A good question I read asked at a different site years ago concerning Universalism is this. If the whole world is saved what is the point of the most evil vicious people acting out in this world? When God knows they'll still see the same paradise as those who loved him and lived righteously?
And, those passages that say those who are in Christ do not make a habit of sinning. The aforementioned not only do make a habit but they conflict with the other passage that says, those who make that habit do not know God nor have his holy spirit.
An yet, Universalism teaches they're still saved by Him?
Never did see anyone answer that thread. I'm recalling it from memory of years past. That isn't the copy/paste of the post.
Great thoughts WW, JUGG , Here I will also attempt to share some thoughts with BBP, but only the Holy Spirit can persuade any one of us at any time with the faith of Our Lord Jesus Christ working in any of us at any time.
There is no good answer for a skeptic , they will not believe anything said . they stop their ears from hearing the truth .
Some times the truth is silent before them ..but still is there .
The thing is,, God is carrying us though everything in this very short life and most never ,ever take it to heart !!
Mankind has always tried to bring God down to their level of understanding , and that is not possible to know God with mankind's carnal mindset ,it is death and the dead know nothing about God [LIFE ITSELF ] .Even reading the scriptures without the Spirit of Life bringing them, breathing to life in your mortal body, a powerful Word of Truth superseding any thought you held as a high thought gets cast out into the darkness , but the Light of Gods power is making something happen in you , you can never just explain away to anyone else , unless it is happening to them too , somthing in common .
During the short ministry Jesus says , in the scriptures , tell no man , or Mark 9:9
As they were coming down the mountain, Jesus admonished them not to tell anyone what they had seen until the Son of Man had risen from the dead. Because that is when He was going to take death captive !
How into HIMSELF / LIFE is swallowing up death [ Colossians 1 ] Openly GOD makes a way ,we can know now , somthing that most had to wait upon a literal physical death to experience by the faith works of Gods Word & Spirit of Truth gathering together as ONE everything , nothing will be left undone ....
Most religious spirits is just being giving over to their own ideas about God as pointless thinking being the idols of their hearts desire .. Romans 1
Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn't worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. As a result, their minds became dark and confused............
The blind leading the blind and everyone is falling , but the LORD is carrying them every last one .
Faith of Christ , that anointing from God Himself [Life ] makes you know it is all in GODS POWER and not of ourselves .
Here is a powerful Living Word to consider, knowing salvation is of GOD only !
1Cor 15 ,,The Order of Resurrection
…27For “God has put everything under His feet.” Now when it says that everything has been put under Him, this clearly does not include the One who put everything under Him. 28And when all things have been subjected to Him, then the Son Himself will be made subject to Him who put all things under Him,
so that God may be all in all.
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If these things are not so, what will those do who are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized for them?…
This is a great question you have got to ask yourself than , WHAT IS THE POINT !!!!!!! Paul lets us in on a big clue here !! and revelation Why did Paul and those chosen of God bother to Die for sharing what God give them to know against all odds ?
BECAUSE EVERYONE WILL BE RAISED UP INCORRUPTIBLE , NO MORE DEATH , no more pain no more dying all tears will be dried and comforted NOW , the WORD IS OUT , LIFE will swallow up death in victory!!!!!!!!!
THIS is truly what being baptized in Christ death means !! it is a pure and holy thing and meaning !! WHAT A PURPOSE !!
29If these things are not so, what will those do who are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized for them? 30And why do we endanger ourselves every hour?
31I face death every day, brothers, as surely as I boast about you in Christ Jesus our Lord. 32If I fought wild beasts in Ephesus for human motives, what did I gain? If the dead are not raised,
“Let us eat and drink,
for tomorrow we die.”
33Do not be deceived: “Bad company corrupts good character.” 34 Sober up as you ought, and stop sinning; for some of you are ignorant of God. I say this to your shame.
