willieH: Hi James...
How areya bro? Well, I hope...
Here's several verses that indicate to me that there's a "this happens", then one is saved...rather than all are already saved and just don't yet know it. I know that's a popular POV in UR, but I personally don't think it's accurate.
whosoever believeth in him will not perish John 3:16
as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: John 1:12
they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved Acts 16:31
These two are especially interesting to me; "were reconciled" and "now justified", yet still SHALL BE saved
being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved Romans 5:9
we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. Romans 5:10
and a couple more;
if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. Romans 10:9 That one especially seems to indicate "X occurs, then Y"...
Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved 10:13
even so in Christ shall [not already are] all be made alive." (I Corinthians 15:22)
That we are TIME BOUND beings, ...time oriented terms must be used in communicating WITH us... If God spoke from HIS ETERNAL platform, how could we as FINITES, "reason" with Him? He DID speak from time to time in ETERNAL terms, just to show where He really IS and where we are really BOUND to BE... but for the moment, we ARE ...IN TIME... and thus the "shall's, will-be's, etc. appear in the dialogue...
Could the teaching of "all are already saved most just don't yet know it" stand in the way of someone actually believing and confessing, if they've been taught "you don't need to do that, you're already saved"? That's actually one of my concerns, that there could be some critical/crucial deception in this area.
It is honorable that you consider what you preach as Sacred, and wish to attach TRUTH to every word you use, as you speak to another of God... You are a GOOD SON James... but know this:
ALL that occurs is in the Hand of the Potter brother J... No matter WHAT we preach, HIS PURPOSE shall BE found WITHIN the PROCESS... for HE is WORKING ALL THINGS, according to the counsel (advisement) of His WILL -- Eph 1:11
As a little example; if a "Gospel of Inclusion" minister has Buddhists and Muslims "in full fellowship/acceptance" with them as a supposed part of the ecclesia, would they be more likely to think "I need Jesus", or "I'm OK because we're all one and all going to the same place anyway"?
GOD is NOT PARTIAL to ANY human being... so ALL partake according to the accomplishment of HIS PURPOSE and WILL, which is that NONE PERISH -- John 3:16 -- 2 Pet 3:9
Don't think for a minute that you
(by any words which come from you) shall "re-invent" the "faith" of a Buddhist or Muslim, with the name of JESUS
... Only YHVH
can call them to His SON... and if YHVH
calls, then YHVH
gives ears to HEAR that call...
They shall not equate your use of the name JESUS
, to "we're all gonna end up in the same place anyway" kind of thinking...
If one is called to KNOW the TRUTH of UR... then GOD shall enable them to KNOW. What OUR calling is, ...is to present GOOD NEWS to anyone we encounter, and LEAVE OUT the BAD NEWS which RELIGION has invented to "scare them into staying put"...
I personally believe we are to witness and proclaim Jesus to them, not give them okey-dokey. I believe I've read where Gary A. has some of those same concerns...regardless, these are mine.
If you join the work of God in simplicity... by proclaiming JESUS
to them, then they shall either be prompted to inquire of details or not... according to ELECTION...
You and I do not determine who is ELECTED and who is not... We ALL walk a pathway which was placed before us to walk, and WALK it we shall...
To state to the one you are witnessing to, that GOD LOVES them beyond WORDS is TRUTH
, and to state that GOD's Salvation is found IN JESUS
, is also TRUTH
... and to include REPENTENCE in that presentation is also TRUTH
... the verses which provide the VISION that GOD shall save ALL, are still good texts to use in that witnessing... Use them, for they are GOOD NEWS
... be confident in using them... If they were not meant to be used, they would not be there...
GOD shall, in calling that heart, avail questions IN that heart... as you use UR verses in your presentation of Him, to them, if it is intended they have questions... What is wrong with preaching a LOVE that is ALL ENCOMPASSING? Call me nuts, but as long as I have lived (63yrs), I have NEVER HEARD... any BETTER NEWS than this!
We are called to preach GOOD NEWS
bro... and IN SUBMISSION
to Him, take the GOSPEL (good news)
to the world... leaving BEHIND the anxiety that wishes to impose upon us, CONCERN
, ...and in sincerity of heart, take the TRUTH
to the world (as best we know it, relying on Him), ...leaving the results
"Concern" is worry, uncertainty, apprehension,
...or even FEAR...
is working within... what is there to be "concerned" about? And if we are "concerned" about the GOOD NEWS
, ...is not DOUBT is sitting upon our doorstep? How may we be effective in our witness of it?
I think we are thereby "getting in our own way"
Me & UR --->
<--- Me & MY "concern" ...taking the GOSPEL
to the world...
when we should be... JESUS
<--- Me & UR ...taking the GOSPEL
to the world...
Don't get me wrong bro... I encourage you to be aggressively seeking more and more from God... but in the meanwhile, ...walk in confidence and Faith, that you ARE where you ARE, because God
has you, ..."right where He wants you
Preach the TRUTH in PEACE
bro, and without attaching FEAR to it... you will do just fine... PEACEFULLY and LOVINGLY allieviating those "concerns" which presently seem to be holding you within their grip...