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UR in Old Books
« on: December 08, 2012, 07:18:26 AM »
Lately I've read in two novels (I believe both from the 1800's) some really interesting UR things.  Tonight I read this and wanted to share it.  It's from The Tenant of Wildfell Hall by English author Anne Brontė, published in 1848 under the pseudonym Acton Bell.  It's not a "religious book", and this just really jumped out at me. 

The heroin is wanting to get married to a man of whom her aunt disapproves.  Here's a part of their conversation;

"... his Maker has endowed him with reason and conscience as well as the rest of us; the Scriptures are open to him as well as to others; - and "if he hear not them, neither will he hear though one rose from the dead." And remember, Helen,' continued she, solemnly, '"the wicked shall be turned into hell, and they that forget God!"' And suppose, even, that he should continue to love you, and you him, and that you should pass through life together with tolerable comfort - how will it be in the end, when you see yourselves parted for ever; you, perhaps, taken into eternal bliss, and he cast into the lake that burneth with unquenchable fire - there for ever to - '

'Not for ever,' I exclaimed, '"only till he has paid the uttermost farthing;" for "if any man's work abide not the fire, he shall suffer loss, yet himself shall be saved, but so as by fire;" and He that "is able to subdue all things to Himself will have all men to be saved," and "will, in the fulness of time, gather together in one all things in Christ Jesus, who tasted death for every man, and in whom God will reconcile all things to Himself, whether they be things in earth or things in heaven."'

'Oh, Helen! where did you learn all this?'

'In the Bible, aunt. I have searched it through, and found nearly thirty passages, all tending to support the same theory.'

'And is that the use you make of your Bible? And did you find no passages tending to prove the danger and the falsity of such a belief?'

'No: I found, indeed, some passages that, taken by themselves, might seem to contradict that opinion; but they will all bear a different construction to that which is commonly given, and in most the only difficulty is in the word which we translate "everlasting" or "eternal." I don't know the Greek, but I believe it strictly means for ages, and might signify either endless or long-enduring. And as for the danger of the belief, I would not publish it abroad if I thought any poor wretch would be likely to presume upon it to his own destruction, but it is a glorious thought to cherish in one's own heart, and I would not part with it for all the world can give!'

Pretty cool!   :gimmefive:


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Re: UR in Old Books
« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2012, 08:20:18 AM »
Lately I've read in two novels (I believe both from the 1800's) some really interesting UR things.  Tonight I read this and wanted to share it.  It's from The Tenant of Wildfell Hall by English author Anne Brontė, published in 1848 under the pseudonym Acton Bell.  It's not a "religious book", and this just really jumped out at me. 

The heroin is wanting to get married to a man of whom her aunt disapproves.  Here's a part of their conversation;

"... his Maker has endowed him with reason and conscience as well as the rest of us; the Scriptures are open to him as well as to others; - and "if he hear not them, neither will he hear though one rose from the dead." And remember, Helen,' continued she, solemnly, '"the wicked shall be turned into hell, and they that forget God!"' And suppose, even, that he should continue to love you, and you him, and that you should pass through life together with tolerable comfort - how will it be in the end, when you see yourselves parted for ever; you, perhaps, taken into eternal bliss, and he cast into the lake that burneth with unquenchable fire - there for ever to - '

'Not for ever,' I exclaimed, '"only till he has paid the uttermost farthing;" for "if any man's work abide not the fire, he shall suffer loss, yet himself shall be saved, but so as by fire;" and He that "is able to subdue all things to Himself will have all men to be saved," and "will, in the fulness of time, gather together in one all things in Christ Jesus, who tasted death for every man, and in whom God will reconcile all things to Himself, whether they be things in earth or things in heaven."'

'Oh, Helen! where did you learn all this?'

'In the Bible, aunt. I have searched it through, and found nearly thirty passages, all tending to support the same theory.'

'And is that the use you make of your Bible? And did you find no passages tending to prove the danger and the falsity of such a belief?'