1 Corinthians 3:23
and you belong to Christ, and Christ belongs to God.1 Corinthians 12:6
There are different ways of working, but the same God works all things in all men.Philippians 3:21
who,
by the power that enables Him to subject all things to Himself, will transform our lowly bodies to be like His glorious body. I see this as a simple understanding , we are all slaves to sin , the darkness of ignorance and lies , till Christ comes / TRUTH to set us free from deaths grip and no more hold on us , some now and some later but always in GODS WISDOM ..
His anger lasts only a moment. His favor lasts a lifetime. Weeping may last for the night, but there is a song of joy in the morning. , children of the dawn , children of the Day , sons of Light , the Last Day that the Light increases 7 fold as all the days are ONE DAY
God's Mercies
…25And from every high mountain and every raised hill, streams of water will flow in the day of great slaughter, when the towers fall. 26The light of the moon will be as bright as the sun, and the light of the sun will be seven times brighter— like the light of seven days— on the day that the LORD binds up the brokenness of His people and heals the wounds He inflicted. 27Behold, the Name of the LORD comes from afar, with burning anger and dense smoke. His lips are full of fury, and His tongue is like a consuming fire.…
Revelation 21:23
And the city has no need for sun or moon to shine on it, because the glory of God illuminates the city, and the Lamb is its lamp.
Revelation 22:5
There will be no more night in the city, and they will have no need for the light of a lamp or of the sun. For the Lord God will shine on them, and they will reign forever and ever.Deuteronomy 32:39
See now that I am He; there is no God besides Me. I bring death and I give life; I wound and I heal, and there is no one who can deliver from My hand.
Job 5:18
For He wounds, but also binds; He strikes, but His hands also heal.
Isaiah 1:6
From the sole of your foot to the top of your head, there is no soundness--only wounds and welts and festering sores not cleansed or bandaged or soothed with oil.
Isaiah 19:22
And the LORD will strike Egypt with a plague; He will strike them but heal them. They will turn to the LORD, and He will hear their prayers and heal them.
Isaiah 24:23
The moon will be confounded and the sun ashamed; for the LORD of Hosts will reign on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem, and in the presence of His elders, He will display His glory.
Isaiah 30:13
this iniquity of yours is like a breach about to fall, a bulge in a high wall, whose collapse will come suddenly--in an instant!
Isaiah 30:14
It will break in pieces like a potter's jar, shattered so that no fragment can be found. Not a shard will be found in the dust large enough to scoop the coals from a hearth or to skim the water from a cistern."
Isaiah 33:24
And no resident of Zion will say, "I am sick." The people who dwell there will be forgiven their iniquity.
Isaiah 57:18
I have seen his ways, but I will heal him; I will guide him and restore comfort to him and his mourners,
Isaiah 58:8
Then your light will break forth like the dawn, and your healing will come quickly. Your righteousness will go before you, and the glory of the LORD will be your rear guard.
Isaiah 60:19
No longer will the sun be your light by day, and the brightness of the moon will not shine on you; for the LORD will be your everlasting light, and your God will be your splendor.
Isaiah 60:20
Your sun will no longer set, and your moon will not wane; for the LORD will be your everlasting light, and the days of your sorrow will be over.
Isaiah 61:1
The Spirit of the Lord GOD is on Me, because the LORD has anointed Me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent Me to bind up the brokenhearted,
to proclaim liberty to the captives and release from darkness to the prisoners,Jeremiah 30:17
But I will restore your health and heal your wounds, declares the LORD, because they call you an outcast, Zion, for whom no one cares."
Jeremiah 33:6
Nevertheless, I will bring to it health and healing, and I will heal its people and reveal to them the abundance of peace and truth.
Hosea 6:1
Come, let us return to the LORD.
For He has torn us to pieces, but He will heal us; He has wounded us, but He will bind us up.
Hosea 6:2
After two days He will revive us;
on the third day He will raise us up, that we may live in His presence.Malachi 4:2
"But for you who fear My name, the sun of righteousness will rise with healing in its wings, and you will go out and leap like calves from the stall.
ALL GOD AND FOR HIS GLORY we now thank and praise Him for everything ....
long post sorry , but worth sharing GODS WORD , if we got ears to hear what HIS Spirit of Life is saying to us ...