willieH: Hi brother Scott...
Hi Willie, I have been over all your point already with others in this thread and the potter and his clay thread.
That you have stated something elsewhere is basically irrelevant bro... answer me, or don't...
But don't make excuses...
And I cannot defend what I believe because of the taboo placed upon this board, while you and everyone else can post away about God sovereignty at will. The cards are all stacked against me here brother in this regard.
I have NOT mentioned "sovereignty" at all in my discussion with you... I am able to note my beliefs without arguing or using the term "sovereignty", ...simply because (I believe) they are TRUTHFUL without use of this word... If your beliefs cannot be substanciated without the useage of the words "free will"...then they are exposed for what they are BY the Scriptures... You are welcome to use ANY SCRIPTURE you choose to prove your positions...
I AM curious though...
Where does it say: "GOD DID, what He DID NOT ...want... to DO"
, Scott? Why are you avoiding the substanciating of this statement made by YOU, bro?
Thus, it would be foolish of me to continue to debate something when I can only use PART of the scriptures and not all of them. It would be like fighting with one arm tied behind my back.
I am sure GARY and
the MOD STAFF here WILL NOT prevent you from using ANY and ALL SCRIPTURE that you wish to use to substanciate yourself... It is arguing the terminologies of "sovereignty" and its opposing "free will" that are to be avoided...
To preach and quote the SCRIPTURES is NOT being inhibited here at all...
It like this brother say I had a board and I said to you, you cannot talk about God sovereignty because it upsets me and others on the board.
How would you explain God sovereignty if you cannot talk about His sovereignty, do you think it would be a fair debate?
I would use the SCRIPTURES to prove my viewpoint. A given term in ENGLISH is not where SPIRITUALITY lies, nor are these terms ("sovereignty/free will') required in order to convey the TRUTH. If you have TRUTH, you shall be able to CONVEY it to another, without using terms which are ABSENT
from the SCRIPTURES, such as the terms -- "free will" or "sovereignty".
Now don't go reading into my sovereignty example as though I don't believe in Gods sovereignty because I do, I just understand if differently than most do.
I certainly will not attach anything to you. You are welcome to believe as you do. It is NOT my agenda to change you in any way. Just to convey via discussion, my current observations... which are seeking correction, if they are in need of it.
Said discussions have helped me along my pathway, ever since becoming a member here. And as I said in my previous post to you... YOU have helped me on occasion, and have especially stimulated me to a deeper "digging" in the field of the WORD
on those occasions!
Therefore, I will bow out of any further discussions here at tents as there is not the liberty that at one time this board had.
That is your right dear brother. That said however, ...I think your observation of this forum is quite closed-minded.
Of all the forums I visit and/or have visited, ...this one has the wisest membership, and time spent here has been by FAR the most profitable to me. Along with that, I have been banned here, and IN that BAN, was stripped of MOD status... however, those are meant to be, for GOD is working ALL THINGS...
So it is HIS decision that those things occured... and if I am truly seeking Him, I shall focus in on the POSITIVES that Tentmaker stands for, instead of the NEGATIVES that might personally "ruffle my feathers"... You have the right to address this in your own way bro, and I do not demean you for it, and wish you WELL in your further pursuit of GOD and His WORD
2 Corinthians 3:17
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
Now I am not saying no one here has the Spirit of the Lord (please don't read that into my statement) I am just saying I don't have the liberty to post what the Spirit of the Lord gives me.
God bless each and every one of you.
You and your wisdoms will be sorely missed bro... Please keep in mind, that in our individual search for PERFECTION and COMPATIBILITY, that WE bring and possess our own PORTION of IMPERFECTION and INCOMPATIBILITY which we donate, toward any given one, ...and into whatever scenario we enter into and become a part...
So to seek a place that is COMPLETELY alligned with US and our "ideas" of LIBERTY and SPIRITUALITY, ...is probably not gonna happen, and we must therefore guard against becoming a "PHARISEE" (not calling you that), and seek to be as was the "PUBLICAN" (not calling you that either) -- Luke 18:10-14
-- for in these TWO we see HUMILITY in one, and PIOUSNESS in the other.
We all love you brother Scott --