'No: I found, indeed, some passages that, taken by themselves, might seem to contradict that opinion; but they will all bear a different construction to that which is commonly given, and in most the only difficulty is in the word which we translate "everlasting" or "eternal." I don't know the Greek, but I believe it strictly means for ages, and might signify either endless or long-enduring. And as for the danger of the belief, I would not publish it abroad if I thought any poor wretch would be likely to presume upon it to his own destruction, but it is a glorious thought to cherish in one's own heart, and I would not part with it for all the world can give!'

Pretty cool!   :gimmefive:
An excellent post!! We don't believe in the Lord just to escape God's wrath. We believe, give thanks and praise and worship to the Lord, because He is our Lord and Savior: He is everybody's Lord and Savior---"For it is written, As I live, says the Lord, Every knee shall bow to Me, AND EVERY TONGUE SHALL GIVE PRAISE TO GOD" Romans 14:11 NASB. 
"The Lord is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works." Psalm 145:9

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« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2012, 09:11:34 AM »
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« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2012, 02:50:59 PM »
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« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2012, 06:11:21 PM »
Thanks jab.

I found a copy of the The Tenant, look forward to reading it.  I've read her sisters but never anything by her.

You mentioned that you read two, could you share the title of the other one.

Does this passage suggest a discussion of something like purgitory?

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« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2012, 06:40:17 PM »
   The Narrow Way

 Anne Bronte [Acton Bell]



Believe not those who say
The upward path is smooth,
Lest thou shouldst stumble in the way,
And faint before the truth.

It is the only road
Unto the realms of joy;
But he who seeks that blest abode
Must all his powers employ.

Bright hopes and pure delight
Upon his course may beam,
And there, amid the sternest heights,
The sweetest flowerets gleam.

On all her breezes borne,
Earth yields no scents like those;
But he that dares not gasp the thorn
Should never crave the rose.

Arm--arm thee for the fight!
Cast useless loads away;
Watch through the darkest hours of night;
Toil through the hottest day.

Crush pride into the dust,
Or thou must needs be slack;
And trample down rebellious lust,
Or it will hold thee back.

Seek not thy honour here;
Waive pleasure and renown;
The world's dread scoff undaunted bear,
And face its deadliest frown.

To labour and to love,
To pardon and endure,
To lift thy heart to God above,
And keep thy conscience pure;

Be this thy constant aim,
Thy hope, thy chief delight;
What matter who should whisper blame
Or who should scorn or slight?

What matter, if thy God approve,
And if, within thy breast,
Thou feel the comfort of His love,
The earnest of His rest?



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Re: UR in Old Books
« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2012, 09:47:26 PM »
Nice poem.

Thanks jab.

I found a copy of the The Tenant, look forward to reading it.  I've read her sisters but never anything by her.

You mentioned that you read two, could you share the title of the other one.

Does this passage suggest a discussion of something like purgitory?

Great.  Actually, that was pretty much the discussion as far as the "religious" part of it as I recall.  Her aunt, earlier in the book had been trying to convince her the man wasn't someone she should be marrying, had a bad character/habits, etc..finally she told her aunt she was more serious about marrying him, and i guess the aunt pulled the "hell" card  lol.  So then Helen came back with the great UR quotes. 

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« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2012, 02:00:45 AM »

An excellent post!! He is everybody's Lord and Savior---"For it is written, As I live, says the Lord, Every knee shall bow to Me, AND EVERY TONGUE SHALL GIVE PRAISE TO GOD" Romans 14:11 NASB.

"Now we believe, not just because of what you told us, but because we have heard him ourselves. Now we know that he is indeed the Savior of the world." Jn. 4:42

Holding fast the faithful word as he has been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to refute the opposition. Titus 1:9

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Re: UR in Old Books
« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2012, 04:46:51 AM »
rj, I'm pretty sure the other book was Uncle Tom's Cabin.