claypot,
thanks for your reply. my motive is simple. if i'm going to believe UR to be true i want to see the bible verses that say people are granted repentance and are forgiven of their sins after they die. it is really simple stuff. just show me in the bible where it says this and then i know it to be true and from God and not from man.
First of all, it falls to you to prove that at death is irreversible judgment and Hebrews 9:27 isn't an answer since it's about the High Priest of Israel figuratively dying for Israel each year as their substitute, so also Christ was offered ONCE....etc....
14Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
15And deliver them who through fear of death
were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
16For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
17Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. (Hebrews 2:14-17 -- those who all of their lifetimes, implying it was past their lifetimes)
22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. (1Corinthians 15:22 -- who are those that are made alive? Those that die in Adam. Those that are dead in Adam. Those that were in Christ when He died are made alive and those that were in Adam when he died are dead -- simple -- Christ is what's called in theology the recapitulation or reheading of ALL things.)
1And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
2Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. (Ephesians 2:1-3 -- dead in trespasses and sins -- now made alive in Christ, and we were no different from the children of disobedience according to this Scripture.)
14 For we will surely die and become like water spilled on the ground, which cannot be gathered up again. Yet God does not take away a life; but He devises means, so that His banished ones are not expelled from Him. (2Samuel 14:14)
May he be blessed of the LORD who has not withdrawn His kindness to the living and to the dead. (Ruth 2:20)
6and he said, "O LORD, the God of our fathers, are You not God in the heavens? And are You not ruler over all the kingdoms of the nations? Power and might are in Your hand so that no one can stand against You. (2Chronicles 20:6)
4"Behold, all souls are Mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is Mine. (Ezekiel 18:4 -- He bases is ability to punish on the fact that the souls are His rather than not His.)
In Jude 1, Sodom and Gomorrah are put forth as the example of age-lasting fire, and in Ezekiel 16:53-55 we have:
53"Nevertheless, I will restore their captivity, the captivity of Sodom and her daughters, the captivity of Samaria and her daughters, and along with them your own captivity,
54in order that you may bear your humiliation and feel ashamed for all that you have done when you become a consolation to them.
55"Your sisters, Sodom with her daughters and Samaria with her daughters, will return to their former state, and you with your daughters will also return to your former state. (Ezekiel 16:53-55)
11"Yours, O LORD, is the greatness and the power and the glory and the victory and the majesty, indeed everything that is in the heavens and the earth; Yours is the dominion, O LORD, and You exalt Yourself as head over all.
12"Both riches and honor come from You, and You rule over all, and in Your hand is power and might; and it lies in Your hand to make great and
to strengthen everyone. (1Chronicles 29:11-12)
13And every created thing which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them, I heard saying, "To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever." (Revelation 5:13 -- under the earth obviously includes every grave.)
11 " As for you also, Because of the blood of your covenant, I will set your prisoners free from the waterless pit. (Zechariah 9:11)
14 " I will ransom them from the power of Hell; I will redeem them from death. O Death, I will be your plagues! O Hell, I will be your destruction!" (Hosea 13:14)
Probably 4 dozen additional passages could be cited on this, but if you're not starting to see by now that perhaps more can be said in it's behalf, Scripturally, than you'd previously considered possible, then citing the rest of them isn't going to make a believer out of you, if your heart's hardened to the Father seeing the fruit of the travail of Christ's soul and being genuinely thoroughly satisfied. He laid on Him the iniquity of us all, and the crime can't be prosecuted additionally after someone was already raised from the dead in absolute proof that it had all already been dealt with!
