a witness of it. That burden is easy because all you have to do is open your mouth and talk. Its easy because all you need to do is to be willing to give others this information. And sadly so many of us are not willing to do that, so we " Spiritualize the Burden" into meaning that Christ does all that himself, and we only talk to each other about this truth. I think we do that because of sin. The sin of not listening to the Spirit when it comes, the sin of establishing your own righteousness, believing your own interpitation, and not submitting to the things that you think would be too much work.

So I close this post out by saying this witness: To enter into Gods rest means to become actively involved in the Work of God. It means to work on the gifts that he has given you. He gave Israel land to work, that was his gift to them. He gives those few now he is dealing with understanding and belief, and that is the gifts to be worked on. Many beliefs that are not of Gods influence has crept into many groups, causeing them to hold back. Even making them believe it is " Spiritual to Withdraw", going into all kinds of rest theology and neglecting the gifts that are within them.  Peace.