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... but FEW are chosen
« on: August 11, 2007, 05:01:25 PM »
So... we have got a brief sentence in a scripture which says that "few are chosen"...

Few means few, and it's clearly written...
How do you cope with that certain passage?

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« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2007, 05:44:25 PM »
Chosen for what, exactly, do you think?   :happy3:

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Re: ... but FEW are chosen
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2007, 06:30:05 PM »
the context shows: chosen for salvation...

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« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2007, 06:59:42 PM »
Matt 20:1 "For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire laborers for his vineyard.
2 Now when he had agreed with the laborers for a denarius a day, he sent them into his vineyard.
3 And he went out about the third hour and saw others standing idle in the marketplace,
4 and said to them, 'You also go into the vineyard, and whatever is right I will give you.' So they went.
5 Again he went out about the sixth and the ninth hour, and did likewise.
6 And about the eleventh hour he went out and found others standing idle, and said to them, 'Why have you been standing here idle all day?'
7 They said to him, 'Because no one hired us.' He said to them, 'You also go into the vineyard, and whatever is right you will receive.'
8 So when evening had come, the owner of the vineyard said to his steward, 'Call the laborers and give them their wages, beginning with the last to the first.'
9 And when those came who were hired about the eleventh hour, they each received a denarius.
10 But when the first came, they supposed that they would receive more; and they likewise received each a denarius.
11 And when they had received it, they complained against the landowner,
12 saying, 'These last men have worked only one hour, and you made them equal to us who have borne the burden and the heat of the day.'
13 But he answered one of them and said, 'Friend, I am doing you no wrong. Did you not agree with me for a denarius?
14 Take what is yours and go your way. I wish to give to this last man the same as to you.
15 Is it not lawful for me to do what I wish with my own things? Or is your eye evil because I am good?'
16 So the last will be first, and the first last. For many are called, but few chosen."
[NKJV]


Young's Literal translates verse one in this manner:

1 `For the reign of the heavens is like to a man, a householder, who went forth with the morning to hire workmen for his vineyard,


So, the men are being chosen to do a job - a job in the Kingdom of Heaven, or "the reign of the heavens".


Matthew 22:1-14

1 And Jesus answered and spoke to them again by parables and said:
2 "The kingdom of heaven is like a certain king who arranged a marriage for his son,
3 and sent out his servants to call those who were invited to the wedding; and they were not willing to come.
4 Again, he sent out other servants, saying, 'Tell those who are invited, "See, I have prepared my dinner; my oxen and fatted cattle are killed, and all things are ready. Come to the wedding." '
5 But they made light of it and went their ways, one to his own farm, another to his business.
6 And the rest seized his servants, treated them spitefully, and killed them.
7 But when the king heard about it, he was furious. And he sent out his armies, destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.
8 Then he said to his servants, 'The wedding is ready, but those who were invited were not worthy.
9 Therefore go into the highways, and as many as you find, invite to the wedding.'
10 So those servants went out into the highways and gathered together all whom they found, both bad and good. And the wedding hall was filled with guests.
11 But when the king came in to see the guests, he saw a man there who did not have on a wedding garment.
12 So he said to him, 'Friend, how did you come in here without a wedding garment?' And he was speechless.
13 Then the king said to the servants, 'Bind him hand and foot, take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'
14 For many are called, but few are chosen."
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verse 2 in YLT:  `The reign of the heavens was likened to a man, a king, who made marriage-feasts for his son,


Jesus is speaking to the Jews here, the Israelite nation which had been called to be a CHOSEN nation, called to be a blessing to all nations, called to reign in the heavens.  They were the first guests to be invited to the Wedding of the Bridegroom, but they wanted nothing to do with it.  And so their place at the wedding was given to others.  Compare this to Romans 9-11 ~ do you see a connection?


Many are called to take part in the "reign of the heavens", the work of the Kingdom of Heaven, but few are actually chosen to do so and will respond to the call.  This is my understanding.

