Has anyone ever thought of this?
« on: September 06, 2011, 10:11:41 AM » opening post
"I was approached by someone with an extremely interesting question. I'm really curious what you guys would say to this question.
We say that because of the cross experience, God did what he set out to do and he saved the whole world. Our final destination has been taken care of.
The question is . . .what happened to the people who died "before" the cross? Weren't they already in heaven at the time? If so, then why the need for the cross if they were already in heaven to begin with?" Nathan
I start here so that I may start on the opening query. Although my thoughts will come from with what "spiritual mentality" that has been given me.
" We say that because of the cross experience, God did what he set out to do and he saved the whole world. Our final destination has been taken care of."
I do not say this, my reason for thinking this way is that Paul wrote, 1Co 9:23 And this I do because of the good news, that a fellow-partaker of it I may become;
1Co 9:24 have ye not known that those running in a race--all indeed run, but one doth receive the prize? so run ye, that ye may obtain;
I believe that should Paul be in the race, he had not reached his final destination. As well John 1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we children of God, and it was not as yet manifested what we shall be. We are aware that, if He should be manifested, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him according as He is."
Saved and salvation carring the meaning being "made whole." Saved-to save, that is, deliver or protect (literally or figuratively): - heal, preserve, save (self), do well, be (make) whole.
Salvation- rescue or safety (physically or morally): - deliver, health, salvation, save, saving.
"The question is . . .what happened to the people who died "before" the cross? " As to your question:
Joh 3:13 and no one hath gone up to the heaven, except he who out of the heaven came down--the Son of Man who is in the heaven.
Job 34:15 All flesh together, would cease to breathe, and, the earth-born, unto dust, would return.
Ecc 3:17 I said in my heart:As for the righteous and the wicked, the One, Elohim, shall judge both of them. For He has set a season for every event and for every deed."
Ecc 3:18 I said in my heart:It is on account of the sons of humanity That the One, Elohim, seeks to manifest them And to show them that they themselves are beasts."
Ecc 3:19 For the destiny of the sons of humanity And the destiny of the beast, It is one destiny for them; As death is for this one, so is death for that one, And one spirit is for all; There is no advantage for the human over the beast, For the whole is vanity."
Ecc 3:20 All are going to one place; All have come from the soil, and all return to the soil."
Ecc 3:21 Who is knowing about the spirit of the sons of humanity, Whether it is ascending above, And the spirit of the beast, whether it is descending below to the earth?
I already know that that these words do not settle the question for the spiritual mentality of some, but they have been offered. And I know this is far from the subject of time. Peace