willieH: Hi Scott...
Your whole theology hangs on this scripture
GOD says within this Scripture: "...I WILL ...DO... ALL my PLEASURE" ...which would seem to mean (as you see it) that His -- "doing what He did NOT want to DO" -- was in some way, PLEASURE to Him?
Now show me where it says it is God pleasure that we sin?
It is within HIS PLEASURE [desire] that SIN and DEATH occur in our experience, for He has thereby INVESTED knowledge IN US, that only HE HAD, ...which delivers BOTH into our scenario -- Gen 3:22
-- thereby it is PART of the CREATION and REVELATION process for SIN, Suffering and DEATH to be manifest...
GOOD and EVIL are part of the REVELATION of JESUS CHRIST
, who IS the WORD
. GOOD and EVIL are both manifest in the course of MAN's History, for the WORD
notes them, and GOD takes PLEASURE in ALL His WORD
notes... for it is ultimately GOOD and PERFECT.CHRIST
was made PERFECT [complete] THROUGH SUFFERINGS... Even though GOD must bear this Himself, it HIS intention to make PERFECT, and COMPLETE, ...ALL THINGS... which are ALL the THINGS to which He sets His hand to... the POTTER PERFECTLY shaping His Creation... which in PART must be found MARRED at His descretion -- Jer 18:4
Because you are saying God finds pleasure in SIN.
I did NOT say
" bro, YOU did...
that ALL that occurs is DONE of HIS WILL and it is HIS PLEASURE to immerse us in the OPPOSITE of Himself (Hardening/concluding in UNBELIEF), and to REMOVE us FROM IT (Mercy/Grace/redemption)... BOTH of which are done at HIS HAND.
I am saying that through this process, GOD finds PLEASURE in the REVELATION of HIMSELF to us... part of which is the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and
EVIL... which entails this PROCESS, in order to be REVEALED... WHY? Because we are indeed within and LIVING IN, that process...
HE is WORKING ALL THINGS... That leaves ABSOLUTELY NOTHING that HE is not ACTIVELY "WORKING"...
And if He does not find pleasure in SIN then it obviously is NOT a part of His ALL HIS PLEASURE.
That you or I do not see the WHOLE picture, does not mean it is not there... As I said, It is HIS PLEASURE to DO what HE DOES... Part of which includes HARDENING (done of His WILL), and CONCLUDING ALL
in UNBELIEF (whatsoever is not of FAITH is SIN)... As well as FINDING FAULT in the whole thing -- Rom 9:18-20
HE sends us into captivity Scott -- Jer 29:14
-- And HE returns us from that captivity --- HE directs the steps bro -- Jer 10:23 -- Prov 20:24
So again show me a scripture that says God has PLEASURE IN SIN?
I have already done so... if you do not see it, ...you do not. There is no point in repeating what I have already noted.
HIS PLEASURE is found in the COMPLETED process, in which HE works ALL THINGS, and of which HE is a PART, in every instance for there is NO POWER other than His -- Rom 13:1
So ANY POWER that is exercised by MAN, find its source -- (1)
In HIM -- (2)
is thereby enlisted within HIS WORKING
of ALL THINGS -- Eph 1:11
-- which are ALL done according to HIS WILL --
Btw... YOU have not indicated comment on your proposal of GOD's "lack of SELF CONTROL" (DOING what He did NOT want to DO)
And upon what SCRIPTURE does it SAY
: "He DOES what He DOES NOT WANT to DO"?
It the same with His WILL, show me a scripture that says God WILL us TO SIN.
There are MANY, but for now ...I'll give you FOUR:Rom 11:32
-- For GOD hath CONCLUDED them ALL in UNBELIEF, that He might have MERCY upon ALL
Which notes that UNBELIEF has its SOURCE in HIM, and is therefore DETERMINED to BE, ...BY HIM.Rom 14:23
-- whatsoever is NOT of FAITH, is SIN
-- He has concluded us in UNBELIEF, so He thereby CONCLUDES us to SIN. We do not have the option to NOT SIN, for we are CONCLUDED to do so, BY Him.Jer 10:23
-- O YHVH, I know that the WAY of MAN, is NOT in HIMSELF... NOT in MAN that walketh to DIRECT His steps
-- In our "steps" and in our "way" we SIN... and this Scripture notes that these "steps" and "way" are NOT in us...Rom 9:18-19
-- Therefore He hath MERCY upon whom HE WILL, and whom HE WILL, ...HE HARDENETH ...thou wilt say unto me why doth He yet find fault? For WHO hath resisted HIS WILL?
-- This verse notes that FAULT is found BECAUSE of His WILL, on those who were HARDENED
by HIM, of HIS WILL
Seems to me many here believe a lot of things the scriptures do not even come close to saying."seems to me"
is the key, Scott...
Have you considered that you have things yet to learn bro Scott? And within those "things"
, ...there are INDEED, a LOT of "things"
you are yet to KNOW? Think about it.