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Re: Grab Bag - Various Christian/UR Musings
« Reply #25 on: August 25, 2012, 08:14:02 AM »
Online is a very big place.... :-)
Care to share?

1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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« Reply #26 on: August 25, 2012, 08:52:06 AM »

I remembered that WW had some info re: people and places of the Bible (I want to gather more info about Jeremiah) in the Grab Bag thread... but I had to go through all the posts to find it.  Currently, that's not a big deal--there are only 23 replies, WW's reply #22... but when there are 365 replies???? 

 

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« Reply #27 on: August 25, 2012, 08:54:21 AM »
Likely those post are part of the missing 6 months due to the forum crash.
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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« Reply #28 on: August 25, 2012, 08:55:23 AM »
I don't know Wings, don't have a link right now.  I can google it, but you're the google-master :).

Do you know the Jeremiah posts GR's talking about?
Neither should there be vulgar speech, foolish talk, or coarse jesting--all of which are out of character--but rather thanksgiving.  Eph. 5:4  **  Saved 1John 3.2, Eph. 2:8, John 1:12 - Being saved 2Cor. 4:16 2Peter 3:18 - Will be saved 1Peter 1:5 Romans 8:23

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« Reply #29 on: August 25, 2012, 08:55:41 AM »
Likely those post are part of the missing 6 months due to the forum crash.

hmmmm
Neither should there be vulgar speech, foolish talk, or coarse jesting--all of which are out of character--but rather thanksgiving.  Eph. 5:4  **  Saved 1John 3.2, Eph. 2:8, John 1:12 - Being saved 2Cor. 4:16 2Peter 3:18 - Will be saved 1Peter 1:5 Romans 8:23

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Neither should there be vulgar speech, foolish talk, or coarse jesting--all of which are out of character--but rather thanksgiving.  Eph. 5:4  **  Saved 1John 3.2, Eph. 2:8, John 1:12 - Being saved 2Cor. 4:16 2Peter 3:18 - Will be saved 1Peter 1:5 Romans 8:23

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Neither should there be vulgar speech, foolish talk, or coarse jesting--all of which are out of character--but rather thanksgiving.  Eph. 5:4  **  Saved 1John 3.2, Eph. 2:8, John 1:12 - Being saved 2Cor. 4:16 2Peter 3:18 - Will be saved 1Peter 1:5 Romans 8:23

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Re: Grab Bag - Various Christian/UR Musings
« Reply #32 on: August 25, 2012, 09:05:39 AM »
I don't know Wings, don't have a link right now.  I can google it, but you're the google-master :).

Do you know the Jeremiah posts GR's talking about?
Unfortunately not.
I can google a bit but likely it will be purely accidental if I find the same articles.

Do you remember anything about the articles GR?
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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« Reply #33 on: August 25, 2012, 09:11:21 AM »
I don't know Wings, don't have a link right now.  I can google it, but you're the google-master :).

Do you know the Jeremiah posts GR's talking about?


Reply #22 gave me the url I was looking for.  My concern has to do with the number of replies I would need to go through to find what I'm searching for...

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Re: Grab Bag - Various Christian/UR Musings
« Reply #34 on: August 25, 2012, 09:15:23 AM »
so sorry guys... I inadvertantly send you on a wild goose chase.  I am truly sorry. 

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« Reply #35 on: August 25, 2012, 09:39:11 AM »
no problem...lots of information floatin' around to sort through, for sure   :mshock:
Neither should there be vulgar speech, foolish talk, or coarse jesting--all of which are out of character--but rather thanksgiving.  Eph. 5:4  **  Saved 1John 3.2, Eph. 2:8, John 1:12 - Being saved 2Cor. 4:16 2Peter 3:18 - Will be saved 1Peter 1:5 Romans 8:23

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Re: Grab Bag - Various Christian/UR Musings
« Reply #36 on: September 01, 2012, 07:18:26 PM »
(Neh 13:1) On that day they read in the book of Moses in the audience of the people, and in it was found written that an Ammonite and a Moabite should not enter into the assembly of God forever/olam,