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« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2007, 07:37:08 PM »
In my opinion, the few chosen were those given eyes to see that the blessings to Abraham through Christ was by faith, not by works of the law. 

They receive the inheritance at the return of Christ (resurrection to good, built their house upon the ROCK), and through their reward, the eyes will be opened of the called that they stumbled on the ROCK, and this results in complete destruction of their pride, self righteous, human possiblility, death of human possiblility.  This is second death, which results in LIFE from the dead. 

 

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Re: ... but FEW are chosen
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2007, 08:49:52 PM »
Paul was the one who had the revelation of salvation by faith without works, and yet, he wrote this:

1Co 9:24  Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.
1Co 9:25  And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.
1Co 9:26  I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:
1Co 9:27  But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.


Do we think that Paul was concerned with his salvation being lost by not keeping his body under submission? No, the scriptures speak of the "common salvation" and of the "high calling in Christ".

All will eventually partake in the common salvation of all, but only those who Overcome will partake of the High Calling and participate in the first resurrection and rule and reign with Christ. These are those few who are both called and chosen.

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Re: ... but FEW are chosen
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2007, 09:36:27 PM »
So according to Kratos there will be two kind of salvations but in the end there will be much more saved people than these ruled with Christ...
I don't know whether it's scripturally supported...
Or the other way said: It's too good to be true and it's too good that in the end the saved will be not very few...

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Re: ... but FEW are chosen
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2007, 11:31:51 PM »
So... we have got a brief sentence in a scripture which says that "few are chosen"...

Few means few, and it's clearly written...
How do you cope with that certain passage?

Talking about two types of people. Those who were chosen to see the risen Lord and carry the message, and those who do not see and believe.

The apostles and those abnormally born like Paul who saw Jesus, versus those who the gospel was sent to.
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Re: ... but FEW are chosen
« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2007, 07:21:08 AM »
So according to Kratos there will be two kind of salvations but in the end there will be much more saved people than these ruled with Christ...
I don't know whether it's scripturally supported...
Or the other way said: It's too good to be true and it's too good that in the end the saved will be not very few...

B.T.,

Reread Rev. 2 and 3 and notice that everything that is written is written to the whole church, but those who Overcome are given the promises, including this one:

Rev 3:19  As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
Rev 3:20  Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
Rev 3:21  To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. Rev 3:22  He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.


Everyone reading these letters to the 7 churches were saved, but only those who Overcome will sit with Him on His throne. Does it really make sense for everyone in the Kingdom to be rulers on the throne? Who will they rule over? Being saved does not make you an Overcomer. Being saved makes you called, but Overcoming makes you chosen.

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« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2007, 09:36:28 AM »
I was reading John's message on a break while writing a post for my blog. I was actually writing about the "manifested sons of God and overcomers. I haven't put the final touches on this writing but thought it might add to the discussion as is. This is part of series of messages I am doing on the call today to "worship in spirit and truth."

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THE HOUR COMETH AND NOW IS ~ "The Dispersion of His Sons"


But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. John 4:23,24



And when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and, lo, an horror of great darkness fell upon him. And he said unto Abram, "know of a surety that thy seed shall be sojourners in a land that is not theirs; . . . they shall afflict them four hundred years; . . . and afterward they shall come out with great substance" (Gen. 15:12-14).

I was sharing from this set of scripture in Genesis with regard to the present dispersion of God's sons to the far corners of this world. Let me state that with regard to the "far corners of the world" I don't necessarily speak of geographical or physical scatterings and placements but more so of the spiritual plane of our existence. I believe when we wind up this "Hour Cometh and Now Is" series we will discover like wise that the "worshiping of God in spirit and truth" entails moving into the ethereal realms where our present
physicality counts for little or better said, "nothing."

In the last message I made these two statements (in italics below) and the impetus should be on "God's calling" because without it the words I share have little meaning and may even seem absurd. Without God's calling there can be no hearing but with such there will, I believe, be a witness by the indwelling Holy Spirit that the things we discuss have import. 

