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Paul L:

--- Quote from: ded2daworld on November 24, 2012, 06:27:44 PM ---One of the expository books I've read on revelation is in agreement with PaulL.
It explained with scripture how there were at least three resurrections.
I remember I agreed back then, but 40 years have past and I can't say I even care about that
anymore since what will happen is what God wills :2c: :sigh: :thumbsup: to happen.

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Interesting the count could be tallied by independent observation....

ded2daworld:
Yeah cause I doubt you could have borrowed the idea
out of a book that's been out of print for about 30 years. :thumbsup:

Paul L:

--- Quote from: ded2daworld on November 24, 2012, 08:38:36 PM ---Yeah cause I doubt you could have borrowed the idea
out of a book that's been out of print for about 30 years. :thumbsup:

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It was simple enough to do:

1. The Body of Christ believers who are raised prior to 70th week; 2 Thess 4:13-17

2. The Israelite believers who were beheaded during the 70th week & are raised at the end of it ; Rev 20:5

3. Others only identified in Rev 20:5 as the "rest of the dead" (although I'm quite sure I know who these are).

Three distinct groups of people each with their own distinct resurrection.

ded2daworld:
Back to REV 20 -  isn't there another resurrection of those whose names
were not found in the book of life and were cast into the lake of fire? Since that is the second death
wouldn't those people also require a resurrection from the dead?

Paul L:

--- Quote from: ded2daworld on November 24, 2012, 10:33:13 PM ---Back to REV 20 -  isn't there another resurrection of those whose names
were not found in the book of life and were cast into the lake of fire? Since that is the second death
wouldn't those people also require a resurrection from the dead?

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I was wondering about exactly the same thing when I enumerated the three resurrections just above. Your assertion must be the case because we see in the second death there are those who are cast into a lake of fire who still must be saved or there is no reconciliation of all back to God. 

Of course they are cast into the lake of fire because their names were not found in the "book of life". So the question becomes: When do they get their opportunity at salvation? When & how do they get their names inserted into the book of life if not through a future resurrection? The Bible now goes blank at the point where the New Jerusalem descends down from heaven and its' only inhabitants are those whose names are found in the "Lamb's book of life" (Rev 21:27). You realize we may be talking about most of the people who have ever lived & died on planet earth, just sort of left out of everything.

Revelation provides a general criteria for those whose names are not contained in the "book of life", Rev 21:8. Would this exonerate any not found in this category even if they never heard of the only name by which they can be saved; for example neanderthal people who lived 40,000 years ago?

It seems to me there must be ages to follow the setting of the New Jerusalem on planet earth. What will be the period of time the New Jerusalem will exist on the planet? Certainly not eternally because contained in it's composition are physical structures subject to the natural radioactive decay of elements, we know this because there are descriptions of the materiel from which the city is built, read the compositions from Rev 21:10-23, so we know for sure there is another "age" of time here with the presence of the New Jerusalem.......after that...............?   











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