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Offline Seth

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Re: Is everyone justified?
« Reply #50 on: June 27, 2009, 01:54:43 AM »
James,
I agree with what you are saying about the message. The message is not that we are all saved through Allah, Bhudda etc. We preach Christ and him alone, and if they accept they accept and if not, then not. I agree with what you were saying.

You are getting to the heart of the issue. The message is not "you are already saved so keep doing what you are doing." The message is "be saved away from sin by Christ." The Bible does not call it the "Gospel of UR." It calls it the Gospel of the Kingdom. Paul says that the kingdom is peace in the Spirit and service to Christ. That is the Gospel we share: The Gospel of the Kingdom.

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Re: Is everyone justified?
« Reply #51 on: June 27, 2009, 01:58:41 AM »
Thanks Seth, and yes, it's James.  The jab part of jabcat is my initials...the "cat" part is from back in the day  :mwink:.

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Re: Is everyone justified?
« Reply #52 on: June 27, 2009, 02:26:09 AM »
Jabcat (is it James?)

 Paul was so urgent to share the Promise of the Spirit with people that he became "all things to all people, so that he could save some." Of course he means "I, yet not I" when he talks about saving them.

I do agree with what you say though. Nobody sees the father apart from Christ. If we are to share the teaching that the gateway to life is narrow and the gatway to being lost is wide, then we should do it and accept our beatings for Christ (for our decidedly non-ecumenical behavior). Either that, or rejoice that they have come to Christ, rather than Bhudda et al, so that they can have the oneness in the Spirit that sets them free.

Yes, amen.  I rejoice in the following statement you made;  "..accept our beatings for Christ (for our decidedly non-ecumenical behavior)"...

If I could quickly summarize my thoughts, it would be a) people still need to get saved, to place their trust in Jesus as their Savior,  b) only God decides who He will give that faith to believe (and no one "chooses" God before He chooses them and empowers them individually, specifically to believe),  3) we are called to tell people about Jesus and encourage (not insist/demand/guilt/scare, etc.) them to call on Him, and  d) assist them in any way God allows and enables us to do so.  Otherwise, as I understand and as you say, they enter in at the broad gate, and many may be saved there only "as by fire". 

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Re: Is everyone justified?
« Reply #53 on: June 27, 2009, 02:30:25 AM »
Every single point a-d (even including point #3 :laughing7:) is sound to the very core.
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If we add to it, WillieH's point that all is of him, that is where we get our peace if we get flogged in the synagogues (speaking metaphorically there). But the cross is an offense. The Gospel of the Kingdom says: Repent for the kingdom of God is at hand, receive the Spirit, serve Christ.

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Re: Is everyone justified?
« Reply #54 on: June 27, 2009, 02:44:21 AM »
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#3 eh?   :doh:  silly, silly
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