"I truly believe if God has called you out of this age as a son ............"

"If God seems to be calling you away from the camp and unto Himself, be encouraged."


I believe there is equity with God and that equity is divinely measured out through the ages and also on both sides of the grave. The biblical concepts of the "last becoming the first" and the "least being the greatest" give great credence to God's equitable plan and purpose where all men, each in his own order, shall find themselves filled with Christ that He be "All in All."

For any that do not understand the doctrine of "sonship" there is a message by George Hawtin (link below) that I read twenty five years ago and it thrilled my soul and beared witness with my spirit that there was more than just accepting Jesus, taking the title of Christian and getting on with life in a moral method that would be acceptable for heaven upon death.  I laugh now because it seems so absurd that those were once my thoughts and the thoughts of most Christians even today. For any that feel in their spirit that there is more to the Christian walk than that which I just described above, I can only hope you would read this most amazing article
entitled "According To The Purpose." I know it will thrill your heart to know something of the wondrous plan of our Father through Christ.

http://www.godfire.net/according.html

I am also aware that there are some that think the "sonship doctrine" promotes a mind set of "elitism". To this I say, that I recognize that there have been many that have perverted this teaching through their own vanity and missed it completely. Like all truths there is also a perversion and a counterfeit that rides aside it. Such is the way God veils and unveils Himself and it takes the Holy Spirit to discern truth from falsity. Allow me to emphasise that Christ walked this earth as a humble servant king and so shall those that follow Him in sonship.

Not to long ago I had a dream that so thrilled my soul as I experienced it. In this dream God's sons were being unveiled and displayed before all creation. Now, for any that aren't familiar with that which I refer to as far as the unveiling, these scriptures from the New Living Translation will hopefully give you some background.

Romans 8:15-24

You should behave instead like God's very own children, adopted into his family calling him "Father, dear Father."  For his Holy Spirit speaks to us deep in our hearts and tells us that we are God's children. And since we are his children, we will share his treasures-for everything God gives to his Son, Christ, is ours, too. But if we are to share his glory, we must also share his suffering.


The Future Glory
Yet what we suffer now is nothing compared to the glory he will give us later. For all creation is waiting eagerly for that future day when God will reveal who his children really are. Against its will, everything on earth was subjected to God's curse. All creation anticipates the day when it will join God's children in glorious freedom from death and decay. For we know that all creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time. And even we Christians, although we have the Holy Spirit within us as a foretaste of future glory, also groan to be released from pain and suffering. We, too, wait anxiously for that day when God will give us our full rights as his children,  including the new bodies he has promised us. Now that we are saved, we eagerly look forward to this freedom.


Also God's son's who are filled with the substance of Christ are written of within the seven addresses to the seven churches of Revelation 2 and 3. These are those out of the church that "overcome."

Now,with this dream, I was experiencing a great celebration as you would when viewing a glorious parade where marching victors are the subject of everyone's attention and acclaim. The excitement I felt in my heart was tremendous as I was about to be part of the unveiling of "God's sons and overcomers," also described in the King James as the "manifested sons of God." When I awoke the feeling of exuberant joy was over whelming but as I tried to recall this dream I was perplexed. You see, I could not remember whether I was a witness to the  manifestation of the God's sons or whether in this dream I was a manifested son.

With this idea, that I could not remember of which group I was part of, God spoke to me that it is His sovereign calling as to which age we shall be overcomers and totally filled with His substance. I don't know all that will transpire in this new dawning age and the ages to come but I do know it is all perfectly and sovereignly appointed as are our callings so that no flesh shall ever glory in His presence or His Kingdom which be Christ! 

they shall afflict them four hundred years; . . . and afterward they shall come out with great substance" Gen. 15:14

God's sons will be afflicted for a time and "afterward they shall come out with great substance" ........... and that great substance is Christ, who rules and enjoys all of His creation. Can you say, Amen!

