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jabcat:
From time to time little thoughts arise that may be connected to a thread that one can no longer find, or maybe you think it's not enough to start a whole new thread with.

I know I've had that happen, and White Wings asked about it, so I thought I'd just start this thread where pertinent observations, ponderings, etc. could be posted.

Blessings, James.

WhiteWings:
The Hebrew alphabet has 22 letters. Revelation has 22 chapters.
In the most pure form 400+ verses in Revelation are direct quotes from the OT. The chapters also seem to follow the pattern of the Hebrew alphabet.
Meaning of Hebrew letters: http://www.apocalypse2008-2015.com/hebrewmystery.html
List NT verses which quote OT verses: http://julianspriggs.com/NTquotes.aspx

Aleax:
Random thought of the day...

We are often accused of not having scriptural proof of certain UR events happening, for instance anyone leaving the lake of fire. However, if UR was a given for the first Christians, there simply was no need for a such verse since everyone knew all the punished ones would get out, eventually.

Let's imagine that a part of a school class pulls off some illegal stunt, for example smearing the restroom walls with graffiti. Before the last class on Friday the teacher asks the class who were involved. The guilty students come forth and confess. They are given two hours detention. If I were to write a report of what took place, as an outside observer, I might quite possibly conclude with "the ones found not guilty were allowed to leave for the weekend, but the ones found guilty were made to stay for detention. The end." There would not be any need to further state "But after the ones found guilty had done their punishment they were allowed to leave, too. No-one was forced to stay at school until Monday morning. I repeat, ultimately everyone got to go home."

WhiteWings:

--- Quote from: Aleax on October 04, 2011, 11:47:08 PM ---Random thought of the day...

We are often accused of not having scriptural proof of certain UR events happening, for instance anyone leaving the lake of fire. However, if UR was a given for the first Christians, there simply was no need for a such verse since everyone knew all the punished ones would get out, eventually.
--- End quote ---
Not even that because:
a] In my understanding they understood LoF far differently from most of todays Christians.
b] Jesus never taught about LoF to the public. Revelation was written decades after His death. (that means in the whole OT and most NT God "forgot" to mention ET stuff. Wel....)


(but even pre-Jesus Jews believed in UR)

Aleax:
With "first christians" I didn't mean strictly first generation of believers, more like the believers of the first centuries.

I know Jesus didn't teach LoF to the public. It's debatable whether He even taught it at all. Kind of depends on whether you believe "gehenna" was used to denote LoF or whether it was just the garbage dump and nothing else.

How do you think LoF was first understood?

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