WARNING , THIS IS ONLY MY THOUGHTS AND NOT THE THOUGHTS OF MOST MEMBERS OF THIS FORUM.....
Knowing nothing is peace, bliss, unseen, paradise for the system of law before rezz day.
- Why people in paradise did not go to heaven until jesus was in the process of being resurrected back to life?
That makes no sense, rephrase? Paradise was not for the system of law, it was for believers. Paradise was located in hades.
- Why people will still go to hades after jesus died (until judgement day) if jesus supposedly "took away" all future sin?
[/list]one side is that the unseen is a place of knowing nothing ,feeling , tasteing, hearing smelling, seeing, don't happen. IMO , judgementday happened 2011 years ago give or take. and 3 he took away all sin, ( transgression of the Law is sin) so if I choose not to follow the old system that IS DONE AWAY WITH, then I am a part of the new Life IN Christ. and never have to worry about being a sinner, sinners are law followers, ( not meeeeee ) So when he took away sin, he did, so all are in Christ now, believers and non believers
There is so many things wrong here that I don't know where to begin. Jesus did not change a letter of the law. By "old system" I think you mean the law. So following the law in the old testament did not get anyone out of hades. Everyone during the old testament time was only righteous by faith, not by the good/bad things they did. Jesus did not take away all sin. If he had done so then satan wouldn't be going to the lake of fire and people wouldn't be going to hades after they die. Pretty much the only major things that changed before and after jesus's resurrection is that believers go directly to heaven after they die instead of paradise and it's much easier to have faith in god by believing the god in flesh form, jesus.
You said that if you choose to not follow the old system then your part of the new life in christ and you also said that everyone is in christ. So what if someone does choose to follow the old system, you apparently contradict yourself. You can't say everyone is in christ and say that those who follow the old system aren't in christ at the same time. All those verses that say unbelievers are condemned in the new testament don't mean anything?
Why, because that was His Father's Plan, and it happened 2011 years ago......
- Why you become a new creation when you are "in" christ?
Why was it his father's plan then?
He forgave because it was the way of things for followers of Law, its in the tora-law, and with out believing is a false hood taught by your church and not Christ
- The purpose of jesus forgiving anyone (before his death) if nobody is able to go to heaven without believing.
LOL, the law is much more strict than the torah law. Having the slightest hate, lust, love of objects on earth, etc... makes you liable for everything. Hate is considered murder and lust is adultery.
because any church today makes laws that have to be followed if you want to be right with God, or for them be a ( believer ),,, it is a man made system of what I I I call a self reenforced diluion not of God.
- How a believer can commit the sin of no longer believing or lusting/hating anything if they cannot sin?
Not true, not all doctrines say that you need to do any rituals or follow any rules to get to heaven. The way to get to heaven is by faith alone.
because at the time of the rebuke He had not completed his mission of becoming the son of God by the things he learned, and rezz.
- If believers are sinless on earth, why were the disciples rebuked by jesus from time to time? (Luke 9:46-48, Luke 9:49-50, Luke 9:51-56, Mark 8:33, & many more)
He had not completed his mission of becoming the son of god? You mean he wasn't the "son of god" yet? People in OT were deemed righteous by faith, so these disciples had faith in jesus, who was and still is the god in flesh form.
because there is too much symbolism in most of that store i.e. a messenger is just another person that brings a message , ( good or bad ) of God or Carnal delivery. In heaven is in YOU. Me and all things made of adams, and all the space inbetween... all things
- Why are people in heaven incapable of committing sin unlike the angels that rebelled?
Doesn't make sense again.
I do desire sin, but I don't use a system of Law to get my Completeness, oneness, one with God. or Limited pardon, I am jusified....
- Why do people in heaven not desire to sin?
So your saying that the law doesn't effect you anymore so even if you do evil things that doesn't mean your sinning? Your gift of "salvation" can only be received after death. The holy spirit is a deposit that guarantees this.
Ephesians 1:14"who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance
until the redemption of those who are God's possession—to the praise of his glory. "
A deposit means that you don't have inheritance yet. Otherwise it wouldn't be a deposit guaranteeing anything.
Nothing impure will ever be allowed in heaven and sinful actions won't be done in heaven, the law is ALWAYS in effect and never changes, you cannot do sinful actions in heaven.
rev 21:27 "Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life. "
By impure, it means a heart that desires to lust, hate, love things on earth, etc... Wants to sin/break the law in any way.
answer in a question for only you to answer, did the childern born after Adam and Eve feel that they were bad, evil , sinner etc. ok, hint, All things got the new heart and Spirit 2011 years ago, it is just when GOD opens your mind to see Him will you feel the change
- How the sacrifice/resurrection allows people to get a new heart and spirit?
All things got a new heart and spirit 2011 years ago? Really? How do you explain the many many warnings about going to hades? Why would they bother with all the warnings if ppl went to heaven if they do not believe? If all things got a new heart and spirit 2011 years ago, why are there going to be people emptied out of hades to the great white throne?
because that was the prophecy in the writings the He had to do what he did to bring all I said above.
- Why did Jesus need to sacrifice himself and raise himself from the dead?
Please understand once more, this is only my belief system.
It seems you can't explain why. Why would there be a prophecy in the writing that he had to do what he did?
Yes, this is your belief system, and you are probably the only person on planet earth that believes it because it contradicts the bible.[/list][/list][/list][/list][/list][/list][/list][/list]