Jack


"the called"         ...........  30 fold

"the chosen"        ...........  60 fold

"the faithfull"       ........... 100 fold

"Christ All in All"   ........... 190 fold
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Re: ... but FEW are chosen
« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2007, 05:43:38 PM »
Being saved does not make you an Overcomer. Being saved makes you called, but Overcoming makes you chosen.

John,

That's a very succint way to put it.  I'm gonna have to think on that.  Thanks.

Andrew

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« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2007, 08:07:49 PM »
Salvation is a progressive state where Christ is increasingly worked into us. I believe we catch a glimpse of "salvation to the utmost" with these scriptures below.  Amazing that most of Christendom is blind to the high calling ............. heck, it is just plain amazing how God veils and unveils Himself. I stand in wonderment all the time at His ways of grace and unmerited love.

"the high calling"

Phi 3:14 I press on toward the goal unto the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

Just what is this "prize of the high calling". Seems it was more than what was present at the time Paul wrote this. Seems he is looking forward to something greater yet.

Phi 1:6 being confident of this very thing, that he who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Jesus Christ:

Phi 1:10 so that ye may approve the things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and void of offence unto the day of Christ;

Phi 3:12 Not that I have already obtained, or am already made perfect: but I press on, if so be that I may lay hold on that for which also I was laid hold on by Christ Jesus.

Phi 3:20 For our citizenship is in heaven; whence also we wait for a Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:

Phi 3:21 who shall fashion anew the body of our humiliation, that it may be conformed to the body of his glory, according to the working whereby he is able even to subject all things unto himself.


blessings,

Jack
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Re: ... but FEW are chosen
« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2007, 04:44:40 AM »
Jack,

Good to hear from you, Brother, you have been missed.

This truth of the high calling sustains me through this time of separation outside the gate. My wife is having a harder time during this time both missing fellowship and feeling disobedient for forsaking the gathering with others. The difference seems to be that she hopes that UR and the first resurrection of the Overcomers is true, but I believe that it is. Hope only does so much to sustain us, but faith adds spiritual substance to what we hope for.

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« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2007, 06:02:47 AM »
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My wife is having a harder time during this time both missing fellowship and feeling disobedient for forsaking the gathering with others.

Hi brother, that has to be so incredibly tough on both of you.

I pray the Lord make this newness of Life real to your wife and encourage her. Who would have ever thought this would be His path for us. His ways are just amazing aren't they.

Jack

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Re: ... but FEW are chosen
« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2007, 08:51:59 AM »
1 John 5:4
For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.





"overcometh"

G3528

nikaō
nik-ah'-o
From G3529; to subdue (literally or figuratively): - conquer, overcome, prevail, get the victory.



G3529

nikē
nee'-kay
Apparently a primary word; conquest (abstractly), that is, (figuratively) the means of success: - victory.



Kratos, I would like to continue talking about this subject.  What is an 'overcomer'?  What does it mean to overcome?


I'd like to take it one piece at a time, instead of biting off a whole huge chunk of meat.  We see here that overcoming means success, conquest, victory, and that it has to do with Spirit and with our faith.


We see, also, that  the thing to be subdued, to have victory over,  is 'the world.'

So right off the bat, we see what looks like a battle involving faith versus 'the world,' that is, faith versus what we can see with our senses.  In fact, the great 'overcomers' of the Old Testament were often great warriors, such as Caleb and Joshua:



Numbers 13:30
And Caleb stilled the people before Moses, and said, Let us go up at once, and possess it; for we are well able to overcome it.


These are those Old Testament saints who believed God and trusted him, and, thus, were able to enter and conquer the promised land.


Many were called to enter the promised land, but few were chosen.  And, yet, in some sense, they seem to be self selected.  We see the LORD finally getting fed up with those who lack the courage and faith to take him at his word, and telling them that they will never enter into his rest.  Thus, they die in the wilderness, after wandering in circles for a generation.