(Deut 23:3) An Ammonite or a Moabite shall not enter into the assembly of LORD, even to the tenth generation none belonging to them shall enter into the assembly of LORD forever,
(Deut 23:4) because they met you not with bread and with water on the way, when ye came forth out of Egypt, and because they hired against thee Balaam the son of Beor from Pethor of Mesopotamia, to curse thee.
(Deut 23:5) Nevertheless LORD thy God would not hearken to Balaam, but LORD thy God turned the curse into a blessing to thee, because LORD thy God loved thee.
(Deut 23:6) Thou shall not seek their peace nor their prosperity all thy days forever.


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1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Grab Bag - Various Christian/UR Musings
« Reply #37 on: September 01, 2012, 09:26:57 PM »
Jesus; Rabbi or Sage?

The term "rabbi" is derived from the Hebrew word rav, which in biblical Hebrew meant "much, many, numerous, great." It also was sometimes used to refer to high government officials or army officers (e.g., Jer 39:3, 13). In Jesus' day, rav was used to refer to the master of a slave or of a disciple. Therefore rabbi literally meant "my master" and was a term of respect used by slaves in addressing their owners and by disciples in addressing their teachers. It was only after A.D. 70 that "rabbi" became a formal title for a teacher1 and thus cannot technically be applied to Jesus. A learned teacher of this time period is commonly referred to as a "sage," so that term is a very appropriate way to refer to Jesus. Nonetheless, the designation "rabbi" may still be more helpful than any other in conveying a correct image of Jesus to the average Christian reader, if it suggests that Jesus was recognized among the Jews of his day as a teacher of Scripture, and that he was famous enough to draw students to himself. A Typical First-Century Jewish Rabbi From the gospel accounts, Jesus clearly appears as a typical first-century sage, or Jewish teacher. He traveled from place to place; he depended upon the hospitality of the people; he taught outdoors, in homes, in villages, in synagogues and in the Temple; he had disciples who followed him as he traveled. This is the very image of a Jewish teacher in the land of Israel at that time. Perhaps the most convincing proof that Jesus was a sage was his style of teaching, because he used the same methods of Scripture interpretation and instruction as other Jewish teachers of his day. A simple example of this is Jesus' use of parables to convey his teachings. Parables such as Jesus used were extremely prevalent among ancient Jewish sages, and over 4,000 of them have survived in rabbinic literature. Jewish teachers of first-century Israel lacked the sophisticated methods of mass communication we have today. Consequently the rabbis of Jesus' day spent much of their time traveling throughout the country, much like the ancient prophets, to communicate their teachings and interpretations of Scripture. An itinerant rabbi was the norm rather than exception. Hundreds and perhaps thousands of such rabbis circulated in the land of Israel in the first century. These rabbis did not hesitate to travel to the smallest of villages or the most remote parts of the country. In some instances they would conduct their classes in someone's home, but often classes would be held in the village square or under a tree. Jesus' ministry also followed this custom. Much of Jesus' teaching was done indoors: in homes (Lk 10:38–42), synagogues (Mt 4:23), even in the Temple (Mt 21:23; Lk 21:37). But we also find Jesus, like a typical first-century rabbi, teaching outside in impromptu situations. A picturesque account of Jesus teaching from a boat is found in Luke 5. The feeding of the five thousand occurred in "a lonely place" (Mt 14:13; Mk 6:32; Lk 9:12), and the Sermon on the Mount was so named because it was delivered in a rural location. From the Gospels we learn that Jesus likewise moved from place to place a great deal, often accompanied by crowds. Mark 6:6, for example, records that Jesus "went around from village to village teaching." He traveled considerably in Galilee, especially in the vicinity of the Sea of Galilee, and likely in Judea as well.2
A rabbi's stay in a community might last from a few days to weeks or months. Although rabbis would not accept payment for teaching Torah, most would accept lodging, and usually food as well, for themselves and their students. Jesus clearly felt that his disciples should be entirely supported by their hosts when out teaching. In one instance, he sent out disciples commanding them to take nothing with them, neither food nor money (Lk 10:4). Covered in the Dust of the Rabbi A saying from approximately one hundred years before Jesus supports this picture of the rabbi in the land of Israel, and is remarkably descriptive of the ministry of Jesus: Let your home be a meeting-house for the sages, and cover yourself with the dust of their feet, and drink in their words thirstily.5 In the context of this statement, "a meeting-house for the sages" should be understood to mean a place where the rabbis could hold classes, not a place where they themselves could assemble. Had people not opened their homes to the rabbis, it would have been impossible for them to reach the masses with their message.
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Grab Bag - Various Christian/UR Musings
« Reply #38 on: September 10, 2012, 11:12:59 PM »
(Gen 6:3) And LORD said, My spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he also is flesh. Yet shall his days be a hundred and twenty years.

