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valueallhumanlife2008

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John Wesley, a universalist???
« on: September 09, 2008, 07:19:34 AM »
I never would've thought so, but I got this from wikipedia and I know wikipedia isn't always reliable.

 "John Wesley, the founder of Methodism, became sympathetic to the teaching of universal reconciliation and embraced it near the end of his life."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Universalism

Anyone have any comments or information on this?

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Re: John Wesley, a universalist???
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2008, 07:34:41 AM »
Yeah, John Wesley was a Universalist towards the latter part of his life.  Best, best of friends with Elhanan Winchester the last part of his life.  Basically bothered about it from his Cambridge days when he was a part of the Holy Club.  He challenged Sir George Stonehouse to put his views in writing on the Universal Restoration.  And then when he had a chance to read it, he claimed it would take too much of his precious time to write a refutation (i.e. his first big shock about UR being Scriptural :laughing7:).  He left money with a printer that was supposed to publish a manuscript for him [posthumously] in which he defended the Universal Restoration Scripturally, but I've never found evidence that it ever got published.  He oversaw the publication of some blatantly UR materials during his lifetime though.

John Wesley's commentary was obviously a growth over many years, that he never got to go back and edit for consistency, so that although he's "disappointing" on Romans 5:18, Philippians 3:21, and Colossians 1:20, yet there are suggestions of his changing views, or his growing boldness regarding his views, over the years.

Extracts from John Wesley's Explanatory Notes:

Ephesians 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

That in the dispensation of the fullness of the times In this last administration of God's fullest grace, which took place when the time appointed was fully come.

He might gather together into one in Christ Might recapitulate, re-unite, and place in order again under Christ, their common Head.

All things which are in heaven, and on earth All angels and men, whether living or dead, in the Lord.


2Corinthians 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

And all these new things are from God, considered under this very notion, as reconciling us - The world, 2Corinthians 5:19, to himself.

2Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Namely The sum of which is, God - The whole Godhead, but more eminently God the Father.

Was in Christ, reconciling the world Which was before at enmity with God.

To himself So taking away that enmity, which could no otherwise be removed than by the blood of the Son of God.
 

Revelation 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

And every creature In the whole universe, good or bad.

In the heaven, on the earth, under the earth, on the sea With these four regions of the world, agrees the fourfold word of praise. What is in heaven, says blessing; what is on earth, honour; what is under the earth, glory: what is on the sea, strength; is unto him. This praise from all creatures begins before the opening of the first seal; but it continues from that time to eternity, according to the capacity of each. His enemies must acknowledge his glory; but those in heaven say, Blessed be God and the Lamb. This royal manifesto is, as it were, a proclamation, showing how Christ fulfils all things, and "every knee bows to him," not only on earth, but also in heaven, and under the earth. This book exhausts all things, 1 Corinthians 15:27,28, and is suitable to an heart enlarged as the sand of the sea. It inspires the attentive and intelligent reader with such a magnanimity, that he accounts nothing in this world great; no, not the whole frame of visible nature, compared to the immense greatness of what he is here called to behold, yea, and in part, to inherit. St. John has in view, through the whole following vision, what he has been now describing, namely, the four living creatures, the elders, the angels, and all creatures, looking together at the opening of the seven seals.
 

1Corinthians 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

The Son also shall be subject Shall deliver up the mediatorial kingdom. That the three-one God may be all in all - All things, (consequently all persons,) without any interruption, without the intervention of any creature, without the opposition of any enemy, shall be subordinate to God. All shall say, "My God, and my all." This is the end. Even an inspired apostle can see nothing beyond this.

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Re: John Wesley, a universalist???
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2008, 07:36:57 AM »
Yep there is a lot of evidence for this. :)