1 Corinthians 15:57
But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.


We have been given this victory in Jesus already, yet not all will be overcomers.  Why?  Is there something we must do as our part?

Why do most die in the wilderness?

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« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2007, 09:39:12 AM »
The "many are called, few are chosen" passage in Jesus' comments was specifically about those to whom He was speaking.  Few Jews embraced His Lordship in that day, although through the Apostolic preaching "many were called."  However, we're told in Romans 11 that though this is the sad state of affairs in this age, it will not always be that way.  They're going to look upon Him Whom they've pierced and they're going to cry like the loudest squalling baby you've ever heard.  Every eye shall see Him, according to Revelation, even those who did Him dirty in His first coming.  That's not a justification for preterism, but about being granted "sight."  Jesus is the Light Who gives light to every man who comes into the world.

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« Reply #16 on: August 13, 2007, 09:44:18 AM »
Molly,

Good to hear from you again. I think that you hit the nail on the head when you quoted I John that we overcome by our faith. Here the writer of Hebrews spells it out plainly:

Heb 4:1  Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
Heb 4:2  For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.


The same gospel preached to two different kinds of people and God says that the difference is whether the one hearing the gospel mixes faith with what they heard. This is so plain that you would have to have help to misunderstand it. Unfortunately, there is a lot of help out there trying to confuse this issue.

Jesus once shared the parable of the sower and said that if you understand this parable, you will be able to understand all parables. Again, same seed preached to all, but a different response to that Word that was sown depending upon the person or the kind of ground that they were. The truth is that every one of us waver between being good ground and mixing faith with what we hear from the Lord to being bad ground and letting the seed be devoured or fall on stoney ground etc. It is not about good people and bad people or about those predestinated to be good ground and those predestinated to be bad ground. It is about where we are at any given time and a Father who will not give up on one of us, but is longsuffering and willing to wait patiently for all of the fruit of the earth.

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« Reply #17 on: August 13, 2007, 04:23:19 PM »
Ah, the "few chosen."  And the poor "many."

If we consider that Jesus spoke to the demonic in mankind and separated same from within mankind on nearly every page of the N.T. why is it that Jesus' Words in these matters are almost NEVER viewed as ADDRESSING THEM?

Martin mentioned preterism, and preterists do employ certain methodologies in the attempt to understand some of the more difficult passages of scripture, this "few chosen" being one.  Full preterists for example say that The Lord was seen by those same people in 70 A.D. at the destruction of Jerusalem (or any other variant of "return") in order for that passage to have been fulfilled.

Consider that those who did actually "pierce" him did NOT know what they did.  Jesus forgave those individual people.  But consider also that those people, just like US also had sin indwelling their flesh, which to me is clearly identified as an entirely DIFFERENT ENTITY, the identities of the devil and his messengers who were DIVIDED in the flesh by Jesus

It was THOSE who were among the MANY that are called.  It is THOSE SAME who will still be here when Christ DOES return.

How "many" of them are there in this present world?  I cannot say, but if a single man of Gadarenes could contain a LEGION in his own flesh, imagine how "many" there could potentially be.  And since "their father, the devil" has children, they would appear to MULTIPLY.  Anyone who has farmed, has a garden, or a lawn knows how fast "weeds" spread.  And judging by the current affairs of the "world" their numbers would appear to me to have grown IMMENSELY.

We cannot take what Jesus said about many matters simply to man and man ALONE.  This is not a good methodology, but one that is "commonly" applied.

Mankind will LIVE by EVERY WORD of God.  But every WORD of God was not directed just to MANKIND.

If we see and understand in that way, we will understand also "the generation" which has STILL NOT YET passed away.  Get it yet?

Since we are advised from scriptures that we cannot "count sins" against our fellow man, just where do you intend to GO with those Words of judgment?  Well, you have been provided proof that there are things that cause sin in the flesh, and it is NOT your fellow man, God offspring.  Gods offspring remain enslaved as it pertains to the flesh.  None are yet immune to that working.