120 years = 120 jubilee years.
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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« Reply #39 on: September 10, 2012, 11:38:34 PM »
Here is a snippet from the home page of stonekingdom.org which caught my eye:

Southern Baptists re-affirm belief in hell fire

Mega-church Pastor Rob Bell's recent book, Love Wins, was the catalyst for the Baptist declaration made this past Tuesday, June 14th, that hell is an "an eternal, conscious punishment" for those who do not accept Jesus.

Bell clearly supports universal reconciliation; i.e., the teaching that God will ultimately save every one. The story is here on the far Leftist Huffington Post, where, not surprisingly, they take great delight—especially in the responses section—in skewering the Baptists.

One Roman Catholic respondent even suggested the necessity of reinstituting the Inquisition to bring everyone back to the Roman church! God forbid! And here I thought we lived in an enlightened age (sarcasm.)

We have taught of Rome's sordid historical record in some of our recent lectures. In them, we have identified the papacy as the extension of the prophet Daniel's fourth beast empire. (They are not yet available here on the website, but you can order them by downloading the printable order form [click on the "Shopping" tab and click on the bottom of the drop down list] and find them at the top of page 3 of the order form.)

We are delighted to see Rob Bell's book "rocking" the church to its (supposed) foundations. I say "supposed" because the truth is that the doctrine of eternal torment is not a foundation of the church Jesus ordained, nor was that hideous doctrine even orthodoxy for the first several hundred years of the Christian church.

Rather, universal reconciliation was widely taught and for good reason; it is the actual truth of the Bible. We have taught the whole story from A to Z in our series of Bible lectures entitled God's Plan for Man. You can find a list of the 38 clickable lecture titles in the series here.

Through the course of the study, we dispel the awful doctrine of eternal torment in hell, as well as the nearly equally odious doctrine of eternal extinction. We then provide a reasoned and biblical theology of how and why God is eventually going to save everyone — hallelujah! That is true Christianity!

I have published part of the lecture series in book form under the title Sacred Secrets of the Sovereignty of God. We will publish the sequels as time permits.

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Socrates taught Plato.  Plato taught Aristotle.  Aristotle tutored the son of Philip of Macedon.  This boy grew up to become Alexander the Great, largely by slaughtering a lot of people.  That's philosophy.

Jesus spoke the Truth.  He blessed the poor.  He healed the sick.  He even raised the dead.  He died on a cross for us, lived again, and came back long enough to tell us to love one another.  That's religion.

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Re: Grab Bag - Various Christian/UR Musings
« Reply #40 on: September 23, 2012, 03:23:02 PM »
Free will versus ownership

Many disagree about whether or not man has a free will. This 26-page booklet shows from the Scriptures that free will is not the fundamental issue, but rather the fact that the Creator owns all things and is responsible for all that He owns. There are very interesting legal implications in this.
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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« Reply #41 on: September 23, 2012, 04:51:57 PM »
Good find, WW!   :iagree: Stephen E. Jones is one of my favorite Christian writers, and he has a knack of going directly to the  :HeartThrob: of the matter.  In this matter, I think we can say:  case closed.
Socrates taught Plato.  Plato taught Aristotle.  Aristotle tutored the son of Philip of Macedon.  This boy grew up to become Alexander the Great, largely by slaughtering a lot of people.  That's philosophy.

Jesus spoke the Truth.  He blessed the poor.  He healed the sick.  He even raised the dead.  He died on a cross for us, lived again, and came back long enough to tell us to love one another.  That's religion.

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« Reply #42 on: September 23, 2012, 05:16:14 PM »
Pit closed LS :winkgrin:

People read it. It's a very uncommon yet Scriptual approach  :Peace2:
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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« Reply #43 on: September 23, 2012, 11:36:56 PM »
"First rule in Hebrew study—Hebrews think in concrete and
Greeks think in abstracts. Concrete thinkers think in relation to things
that can be seen, touched, smelled, heard, or tasted. Some examples of
this are trees, singing, smell of baking, etc. Abstract thoughts are such
things as belief, faith, grace, etc. These cannot be sensed by the five
senses. The word everlasting (the modern translation of the Hebrew
word 'olam') is an abstract word. The Hebrew meaning of olam is
something like 'behind the horizon.' It is something that is beyond
what you can see (or understand) at the moment but may be revealed
as you travel closer (or at a later time). The abstract idea of
'everlasting' would have been a foreign concept to the ancient
Hebrews."
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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« Reply #44 on: September 24, 2012, 05:43:56 AM »
That reminds me of this:

Greek thinking:  I think I am.

Hebrew thinking:  I am.

I heard that years ago.
Socrates taught Plato.  Plato taught Aristotle.  Aristotle tutored the son of Philip of Macedon.  This boy grew up to become Alexander the Great, largely by slaughtering a lot of people.  That's philosophy.

Jesus spoke the Truth.  He blessed the poor.  He healed the sick.  He even raised the dead.  He died on a cross for us, lived again, and came back long enough to tell us to love one another.  That's religion.

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« Reply #45 on: September 24, 2012, 10:21:15 AM »
That reminds me of this:

Greek thinking:  I think I am.

Hebrew thinking:  I am.

I heard that years ago.

Interpretation

I think I am = I might be maybe= I sorta kinda wished I was= What was I thinking?  :laugh:
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« Reply #46 on: September 24, 2012, 10:27:33 PM »
That reminds me of this:

Greek thinking:  I think I am.

Hebrew thinking:  I am.

I heard that years ago.

Interpretation

I think I am = I might be maybe= I sorta kinda wished I was= What was I thinking?  :laugh:

Good one!  :LH: :LH: :LH: :LH: :LH: :LH: :LH:
Socrates taught Plato.  Plato taught Aristotle.  Aristotle tutored the son of Philip of Macedon.  This boy grew up to become Alexander the Great, largely by slaughtering a lot of people.  That's philosophy.

Jesus spoke the Truth.  He blessed the poor.  He healed the sick.  He even raised the dead.  He died on a cross for us, lived again, and came back long enough to tell us to love one another.  That's religion.

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« Reply #47 on: September 30, 2012, 06:03:57 PM »
I think, therefore I is.
-high school student trying to quote Descartes
"Why do so many people think that the Bible is only inspired at certain points -  and that  THEY are inspired to pick out which points?"

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« Reply #48 on: September 30, 2012, 08:15:29 PM »
Then there's the www forum version:

I post, therefore I am.
Socrates taught Plato.  Plato taught Aristotle.  Aristotle tutored the son of Philip of Macedon.  This boy grew up to become Alexander the Great, largely by slaughtering a lot of people.  That's philosophy.

Jesus spoke the Truth.  He blessed the poor.  He healed the sick.  He even raised the dead.  He died on a cross for us, lived again, and came back long enough to tell us to love one another.  That's religion.

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« Reply #49 on: October 01, 2012, 09:12:20 AM »
Then there's the www forum version:

I post, therefore I am.

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