willieH: Hi Scott...
I could've sworn I answered this post!
-- Oh well, so goes a 64 year old mind!
No brother you have not given me any scripture that says it is Gods pleasure for us to sin.
All you have is given me your understanding of some scriptures that I see differently than you but what I see shows forth Gods nature. What you see shows forth God and satans nature mixed together.
ALL THINGS emerge from Him Scott... whether we choose to believe it or not... Col 1:16-20
-- All "natures" you or I can percieve, are emergent from HIM. "satan" however you view this term (I believe it to be a principality of adversity which is in the Carnal/Natural man)... is STILL emergent from His hand.
Willie everything is NOT YET done according to God will.
This is a TIME confined, linear statement, bro. God is NOT confined by TIME, and IN HIM all things are COMPLETE.
It is NOT GODS WILL that any should PERISH, yet people PERISH all through scripture. Yet your belief makes people perishing God's will.
Sorry bro I believe the scriptures.
Scott, the Scriptures SAY
: "...it is APPOINTED unto man once to DIE, but after this, the judgment"
-- Heb 9:27
Who "APPOINTED" this "DEATH" Scott? Does this "appointment" proceed from OUTSIDE the WILL of God? If so, WHO established this "appointment"? And how did they GET AWAY with making this "appointment" against His WILL? And then "snuck" it into His WORD
GOD's "WILL" about "not perishing"
is about ETERNITY
which is a resultant of REPENTENCE, not about this realm, ...in which DEATH is APPOINTED
as the result of TRANSGRESSION.
Willie, unlike you saying God works sin as part of His pleasure or will without scriptural backing that ACTUALLY states such I do have scripture that states God did not want to sacrifice His son.
6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.
Desire/PLEASURE—God has PLEASURE in mercy NOT SACRIFICE.
Scott, I do not say that GOD takes PLEASURE in SIN, I say He takes PLEASURE in the COMPLETION of the process, which INCLUDES SIN... and redemption from it.
GOD is ALMIGHTY
bro... so the "sacrifice" of CHRIST
, could have been avoided if HE so chose to avoid it. He DID NOT!
Matter of fact... it was ALREADY a "DONE DEAL" before ANYTHING in Creation was even "Created" -- Rev 13:8
Not only THAT, but when CHRIST
was amidst this realm, and ON
to that SACRIFICE
... when GOD said: "Thou art My beloved SON, in whom I am WELL PLEASED"
-- Luke 3:22 -- Matt 17:5
Seems to me, the words (WELL
) PLEASED is a variation of the word PLEASURE and vice versa...
GOD is herein displaying and vocalizing PLEASURE
in His SON who is on the pathway of SACRIFICE
6 Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required.
Desire/PLEASURE- God had NO PLEASURE in sacrifice and offerings.
First you tell me that "GOD DID what He DID NOT ...WANT to DO"
Scott, this is very surface... If GOD had no pleasure in Sacrifice and offerings, they would not be REQUIRED of men... It would be GOD bringing upon Himself, "DISPLEASURE" by requiring man to OFFER and SACRIFICE!
Do you deny that OFFERING and SACRIFICE is GOD instructed and required in His WORD
Therefore, it is possible that your observation of Psalm 40:6
could be slightly inaccurate?
Since you think OFFERING and SACRIFICE is so DISPLEASING and/or UNPLEASUREABLE to GOD...
Was CHRIST's sacrifice
, therefore according to Psalm 40:6
-- "DISPLEASING" to GOD, Scott?
I think you have isolated your thoughts, and picked a verse which supports them, and are thereby blinded to the overall PREMISE of Sacrifice and offering
In the NT -- the Apostle Paul notes:Rom 12:1
-- I ...BESEECH... you therefor brethren by the mercies of GOD, that ye present your bodies a -- LIVING SACRIFICE -- HOLY -- ACCEPTABLE -- unto GOD, which is your REASONABLE Service!
It is our REASONABLE SERVICE to cause God DISPLEASURE by this "living" SACRIFICE
According to your thinking brother Scott... this "LIVING SACRIFICE
" is DISPLEASING to GOD, even though HE orders it to be so, and WITHIN that "ordering" calls it HOLY and ACCEPTABLE
No my dear bro... (IMO) you have gathered an "understanding" of SACRIFICE and OFFERING, which you esteem to be a bit greater than it really is...
I know I have a lot to learn brother, you keep telling me that I do every time we speak to one another, but did it ever occur to you that maybe just maybe it is you that is in need of learning.
Scott, I am and ALWAYS will be, in need of learning!
If I were not, I would be stagnant. I presume you are the same bro... I don't mean to belittle you in any way, just suggest that there is always room for improvement of our insights.
Matter of fact when it gets down to the "nitty gritty", ...since I found the truth of the SALVATION of ALL MEN (which is one REAL big "learning") 9 years ago, ...I have since learned and have come to observe differently, MANY
new things (to mention just a few -- some of which YOU as well as many others here @ Tentmaker by GOD's hand, have contributed to) such as concerning the truth or fallacy of:
2. "Fallen angels"
3. The SABBATH
4. Free will
5. The "Millennium"
6. "Spiritual" Israel
7. Eternal "separation" from God
8. "Decision" for CHRIST
9. "Accepting" CHRIST
10. "Going" to Heaven
11. The FALLACY of "satan"
12. The FALLACY of Easter
13. Revelation of JESUS CHRIST
14. The ETERNAL state of the WORD
15. TIME as an opposition to ETERNITY
16. The FOREKNOWLEDGE of God
17. The FALLACY of the use of the word ETERNAL (in attachment to FINITES)
I have indeed LEARNED and continue to do so. And really, I am thankful for our discussions, and find respect for you as well.
I think we both seem to convey an unmoveable position bro... But, then again... that is my perception, which is based only upon our interactions.
You could well be "in flux" in the areas of learning, which I cannot observe. It is not my job to deduce you, only to present my beliefs, which are in process... and word them as best I can... without any desire that my observations change you... only to hope that should they in fact contain truth, that GOD may use them in helping others, and maintaining faith in those observations as I continue to search...
By the way, one more "reminder"... are you going to provide me the Scripture which SUPPORTS your statement: "GOD DID what He DID NOT want to DO"?