Love will divide in this way, and find LIFE and UNDERSTANDING in EVERY Word.  And one side of that same Word is NOT going to be understanding or even forgiving to any of the workings of the anti-Christ spirits IN mankind.

When Jesus spoke to the 7 churches of Revelation, listen to what the Spirit says about "satan" and "jezebel" etc, and you who have ears will hear far better of what those "judgment and damnation" scriptures are saying, and to WHOM.

enjoy!

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« Reply #18 on: August 13, 2007, 06:38:08 PM »
1Co 15:25  For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet.

2Ti 2:12  If we endure, we will also reign with Him; If we deny Him, He also will deny us;

Rev 5:10  "You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God; and they will reign upon the earth."

Rev 11:17  saying, "We give You thanks, O Lord God, the Almighty, who are and who were, because You have taken Your great power and have begun to reign.

Rev 11:15 And the seventh messenger trumpets. And loud voices occurred in heaven, saying, "The kingdom of this world became our Lord's and His Christ's, and He shall be reigning for the eons of the eons! Amen!"

Rev 20:6  Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.



1Co 15:24  then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power.

Could it be that the few get to reign with Him for the 1000 years or the eons of the eons, until the end comes?  When all rule and authority and power has been abolished?

1Co 15:28 Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all.)"

Could this be when the many are brought back into the picture? Remember all rule and
authority has been abolished.  Will the few rule no more? Is this what these verses are saying, or am I reading into them to much?


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« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2007, 02:54:52 PM »



Nevermind that other post, about the problems, NOW it works! I just hit back up pages til I found this thread again, and walla! Guess you have to speak first! ha

Ole well, as Halal says. 

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Now Pierac, concerning "putting down all rule and all authority" I wonder if you ever considered
what happened to Nebuchazzenezzar ......can't spell.......he was "given" some authority, but
by the time he got all them feathers and claws, his pore ole pride was gone over it. ha  He learned
a thing or two, that God giveth it to whomsoever He will and that there are NONE that can question
that GREAT ETERNAL authority!  One thing about it, it is not HIS Eternal authority that will ever be
"put down."  Might be one he has allowed for a season, tho.

May as well laugh as cry!

Well that's one I guess we can "laugh" about, Neb's ...........but you know, Esther too had some
POWER and authority, to "put down" and I think by the time her ordeal was over, she and Mordecai
were even allowed to "re write" that judgement that Hamon had got the king to write, poor ole Hamon
wanted everybody destroyed cause they didn't bow down to him.  Sure a believer in punishment,
wasn't he? ha It was probably a crying matter til the end for Esther. Neb probably got a few tears
all mixed up with his feathers, too.




julzabro2

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Re: ... but FEW are chosen
« Reply #20 on: August 14, 2007, 11:37:37 PM »
I, kind of, agree with Squint here...or shall I say I was thinking along the same lines.

Before you're "born again" you are 2...you are both good and bad. MANY are called.

Satan comes as a legion...

but Jesus comes to divide...

So AFTER you "put off the old man/flesh/sin" and are reborn...the 2 become One. Few are choosen.

Everyone is called...good AND bad but since every 2 becomes only 1...few will be choosen.

Hennessey

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Re: ... but FEW are chosen
« Reply #21 on: August 15, 2007, 06:59:45 PM »
There is "good and evil" and then there is "GOOD"

there is only one "GOOD"

the carnal man dwells in duality caught between "good and evil." He is like the unruly sea tossed to and fro.


"Even's God's worst evil is good, while man's best good is evil"

Jack



julzabro2

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Re: ... but FEW are chosen
« Reply #22 on: August 15, 2007, 07:02:36 PM »
like satan who was bound to walk to and fro on the earth.

Hennessey

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Re: ... but FEW are chosen
« Reply #23 on: August 15, 2007, 07:04:22 PM »
like satan who was bound to walk to and fro on the earth.

no argument here sis  :bigGrin: